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[DeckardWasAReplicant]

Playing on gold you do not care about kills or points. You are just glad you made it to wave 11. Vangaurds can work quite well as a distraction on gold. Not to sound harsh but it is a good tactic if you have a vangaurd who knows what he/she is doing.

[Clayless]

clonedoriginzero wrote...

typical experience with vanguards from games ive played with them.

1.) "ok guys, i'm the vanguard just back me up and ill kill everything cus im awesome"

2.) "guys, i'm down come revive me. oh come on, dont worry about the hordes of enemies surrounding my body and the fact im halfway across the map"

3.) "hmm, they're not coming to get me, i guess i gotta burn my medi-gel, thanks for nothing noobs!"

4.) "darn, guys im down again why aren't you reviving me? i see that you're sticking together and using superior teamwork and everything, but why leave me out?"

5.) "ok. now im dead, gotta watch the rest of the round. damn noobs!"

6.) "awesome, back in action, i'll show these jerks how to play!"

7.) " damn im down again!"

8.) "god why dont these guys work as a team, they need to rush across the entire map, ignoring all the enemies and revive me, im the vanguard. come on!"

9.) rage quit.

This is spot on. Seen this happen so much.

[humes spork]

GreyWarden36 wrote...

I find it funny when a vanguard tries to steal my kill only to end up helping me tech burst with my turian sentinel

Isn't it great? I had a human vanguard player absolutely raging at me earlier for that when I was playing my turian sentinel. I finally told him okay, I'd leave him alone and not twenty seconds later he was eating dirt begging me to revive him. That's what he gets for charging blindly into a room full of stalkers and a prime.

The funny thing was, who was getting the kills aside we were tearing it up. Wasn't a thing on the map could touch us when I was supporting him, and one of our two scores alone was higher than the other two players combined.

[Kittstalkur]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Gr4ntus wrote...

I like this thread. It makes me warm and fuzzy inside.

No joke I just made this out of pure frustration and it seems to boil down to Inf Vs Vans.

Two completely opposite classes have issues when it comes to their playstyles meshing.

Whodathunkit?

[AmayaChan]

Doesn't bother me, if they wanna carry, let em. If they are annoying you and they go down, let them die. This goes for any class/player that wants to be the "hero" of the room... besides, I'm usually playing with friends and we LET the morons die.

[QcumberR]

personally, I always find it funny when some vanguard shows up and charges everything

I'm usually lobby leader so if we're playing on bronze for the lulz, I switch it up to silver and let them kill themselves a few times

usually by wave 8-9 they've settled down a bit and learned not to charge the banshees

if they haven't, we make sure to die on wave 10

[Kittstalkur]

QcumberR wrote...

personally, I always find it funny when some vanguard shows up and charges everything

I'm usually lobby leader so if we're playing on bronze for the lulz, I switch it up to silver and let them kill themselves a few times

usually by wave 8-9 they've settled down a bit and learned not to charge the banshees

if they haven't, we make sure to die on wave 10

I MUST DEFEAT THE REAPERS
no vanguard you are the reapers
and then vanguard got tenderly caressed by a banshee

[Dr. Cheezburg]

I would like to just clear a few things up. I am a Vanguard.

This doesn't mean I expect anyone to conform to me. In fact, I try my best to conform to other players, by charging targets in order to detonate biotic bombs or tech explosions.

It doesn't mean I demand everyone to risk their life reviving me. If I die, 93% of the time it's my own fault.

It's not always the Vanguards who are not at the extraction. More often it's just an inexperienced player. Instead of hating them, you should (kindly) tell them to get back to the extraction. Simple as that.

I always play for the objective first, whether it be killing the targets or hacking. If someone is already hacking a node, I defend them or go out on crowd control.

As for the camera shaking and constant yelling, I'm sorry. But charging is how we Vanguards stay alive. After all, it's our strong point.

Vanguards are the first ones into battle and take a lot of heat. Helping them out can ensure a quick victory. Because when your on the higher levels on the higher difficulties, every enemy that dies is a success. There's no time to squabble about who got the most kills.

Vanguards are also very good at distracting enemies. Take advantage of this.

I realize I may be in a minority, but please know that not every Vanguard is an evil, vain, narcissistic kill thief. A few bad Vanguards don't represent all of Vanguards everywhere.

[T1l]

Khavos wrote...

T1l wrote...

People complaining about Vanguards spamming charge/nova need to step up. You can't abuse that on higher difficulty levels at all, and honestly, it becomes very apparent that Vanguards suck the big one when you're trying to play Silver/Gold.

Somebody needs to learn how to either build or play a Vanguard. 

I've played a Vanguard since Mass Effect 1, and granted they've completely reworked the class, but it's still the class I've sunk the most time in to. All I'm saying is that on Gold runs and the higher Silver waves it becomes really apparent were the Vanguard class falls down. Saying, "Oh, but I'm a Human Vanguard and all I do is Charge, Nova, Charge, Nova, Charge, Nova, Charge, Nova, Charge, Nova, Charge, Nova, Charge, Nova, Charge, Nova" is all well and good, but on the higher difficulties that routine puts you in a world of hurt.

I agree. Vanguards are great...

...for mopping up Bronze maps. Vanguards aren't team players.

Kittstalkur wrote...

I MUST DEFEAT THE REAPERS
no vanguard you are the reapers
and then vanguard got tenderly caressed by a banshee

Laughed harder than I should have.

Modifié par T1l, 13 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[magnuskn]

clonedoriginzero wrote...

ive NEVER, not ONCE, seen a vanguard help hack one of the 4 nodes, or stay in the upload area. and they are NEVER in the extraction zone.

they're not teamplayers, thats the problem. all the other classes can stick together and work great as a team, but the vanguard is always on the other side of the map getting himself killed and not helpign with objectives.

I play Vanguard 90% of the time and I always try to stay in the upload zone. About 50% of the time it's me being the only guy who runs to one of the four nodes when that kind of objective is up, while the rest of the group is rather mindlessly killing the non-stop spawning enemies.

I am always in the pick-up zone in wave 11, and I get annoyed when people fight on the farther away area surrounding it, because normally that means that some idiot doesn't care to look at the timer and isn't there for extraction.

Please stop with your generalizations. I can tell you lots of stories about bad players of other classes all day long.

[magnuskn]

grayrest wrote...
Instagibs aside, my most common cause of death is charge not going off. Sometimes it just doesn't go. There's no cover, it's off cooldown, but you're sitting there hitting the key and it beeps rather than charging.

This. :-/ The class is fantastic fun, but most times I get killed nowadays, it is because of lag or because Charge simply doesn't work for a certain path.

[Hanabii]

As you can see by my Avatar and I'm a Vanguard. I am tacked with a bad rap because of selfish players.

I team play, in the early rounds I rush to kill all I can. But I stay near enough to my team to get anyone who falls onto their feet. When I reach round 3 I stick close to a buddy at all times, charging and trying to flank people who are attacking them with superior positioning.

When an Upload happens I am in the Upload Area, not with my Shotgun out, but my trusty dusty Carnifex and Lvl 5 Pistol Scope sitting with my buddies to snipe the living Shayot out of bad guys. I only break zone if we are being flanked or I need a better position for my missile launcher.

When the Extraction time comes I'm usually at the Extraction point, I then wander away from it a little range so all the mobs don't home in on my team, but I ALWAYS make it back into the extraction point on time.

I don't use my Medigel often and when I do it's usually to save another team mate near me who's also fallen. In fact I have a surplus.

I use my missiles and help my team, but only if the round is going well and the team has a good chance of surviving the later rounds.

When people are on voice chat, I chat back and Coordinate.

I am a Vanguard, and I like to work with teams better then alone.

[QcumberR]

@Dr. Cheezburg's post (since the quote button is being temperamental)

let me make it abundantly clear that I have absolutely no issue with vanguards who actually know what they're doing. the vanguard is the most mobile class and as such it can easily cross the map for revives, quickly take out high priority targets and so on. the issue here is that on bronze, it's far too easy to simply chaerg around with a shotgun + nova and kill everything in sight--and then, when these people take their vanguards into silver and gold, they simply get themselves killed and get their teammates into trouble trying to revive them.

[Forsythia]

Too bad good vanguard players get a bad name because of all the crappy ones.

Advice to all the crappy vanguards: you're not Superman. Don't keep on going on the other side of the map because you're 'awesome', you'll die and with it get the rest of the team killed.

Modifié par Forsythia, 13 mars 2012 - 09:24 .

[Zaxares]

I like to think that I'm a "good Vanguard". I stick with my teammates, use my Charge against foes that aren't already being attacked, and only Charge+Nova targets that are too good to pass up, like three or more enemies bunched closely together (and that I KNOW I can take out using a single Nova. One big mistake I see a lot of Vanguards make is using Charge+Nova on enemies that will still be alive after the Nova, who then promptly gun down the now vulnerable Vanguard). After I unleash a combo, I then run back into cover or back to my teammates, depending on the situation.

Charge+Nova is undeniably awesome, but in truth, the Vanguard's primary advantage (and the benefit they bring to their team) is their mobility. Charge can get you into the rear ranks of enemies and thus open up flanking opportunities for the rest of your teammates. It's especially helpful with moving quickly from point to point on rounds where you need to hack multiple data points.

Also, don't Charge Brutes or Banshees (unless you're desperate). They seem surprisingly good at pulling off their one-hit kills on you before you even have a chance to roll/run away.

[frozngecko]

I don't mind them...they like me when I overload enemy shields before they charge and when I pick their sorry butts up when they fall. They hate me when I snipe and kill their targets before they get there...and I suck at sniping.

Modifié par frozngecko, 13 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[NaastyNZL]

I seriously love having Vanguards on our team, especially the ones who do all the work for us. I really don't understand where all this hate is coming from aye. I mean if they're blocking your shots, 'kill stealing', charging/nova'ing everything on sight, pretty much not allowing you to do anything...

What they're trying to say is 'Ohey! Why don't you take a break, I've got this covered.' It'll be 'selfish' of you to refuse an offer like that and work together as a team. So why don't you just sit there and collect all the free credits/xp for not playing the game!

Modifié par NaastyNZL, 13 mars 2012 - 11:12 .

[Twisted Mind]

If you play gold challenge you have to play smart with vanguard. When you rush in enemy group, you have to rely on teammates with snipers to clear the enemies you didn't. Otherwise you get killed.
Vanguards are close range combat class. That is why they are vulnerable without support. They are exposed while fighting.
I, personaly, have nothing against vanguard getting a lot of kills as long as they are keeping away the phantoms. I have their back and they have mine.

[Adragalus]

clonedoriginzero wrote...

AveryChim wrote...

I only hate when they're nearby and all the camera shaking makes it hard to aim...

Otherwise they're great! I just pick off the ones he's not targeting. There are more then enough enemies to go around...

its really nto about them killing more than me, i do just fine. usually #1 or #2 in score with my sentinel. its that they make things harder for the team.

they go down alot, like ALOT. requiring people to go way further than they should have to in order to revive them. usually its not worth it to revive a vanguard, too risky.

ive NEVER, not ONCE, seen a vanguard help hack one of the 4 nodes, or stay in the upload area. and they are NEVER in the extraction zone.

they're not teamplayers, thats the problem. all the other classes can stick together and work great as a team, but the vanguard is always on the other side of the map getting himself killed and not helpign with objectives.

Honestly, I think one of the best combos I played with was a Vanguard (me), a Salarian and Quarian Infiltrator, and an Engineer. The trick with Vanguard is to stay on your toes, and Charge towards your teammates or ensure that they have LOS

Personally, Vanguard and Infiltrator are my two most-played classes, and I very much enjoy teamwork on each.

And I always make extraction:police: Find a good Vanguard, just like an good player of any class, and find they're almost indespensible. 

[Gnarlesee]

Why are you so mad? The score is distributed to the whole team in the end really, be happy that you have good vanguards on your team. They are the frontline all-purpose fighters, dont hate a good vanguard.

Bad ones however.....

[Para Pett]

I play as a vanguard, I always hack nodes if someone else doesn't, I always stay in the control point (well, as long as we don't get over run) I also always stay in the extraction zone. I'm a team player and help out where I can.

Yes, I charge brutes, banshees, atlas's, phantoms and primes BECAUSE it takes the heat off my team, who have the fire power and abilities to give them hell. Charge, nova, roll backwards works a treat against these guys, I've only been man handled a few times on silver, haven't tried gold yet so I don't know if it will still work or not?! When I do go down,(which is very rare, I have a surplus of medi-gel) it's my own fault, but at least I'm near my team when it happens!

Please stop your generalisation.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

beefcake 85 wrote...

I play as a vanguard, I always hack nodes if someone else doesn't, I always stay in the control point (well, as long as we don't get over run) I also always stay in the extraction zone. I'm a team player and help out where I can.

Yes, I charge brutes, banshees, atlas's, phantoms and primes BECAUSE it takes the heat off my team, who have the fire power and abilities to give them hell. Charge, nova, roll backwards works a treat against these guys, I've only been man handled a few times on silver, haven't tried gold yet so I don't know if it will still work or not?! When I do go down,(which is very rare, I have a surplus of medi-gel) it's my own fault, but at least I'm near my team when it happens!

Please stop your generalisation.

Generalizing isn't wrong when it's generally correct, and most Vanguards play like they think they can defeat anything and constantly steal kills. When I play as a Vanguard, I make a conscious effort to let many kills that I could take slip through the cracks for other people to rack up. They end up feeling more confident, and that helps them play better.

[Hatem]

Can we also get some krogan soldiers in here to share their painful experiences with vanguards? It has to be annoying to run toward a target only to have a vanguard standing on the opposite side of the map charge and kill/knock the target back instead, leaving the krogan headbutting open air.

[BellaStrega]

clonedoriginzero wrote...

AveryChim wrote...

I only hate when they're nearby and all the camera shaking makes it hard to aim...

Otherwise they're great! I just pick off the ones he's not targeting. There are more then enough enemies to go around...

its really nto about them killing more than me, i do just fine. usually #1 or #2 in score with my sentinel. its that they make things harder for the team.

they go down alot, like ALOT. requiring people to go way further than they should have to in order to revive them. usually its not worth it to revive a vanguard, too risky.

ive NEVER, not ONCE, seen a vanguard help hack one of the 4 nodes, or stay in the upload area. and they are NEVER in the extraction zone.

they're not teamplayers, thats the problem. all the other classes can stick together and work great as a team, but the vanguard is always on the other side of the map getting himself killed and not helpign with objectives.

When I played my Asari vanguard, I hardly ever used charge. I spent most of my time using stasis to lock mobs down and shooting them with my assault rifle. That is, mostly playing support. I also try to keep at least one other player nearby. I do revive and I do hack and click on nodes or cover other people who click nodes. I rarely get a high score,

I tried playing a human vanguard on my Asari's levels (18) but I got disconnected in the first round and haven't played multiplayer since because of losing my unlocks.