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[Mr. MannlyMan]

Yeah, it's bad.

Not in a wow-that's-disappointing kind of way, but rather in a what-possessed-them-to-end-it-like-this way.

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 13 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[Vasarkian]

Vasarkian wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Beat the game. No. It's not. But it's a fair complaint, unfortunately the entitlement suffering whiners out cry the ones with a legit complaint.

But seriously, it's nothing to quit playing Mass Effect over, or quit gaming, or cut yourself, or get all emo over.

And it's DEFINATELY NOT something worth being a-holes to the people who worked hard on the game.

Depends how much you put into it and how you realize that your choices didn't matter in the end and you never really should of wasted time in that game thinking they would like you were told.

Insulting the "entitlement suffering whiners" means you determine who is and isn't one of those, and also negates anything you really say since rarely can you even insult someone and not have disputed your own claim because you had to resort to insults. In any case a lot of people are upset and they have that right.

Saying that if we love mass effect we hate the endings is basically saying that those of us who like the endings hate Mass Effect then.

I see what you did there, you took one phrase and made that my entire point. you lose a gold star for ignoring the part where I said ' some have a legit complaint'.   I agree that people have a right to be upset.  But not be so overtly dramatic about it.  By Entitlement babies I mean the ones who are acting like a-holes, attacking the devs, writers, people liked the end, etc. 

There's a difference between say, emailing Bioware and calmly and rationally explaining that you don't like how it ends, and how it cheapens the game. And emailing Bioware and calling them lazy hacks and generally being abusive towards them.

If you love Mass Effect you love Mass Effect regardless of how it ends,  there's nothing wrong with hating the ending. I like Star Trek Enterprise but I hate the series finale, as an example.

I didn't ignore it, but it was too vague to focus on.

People have a right to get upset and they also have a right to express it or direct it such as towards the people who made the game and let things slip that should not have been allowed to slip.

Dragon Age 2 was their first major failure to be honest, it was at that point that perhaps your statements were valid, or more valid to be honest, although the big issue comes down to the fact that they really let that game slip so much through the cracks and then defended it. There was really no saving grace for that game.

Arguably TOR has become another horrible mockery but that's debatable.

Mass Effect 3 is either the 2nd or 3rd in a row major failure on BioWare and that's the issue.

Regardless of your thoughts or liking of the ending it is undeniable that your assets don't actually play a part or matter in the end, no matter what fleets you did or did not have, how they were equipped, or what amount of ground forces you had. There is no actual impact. The ending that people hate is just where people are directing their hatred at because it was so blunt, but the truth is that assets never mattered and that was an intentional allowance and that is what the real issue with the game was.

Had they mattered? Endings would of been required to be different because major fleets would potentially be winning.

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If BioWare set such a bad taste in one's mouth such as this friendly Hanar's because of the issues they created, the things they let in, and the lack of responsibility or acknowledgment to the community that they demonstrated... then yes, it is logical for people who loved the series to be unable to play it again or like BioWare in any capacity, because it would just regurgitate the bad.

I quote this because I think a lot of people miss some of the evidenced reasons the ME3 game is broken.

[Darth Malice113]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Demyx_IX wrote...

yearsago wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

Ok, I'm a pretty open-minded person... I respect people's rights to their own opinions. And if you don't like the endings, that's really not that big of a deal... But I gotta say, if you've chosen to never play another Bioware game, including old games they've already made, JUST because you didn't like the last 5 minutes of the game, you're a ******. That's harsh, and I know it, but that's the best word I can think of. You're throwing out hundreds of hours of games you love, because of 5 minutes. Wow people. Just wow.

Now let your hate flow to me. Let your butthurt consume you. Just remember that if you strike me down now, I shall be more powerful than you could ever imagine.

Peace.

Business makes decision that consumers dislike,  consumer choose to no longer give business to company.  How is that bad?

This makes sense. Indeed, if a company makes decisions that the consumer doesn't like then it's logical to stop buying their "products". At the very least until they change what you don't like. 

That's the thing though. 90% of you DID like the product. Most people loved the game. But you're going against a company because of 5 minutes, out of 90+ hours.

I hope that one day, a game company decides to not make any ending at all, and just decides to Rick Roll you at the end. I'd respect the f*ck out of any company that did that, just to troll people.

And you don't think they are trolling the community with this ending?

Funny, I don't  really mind because I prefer darker endings. But that doesn't mean that someone who wants more variety should get shafted.

Modifié par Darth Malice113, 13 mars 2012 - 12:40 .

[wolfstanus]

yearsago wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

Ok, I'm a pretty open-minded person... I respect people's rights to their own opinions. And if you don't like the endings, that's really not that big of a deal... But I gotta say, if you've chosen to never play another Bioware game, including old games they've already made, JUST because you didn't like the last 5 minutes of the game, you're a ******. That's harsh, and I know it, but that's the best word I can think of. You're throwing out hundreds of hours of games you love, because of 5 minutes. Wow people. Just wow.

Now let your hate flow to me. Let your butthurt consume you. Just remember that if you strike me down now, I shall be more powerful than you could ever imagine.

Peace.

Business makes decision that consumers dislike,  consumer choose to no longer give business to company.  How is that bad?

And yet people still shop at Walmart 

[Demyx_IX]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Demyx_IX wrote...

yearsago wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

Ok, I'm a pretty open-minded person... I respect people's rights to their own opinions. And if you don't like the endings, that's really not that big of a deal... But I gotta say, if you've chosen to never play another Bioware game, including old games they've already made, JUST because you didn't like the last 5 minutes of the game, you're a ******. That's harsh, and I know it, but that's the best word I can think of. You're throwing out hundreds of hours of games you love, because of 5 minutes. Wow people. Just wow.

Now let your hate flow to me. Let your butthurt consume you. Just remember that if you strike me down now, I shall be more powerful than you could ever imagine.

Peace.

Business makes decision that consumers dislike,  consumer choose to no longer give business to company.  How is that bad?

This makes sense. Indeed, if a company makes decisions that the consumer doesn't like then it's logical to stop buying their "products". At the very least until they change what you don't like. 

That's the thing though. 90% of you DID like the product. Most people loved the game. But you're going against a company because of 5 minutes, out of 90+ hours.

I hope that one day, a game company decides to not make any ending at all, and just decides to Rick Roll you at the end. I'd respect the f*ck out of any company that did that, just to troll people.

I loved the product, but not the full product so to speak. I should have clarified my views more, I am still going to buy more/play more BioWare games. I was more talking in a general point of view. If you want a company to change something then stop giving them money and getting lots of people to stop paying as well is the best method. Not saying it's fair or right and I myself wont do that, but most companies (especially EA) only care about the money.

[Vasarkian]

My issue is less 5 minutes and more over 2 hours + the entirety of the asset system not mattering and making me feel like nothing I did actually mattered and then being thrown the 5 minute awful-bad ending.

[GSGJens]

It's not bad at all - actually, it's one of the best games I ever played.
Considering the whole trilogy: The best gaming-experience I ever had.

[Mystical_Gaming]

I've not beaten the game yet and I don't think I will soon. I figure I shall just go real slow through the whole thing so I can hold off on the ending as long as possible then I'll see what all the talk is about. I'm fully prepared to be sad or disappointed in the ending after hearing so much talk about it so I'm not sure if it will upset me that much.

Either way if it turns out to be that bad then oh well. Even though I've been playing Mass Effect since day one back in 07' I guess all good things must end. I'll just go back to all my FPS games and play those until a DLC ending or a new mass effect comes out in the years ahead ...

[Vasarkian]

GSGJens wrote...

It's not bad at all - actually, it's one of the best games I ever played.
Considering the whole trilogy: The best gaming-experience I ever had.

The entire point of the game ends up not mattering... none of the assets you seek out for the entirety of the game actually do anything.

[BuffPhantoms]

Eradyn wrote...

wizkid1696 wrote...

Did anybody here like the ending?

Approximately 2% of the population that plays ME3 likes 

You mean who visit this forum.

[PsychoWARD23]

Yes, it was one of the worst endings to a video game I have ever seen.

[Demyx_IX]

Mystical_Gaming wrote...

I've not beaten the game yet and I don't think I will soon. I figure I shall just go real slow through the whole thing so I can hold off on the ending as long as possible then I'll see what all the talk is about. I'm fully prepared to be sad or disappointed in the ending after hearing so much talk about it so I'm not sure if it will upset me that much.

Either way if it turns out to be that bad then oh well. Even though I've been playing Mass Effect since day one back in 07' I guess all good things must end. I'll just go back to all my FPS games and play those until a DLC ending or a new mass effect comes out in the years ahead ...

I would recommend just turning the game off towards the end. You will know when it is* 

Modifié par Demyx_IX, 13 mars 2012 - 12:45 .

[The Razman]

Demyx_IX wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Demyx_IX wrote...

blakile wrote...

I had no problem with the ending I got, I wanna see the other 8-15 lol. I think with a game that has this much of a following, its gonna be talked and ranted about. I thought it was a good way to end it but thats me.

I take it you mean the 8-15 crew members? Because this game only has 3 endings and they are almost indentical and very bad.  Yes that's you. Did you play ME1 and ME2 to the end? If you did I honestly can't see why you are okay with these endings. But oh well.

See, I'm the other way round. I don't see how you were ok with ME2's ending. That was a bad game ending.

This was a good one.

Obvious troll is obvious.
(if I'm somehow wrong then.... get your head examined buddy) 

... that was somewhat uncalled for. I'm not trolling, or in need of a head exam. Maybe you don't remember, but quite a few people had an issue with what was termed back then "the dumbest ending boss of all time"?

But that's not what made it a bad ending for me. The problem for me was that everyone survived. I'm a gaming completionist ... I go and find every sidequest and complete all the research before I go and finish the last mission. What happened as a result of this was I went into a suicide mission only to have everybody survive quite easily. It was the definition of an anti-climax; the game ended with me still waiting for the big challenge/difficult decision/tragic loss to happen.

So please ... refrain from insults in the future.

[raeting]

Yes, it is the worst ending I've ever seen. Because I liked the series so much.

That said, you should finish it. Make up your own mind. Especially if you are a big ME fan.

[PsychoWARD23]

BuffPhantoms wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

wizkid1696 wrote...

Did anybody here like the ending?

Approximately 2% of the population that plays ME3 likes 

You mean who visit this forum.

Not true, there are polls on other forums, the majority does not like the ending.

www.ign.com/boards/threads/did-you-like-the-ending-s-of-mass-effect-3-spoilers-of-course.250089006/

[Darkeus]

Boy, I knew Bioware would screw the pooch somewhere. I don't know if it was adding the multiplayer that resulted in this ending or whatever but I knew something bad would happen with this game.

And then a bunch of bad happened. Told you so....

Modifié par Darkeus, 13 mars 2012 - 12:46 .

[kbct]

Mystical_Gaming wrote...

I've not beaten the game yet and I don't think I will soon. I figure I shall just go real slow through the whole thing so I can hold off on the ending as long as possible then I'll see what all the talk is about. I'm fully prepared to be sad or disappointed in the ending after hearing so much talk about it so I'm not sure if it will upset me that much.

Either way if it turns out to be that bad then oh well. Even though I've been playing Mass Effect since day one back in 07' I guess all good things must end. I'll just go back to all my FPS games and play those until a DLC ending or a new mass effect comes out in the years ahead ...

Yeah, you're the perfect candidate for disappointment. Practically everyone that has loves the epic story and has played since the beginning will be affected. Enjoy the journey while it lasts.

[Demyx_IX]

The Razman wrote...

Demyx_IX wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Demyx_IX wrote...

blakile wrote...

I had no problem with the ending I got, I wanna see the other 8-15 lol. I think with a game that has this much of a following, its gonna be talked and ranted about. I thought it was a good way to end it but thats me.

I take it you mean the 8-15 crew members? Because this game only has 3 endings and they are almost indentical and very bad.  Yes that's you. Did you play ME1 and ME2 to the end? If you did I honestly can't see why you are okay with these endings. But oh well.

See, I'm the other way round. I don't see how you were ok with ME2's ending. That was a bad game ending.

This was a good one.

Obvious troll is obvious.
(if I'm somehow wrong then.... get your head examined buddy) 

... that was somewhat uncalled for. I'm not trolling, or in need of a head exam. Maybe you don't remember, but quite a few people had an issue with what was termed back then "the dumbest ending boss of all time"?

But that's not what made it a bad ending for me. The problem for me was that everyone survived. I'm a gaming completionist ... I go and find every sidequest and complete all the research before I go and finish the last mission. What happened as a result of this was I went into a suicide mission only to have everybody survive quite easily. It was the definition of an anti-climax; the game ended with me still waiting for the big challenge/difficult decision/tragic loss to happen.

So please ... refrain from insults in the future.

I just can't  fathom how the ME3 endings are better. As for my other statement that wasn't seriously meant at all.  I suppose but it's not about the bosses but the story itself. Everyone only survived if you made them survive, you can almost kill off all your crew in ME2. 

No insults meant, I'm sorry that you took it that way.

Modifié par Demyx_IX, 13 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[Wuppie]

No, the ending is not that bad.
Net-nerds have a bizzare sense of entitlement and when they come across something they don't like, instead of just being upset and/or disaapointed they get angry.
Did ME3 have an ending I wanted? NFI - I had no expectations other than wanting closure and guess what people, it had that in spades!

[Mx_CN3]

From what I've gathered, 99% of the people that don't like the endings (a lot of people!) didn't like them because of one or more of 3 reasons:

1) Your decisions have no real effect. You do get some minor changes depending on your war assets, but past a certain threshold (that is easy to get if you play thoroughly), it all ends up roughly the same. War assets do affect portions of the last act, however they have no effect (past the aforementioned threshold) on the finale(s). Note that there is also aspect of one ending that you basically need to do multiplayer to get (just a heads up).

2) No closure. The galaxy, and Shepard, and the people you know, have a lot of problems. You only get to find out what happens to Shepard and a very small handful of other characters. Mostly, you will be left with questions.

3) Completely new story aspects. There is at least one thing (arguably two) that pretty much changes everything you think about a major aspect of the series (and the second arguably changes everything you think about the entire series). Most people can normally live with revelations like this if there is time to expand on the ideas, but it happens literally 5 minutes from the end of the game.

I certainly hoped I kept those vague enough for the no-spoilers section. If any of those sound like things that would irritate, you, I strongly advise you to stop at rising platform.

Edit: but don't get me wrong, the rest of the game is a masterpiece.  Which makes the endings all that much worse.

Modifié par Mx_CN3, 13 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[Tleilaxos]

It should have ended with Shepard being unplugged from a VI and waking up at the beginning of ME1 to find out the whole thing was a test to see if he had what it takes to be a Spectre.

[Vasarkian]

Wuppie wrote...

No, the ending is not that bad.
Net-nerds have a bizzare sense of entitlement and when they come across something they don't like, instead of just being upset and/or disaapointed they get angry.
Did ME3 have an ending I wanted? NFI - I had no expectations other than wanting closure and guess what people, it had that in spades!

Your assets didn't matter, so what you spent the entirety of the game building up ended up being ignored and not mattering in any regard, the fleets, the troops... nope none of it mattered. The game didn't really even end in that regard, it just pauses.