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[Vaeir09]

I had heard that the endings were terrible going into the game but I thought it was typical internet whining. When I got to the second to last scene I was thinking that this ending is perfectly acceptable.  Then the last five minutes happened.

I never thought that an entire series could be ruined so quickly.  So yes it is that bad.

Modifié par Vaeir09, 12 mars 2012 - 11:53 .

[kbct]

Vaeir09 wrote...

I had heard that the endings were terrible going into the game but I thought it was typical internet whining. When I got to the second to last scene and I'm thinking that this ending is perfectly acceptable.  Then the last five minutes happened.

I never thought that an entire series could be ruined so quickly.  So yes it is that bad.

Yup. You have to experience it to believe it.

[The Razman]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Beat the game. No. It's not. But it's a fair complaint, unfortunately the entitlement suffering whiners out cry the ones with a legit complaint.

But seriously, it's nothing to quit playing Mass Effect over, or quit gaming, or cut yourself, or get all emo over.

And it's DEFINATELY NOT something worth being a-holes to the people who worked hard on the game.

Depends how much you put into it and how you realize that your choices didn't matter in the end and you never really should of wasted time in that game thinking they would like you were told.

Insulting the "entitlement suffering whiners" means you determine who is and isn't one of those, and also negates anything you really say since rarely can you even insult someone and not have disputed your own claim because you had to resort to insults. In any case a lot of people are upset and they have that right.

Beaten each ME game more than 10x. (Except for ME3. I've onlt beaten it once SO FAR.)
I love ME3, and the endings are good. I've been a Mass Effect fan since the first game. I'm wearing a Mass Effect shirt right now. So no, it has nothing to do with how much time you've invested in the game. This is the best in the series, and yes, I do think everyone needs to stop b*tching, and crying, and moaning over absolutely nothing.

Thank god I'm not the only one who played ME3 while wearing my N7 t-shirt.

[Vasarkian]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Beat the game. No. It's not. But it's a fair complaint, unfortunately the entitlement suffering whiners out cry the ones with a legit complaint.

But seriously, it's nothing to quit playing Mass Effect over, or quit gaming, or cut yourself, or get all emo over.

And it's DEFINATELY NOT something worth being a-holes to the people who worked hard on the game.

Depends how much you put into it and how you realize that your choices didn't matter in the end and you never really should of wasted time in that game thinking they would like you were told.

Insulting the "entitlement suffering whiners" means you determine who is and isn't one of those, and also negates anything you really say since rarely can you even insult someone and not have disputed your own claim because you had to resort to insults. In any case a lot of people are upset and they have that right.

Beaten each ME game more than 10x. (Except for ME3. I've onlt beaten it once SO FAR.)
I love ME3, and the endings are good. I've been a Mass Effect fan since the first game. I'm wearing a Mass Effect shirt right now. So no, it has nothing to do with how much time you've invested in the game. This is the best in the series, and yes, I do think everyone needs to stop b*tching, and crying, and moaning over absolutely nothing.

Those fleets and soldiers you spent the entirety of the game building up? Yeah where were they in the final fight? All those assets... where were they?

In the end you realize everything you did mattered not.

[The Razman]

Vasarkian wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Beat the game. No. It's not. But it's a fair complaint, unfortunately the entitlement suffering whiners out cry the ones with a legit complaint.

But seriously, it's nothing to quit playing Mass Effect over, or quit gaming, or cut yourself, or get all emo over.

And it's DEFINATELY NOT something worth being a-holes to the people who worked hard on the game.

Depends how much you put into it and how you realize that your choices didn't matter in the end and you never really should of wasted time in that game thinking they would like you were told.

Insulting the "entitlement suffering whiners" means you determine who is and isn't one of those, and also negates anything you really say since rarely can you even insult someone and not have disputed your own claim because you had to resort to insults. In any case a lot of people are upset and they have that right.

Beaten each ME game more than 10x. (Except for ME3. I've onlt beaten it once SO FAR.)
I love ME3, and the endings are good. I've been a Mass Effect fan since the first game. I'm wearing a Mass Effect shirt right now. So no, it has nothing to do with how much time you've invested in the game. This is the best in the series, and yes, I do think everyone needs to stop b*tching, and crying, and moaning over absolutely nothing.

Those fleets and soldiers you spent the entirety of the game building up? Yeah where were they in the final fight? All those assets... where were they?

In the end you realize everything you did mattered not.

Whooooooa ... non-spoiler forum, remember.

[chris2365]

Quick question: If I was fine with KOTOR 2's ending, will I be fine with this one too?

[ZeroCrewX]

Execute23 wrote...

There isn't much to be worried about until the last scene where you must make your final decision. No matter what you do, you're getting a similar ending that aims to be hopeful, but ends up being ambiguous and paints a very bleak and short future for certain people and races without proper exposition.

I think "bleak" is an understatement. What it does is it ruins ME1, ME2,ME3 all together. It takes your choices from all three games, your experiences, the laughs and the cries, and it completely throws them in your face with a middle finger to top it off. I have played ME1 and 2 over 50 times each, thanks to those final 5 minutes, I will never play any of these games gain. I writhe in pain just thinking about it. I wish I had never bought ME1 back in 2007... 

Also, it's not the "hardcore" people that are reacting. Its every single being who enjoys a good story. Its people who spent hundrets of HOURS on all these games, just to have it all destroyed in less than 5 minutes. 

The endings are so bad (all of them) that they ruin the WHOLE series for you. Sure, gameplay in me3 was fun - but the price we paid for that is incomprehensibly high. Its OVERKILL.

Bioware, goodbye. This is the end of the line for me, you've forever lost one of the most loyal fans. We swallowed the disgrace that was Dragon Age 2, and now we get our last hope demolished in favor of EA. 

I am ashamed I once defended you/your games. You don't deserve the ashes from my ciggarette, let alone my hard earned money. I dont care if you fix the endings - you already ruined the series for me and many more.

[kbct]

chris2365 wrote...

Quick question: If I was fine with KOTOR 2's ending, will I be fine with this one too?

No. The ending is good if you like to be kicked in the balls and thrown off a cliff. Imagine Beethoven's Fifth Symphony ending with kazoos.

[Millmedda]

The ending is like if in the Lord of the Rings after Frodo drops the ring into the lava would immediately come the credits, and the movie would end without seeing Aragorn crowned and meet with Arwen, without seeing the Hobbits return to the Shire, and so on.... .So you can imagine.

[loungeshep]

Vasarkian wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Beat the game. No. It's not. But it's a fair complaint, unfortunately the entitlement suffering whiners out cry the ones with a legit complaint.

But seriously, it's nothing to quit playing Mass Effect over, or quit gaming, or cut yourself, or get all emo over.

And it's DEFINATELY NOT something worth being a-holes to the people who worked hard on the game.

Depends how much you put into it and how you realize that your choices didn't matter in the end and you never really should of wasted time in that game thinking they would like you were told.

Insulting the "entitlement suffering whiners" means you determine who is and isn't one of those, and also negates anything you really say since rarely can you even insult someone and not have disputed your own claim because you had to resort to insults. In any case a lot of people are upset and they have that right.

Saying that if we love mass effect we hate the endings is basically saying that those of us who like the endings hate Mass Effect then.

I see what you did there, you took one phrase and made that my entire point. you lose a gold star for ignoring the part where I said ' some have a legit complaint'.   I agree that people have a right to be upset.  But not be so overtly dramatic about it.  By Entitlement babies I mean the ones who are acting like a-holes, attacking the devs, writers, people liked the end, etc. 

There's a difference between say, emailing Bioware and calmly and rationally explaining that you don't like how it ends, and how it cheapens the game. And emailing Bioware and calling them lazy hacks and generally being abusive towards them.

If you love Mass Effect you love Mass Effect regardless of how it ends,  there's nothing wrong with hating the ending. I like Star Trek Enterprise but I hate the series finale, as an example.

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Execute23 wrote...

There isn't much to be worried about until the last scene where you must make your final decision. No matter what you do, you're getting a similar ending that aims to be hopeful, but ends up being ambiguous and paints a very bleak and short future for certain people and races without proper exposition.

I think "bleak" is an understatement. What it does is it ruins ME1, ME2,ME3 all together. It takes your choices from all three games, your experiences, the laughs and the cries, and it completely throws them in your face with a middle finger to top it off. I have played ME1 and 2 over 50 times each, thanks to those final 5 minutes, I will never play any of these games gain. I writhe in pain just thinking about it. I wish I had never bought ME1 back in 2007... 

Also, it's not the "hardcore" people that are reacting. Its every single being who enjoys a good story. Its people who spent hundrets of HOURS on all these games, just to have it all destroyed in less than 5 minutes. 

The endings are so bad (all of them) that they ruin the WHOLE series for you. Sure, gameplay in me3 was fun - but the price we paid for that is incomprehensibly high. Its OVERKILL.

Bioware, goodbye. This is the end of the line for me, you've forever lost one of the most loyal fans. We swallowed the disgrace that was Dragon Age 2, and now we get our last hope demolished in favor of EA. 

I am ashamed I once defended you/your games. You don't deserve the ashes from my ciggarette, let alone my hard earned money. I dont care if you fix the endings - you already ruined the series for me and many more.

[GeesUp]

wizkid1696 wrote...

If garrus dies, i might die of a stroke

dont worry if he does he'll resurrect somewhere else

[GeesUp]

Honestly just play it and come up with your own assumption.

[Golden Owl]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Execute23 wrote...

There isn't much to be worried about until the last scene where you must make your final decision. No matter what you do, you're getting a similar ending that aims to be hopeful, but ends up being ambiguous and paints a very bleak and short future for certain people and races without proper exposition.

I think "bleak" is an understatement. What it does is it ruins ME1, ME2,ME3 all together. It takes your choices from all three games, your experiences, the laughs and the cries, and it completely throws them in your face with a middle finger to top it off. I have played ME1 and 2 over 50 times each, thanks to those final 5 minutes, I will never play any of these games gain. I writhe in pain just thinking about it. I wish I had never bought ME1 back in 2007... 

Also, it's not the "hardcore" people that are reacting. Its every single being who enjoys a good story. Its people who spent hundrets of HOURS on all these games, just to have it all destroyed in less than 5 minutes. 

The endings are so bad (all of them) that they ruin the WHOLE series for you. Sure, gameplay in me3 was fun - but the price we paid for that is incomprehensibly high. Its OVERKILL.

Bioware, goodbye. This is the end of the line for me, you've forever lost one of the most loyal fans. We swallowed the disgrace that was Dragon Age 2, and now we get our last hope demolished in favor of EA. 

I am ashamed I once defended you/your games. You don't deserve the ashes from my ciggarette, let alone my hard earned money. I dont care if you fix the endings - you already ruined the series for me and many more.

I'm 100% with every word you have written here Zero...the hundreds of hours I have poured into ME1 and ME2, all the love...all for nought....I began buying other BW games because of ME, thinking this is an epic gaming company, until they hit me with ME3's ending.....signing off of BW, sticking with Bethesda (I don't feel screwed over by Bethesda).

[bleetman]

Logan Cloud wrote...
I do think everyone needs to stop b*tching, and crying, and moaning over absolutely nothing.

It's good to know that thoroughly inconsistent endings that pantomime an explanation at the last second and trigger unexplained, nonsensical consequences are "absolutely nothing".

[Golden Owl]

kbct wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

Quick question: If I was fine with KOTOR 2's ending, will I be fine with this one too?

No. The ending is good if you like to be kicked in the balls and thrown off a cliff. Imagine Beethoven's Fifth Symphony ending with kazoos.

Spot on and well said.

[The Razman]

chris2365 wrote...

Quick question: If I was fine with KOTOR 2's ending, will I be fine with this one too?

It's hard to say ... I despised KOTOR's ending, but loved ME3s. They're not really comparable.

But some of the issues which people have with KOTOR2's endings are present in the ME3 one, so it's a good sign for you. I say again ... you should really just go in there and play it. Only you can decide if it's a good ending or not. The anticipation of the ending should be part of the fun of playing.

[Vasarkian]

loungeshep wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Beat the game. No. It's not. But it's a fair complaint, unfortunately the entitlement suffering whiners out cry the ones with a legit complaint.

But seriously, it's nothing to quit playing Mass Effect over, or quit gaming, or cut yourself, or get all emo over.

And it's DEFINATELY NOT something worth being a-holes to the people who worked hard on the game.

Depends how much you put into it and how you realize that your choices didn't matter in the end and you never really should of wasted time in that game thinking they would like you were told.

Insulting the "entitlement suffering whiners" means you determine who is and isn't one of those, and also negates anything you really say since rarely can you even insult someone and not have disputed your own claim because you had to resort to insults. In any case a lot of people are upset and they have that right.

Saying that if we love mass effect we hate the endings is basically saying that those of us who like the endings hate Mass Effect then.

I see what you did there, you took one phrase and made that my entire point. you lose a gold star for ignoring the part where I said ' some have a legit complaint'.   I agree that people have a right to be upset.  But not be so overtly dramatic about it.  By Entitlement babies I mean the ones who are acting like a-holes, attacking the devs, writers, people liked the end, etc. 

There's a difference between say, emailing Bioware and calmly and rationally explaining that you don't like how it ends, and how it cheapens the game. And emailing Bioware and calling them lazy hacks and generally being abusive towards them.

If you love Mass Effect you love Mass Effect regardless of how it ends,  there's nothing wrong with hating the ending. I like Star Trek Enterprise but I hate the series finale, as an example.

I didn't ignore it, but it was too vague to focus on.

People have a right to get upset and they also have a right to express it or direct it such as towards the people who made the game and let things slip that should not have been allowed to slip.

Dragon Age 2 was their first major failure to be honest, it was at that point that perhaps your statements were valid, or more valid to be honest, although the big issue comes down to the fact that they really let that game slip so much through the cracks and then defended it. There was really no saving grace for that game.

Arguably TOR has become another horrible mockery but that's debatable.

Mass Effect 3 is either the 2nd or 3rd in a row major failure on BioWare and that's the issue.

Regardless of your thoughts or liking of the ending it is undeniable that your assets don't actually play a part or matter in the end, no matter what fleets you did or did not have, how they were equipped, or what amount of ground forces you had. There is no actual impact. The ending that people hate is just where people are directing their hatred at because it was so blunt, but the truth is that assets never mattered and that was an intentional allowance and that is what the real issue with the game was.

Had they mattered? Endings would of been required to be different because major fleets would potentially be winning.

---

If BioWare set such a bad taste in one's mouth such as this friendly Hanar's because of the issues they created, the things they let in, and the lack of responsibility or acknowledgment to the community that they demonstrated... then yes, it is logical for people who loved the series to be unable to play it again or like BioWare in any capacity, because it would just regurgitate the bad.

Modifié par Vasarkian, 13 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[The Razman]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Ok, I'm a pretty open-minded person... I respect people's rights to their own opinions. And if you don't like the endings, that's really not that big of a deal... But I gotta say, if you've chosen to never play another Bioware game, including old games they've already made, JUST because you didn't like the last 5 minutes of the game, you're a ******. That's harsh, and I know it, but that's the best word I can think of. You're throwing out hundreds of hours of games you love, because of 5 minutes. Wow people. Just wow.

Now let your hate flow to me. Let your butthurt consume you. Just remember that if you strike me down now, I shall be more powerful than you could ever imagine.

Peace.

+5 Renegade.

You've also gained my loyalty for the suicide mission.

[ObserverStatus]

I should start a petition to change all the other games' endings. Me3's was the best.

[frustratemyself]

Vaeir09 wrote...

I had heard that the endings were terrible going into the game but I thought it was typical internet whining. When I got to the second to last scene I was thinking that this ending is perfectly acceptable.  Then the last five minutes happened.

I never thought that an entire series could be ruined so quickly.  So yes it is that bad.

This

[METALPUNKS]

I'm not gonna join a group you've created protesting anything of you haven't even played it.