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[Demyx_IX]

Wuppie wrote...

No, the ending is not that bad.
Net-nerds have a bizzare sense of entitlement and when they come across something they don't like, instead of just being upset and/or disaapointed they get angry.
Did ME3 have an ending I wanted? NFI - I had no expectations other than wanting closure and guess what people, it had that in spades!

If many people who has played the ME series for many years are this upset with the endings then it's obviously our right. We are the consumers, if something is outrageous it's outrageous and we should be angry about it.

Modifié par Demyx_IX, 13 mars 2012 - 12:53 .

[Quionic]

 The endings ARE that bad. 

[WildcardCharlie]

a_guy_on_teh_interweb wrote...

Most people are mad that there is no "happy" ending. Each option involves major losses.

For the last time, that is not what most people are mad about

[Chuvvy]

I'll give you an analogy. Imagine if LOTR had ended like this. Gollum would give Frodo a choice, either throw the ring into the lava, or jump into the lava with the ring. After choosing either of these, middle earth would implode and the entire fellowship would be stuck on an island together, also if Frodo just threw thing ring in, all the elves would die.

[Aaleel]

Urdnot Grim wrote..

I wish we could have someone post the numerous quotes offered on what we could expect from this game that in essence establish the very reason for why most of us are upset. It's not about entitlement. Most of us are actually willing to pay money for a proper epilogue.

Bioware's Michael Gamble on the ending:

There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say
any more than that…

Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an
ending. BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions
than answers after finishing the game.

I honestly think the player base is going to be really happy with the
way we've done it. You had a part in it. Every decision you've made will
impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."



What else is there really to say. 

[Hitchno]

BuffPhantoms wrote...
You mean who visit this forum.

In which case that's more than the number of people that it took blizzard to get the clue that "realID" was a bad idea.

[kbct]

Mx_CN3 wrote...

From what I've gathered, 99% of the people that don't like the endings (a lot of people!) didn't like them because of one or more of 3 reasons:

1) Your decisions have no real effect. You do get some minor changes depending on your war assets, but past a certain threshold (that is easy to get if you play thoroughly), it all ends up roughly the same. War assets do affect portions of the last act, however they have no effect (past the aforementioned threshold) on the finale(s). Note that there is also aspect of one ending that you basically need to do multiplayer to get (just a heads up).

2) No closure. The galaxy, and Shepard, and the people you know, have a lot of problems. You only get to find out what happens to Shepard and a very small handful of other characters. Mostly, you will be left with questions.

3) Completely new story aspects. There is at least one thing (arguably two) that pretty much changes everything you think about a major aspect of the series (and the second arguably changes everything you think about the entire series). Most people can normally live with revelations like this if there is time to expand on the ideas, but it happens literally 5 minutes from the end of the game.

I certainly hoped I kept those vague enough for the no-spoilers section. If any of those sound like things that would irritate, you, I strongly advise you to stop at rising platform.

Edit: but don't get me wrong, the rest of the game is a masterpiece.  Which makes the endings all that much worse.

Agreed. And maybe one or two other things as well.

However, that's not gonna stop people from saying we're whining or entitled or demanding or want a fairy tale ending. That's just what they say to try to get you to stop.

[Wuppie]

Vasarkian wrote...

Your assets didn't matter, so what you spent the entirety of the game building up ended up being ignored and not mattering in any regard, the fleets, the troops... nope none of it mattered. The game didn't really even end in that regard, it just pauses.

Your assests do matter, they present what options you have at the end (3 choices).

Urdnot Grim wrote...

I wish we could have someone post the numerous quotes offered on what we could expect from this game that in essence establish the very reason for why most of us are upset. It's not about entitlement. Most of us are actually willing to pay money for a proper epilogue.

Wrong (imo), they have not sold you a toaster and delivered a kettle, or sold you a faulty motorbike. They sold you a story, albiet an interactive one which you didnt like the ending of.
One of my favourite authors (Raymond E Feist) is currently writing the final book of 20+ which is clearly going to kill off the main character(s), will I be happy with that? Probably not, will I be angry - HELL NO! Because it is his work to do with as he wishes.

[Demyx_IX]

But... a lost, in fact many of them is exactly what they did. Fail.

[The Razman]

Demyx_IX wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Demyx_IX wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Demyx_IX wrote...

blakile wrote...

I had no problem with the ending I got, I wanna see the other 8-15 lol. I think with a game that has this much of a following, its gonna be talked and ranted about. I thought it was a good way to end it but thats me.

I take it you mean the 8-15 crew members? Because this game only has 3 endings and they are almost indentical and very bad.  Yes that's you. Did you play ME1 and ME2 to the end? If you did I honestly can't see why you are okay with these endings. But oh well.

See, I'm the other way round. I don't see how you were ok with ME2's ending. That was a bad game ending.

This was a good one.

Obvious troll is obvious.
(if I'm somehow wrong then.... get your head examined buddy) 

... that was somewhat uncalled for. I'm not trolling, or in need of a head exam. Maybe you don't remember, but quite a few people had an issue with what was termed back then "the dumbest ending boss of all time"?

But that's not what made it a bad ending for me. The problem for me was that everyone survived. I'm a gaming completionist ... I go and find every sidequest and complete all the research before I go and finish the last mission. What happened as a result of this was I went into a suicide mission only to have everybody survive quite easily. It was the definition of an anti-climax; the game ended with me still waiting for the big challenge/difficult decision/tragic loss to happen.

So please ... refrain from insults in the future.

I just can't  fathom how the ME3 endings are better. As for my other statement that wasn't seriously meant at all.  I suppose but it's not about the bosses but the story itself. Everyone only survived if you made them survive, you can almost kill off all your crew in ME2. 

No insults meant, I'm sorry that you took it that way.

I understand, but that's what made it a fundamental flaw in the game for me. If I play well, I get an ending which is narratively unsatisfying and an anti-climax. I don't want anyone on my team to die, but if nobody dies on a suicide mission ... then it's not a suicide mission. It was just a long normal mission, really. I didn't feel anything at the end of it.

At the end of ME3, when that music is playing, and that thing is happening to my Shepard ... I couldn't not be moved. Whatever your personal beefs about plotholes and the war assets system ... who can honestly say that it wasn't an emotional ending?

[Demyx_IX]

Wuppie wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

Your assets didn't matter, so what you spent the entirety of the game building up ended up being ignored and not mattering in any regard, the fleets, the troops... nope none of it mattered. The game didn't really even end in that regard, it just pauses.

Your assests do matter, they present what options you have at the end (3 choices).

Urdnot Grim wrote...

I wish we could have someone post the numerous quotes offered on what we could expect from this game that in essence establish the very reason for why most of us are upset. It's not about entitlement. Most of us are actually willing to pay money for a proper epilogue.

Wrong (imo), they have not sold you a toaster and delivered a kettle, or sold you a faulty motorbike. They sold you a story, albiet an interactive one which you didnt like the ending of.
One of my favourite authors (Raymond E Feist) is currently writing the final book of 20+ which is clearly going to kill off the main character(s), will I be happy with that? Probably not, will I be angry - HELL NO! Because it is his work to do with as he wishes.

3 choices yes. But all the 3 choices are terrible (esp what they produce), and are far too similar to cosidered true seperate endings. It's like 1 ending with 3 tiny differences. 

Modifié par Demyx_IX, 13 mars 2012 - 01:06 .

[Mx_CN3]

kbct wrote...

Agreed. And maybe one or two other things as well.

However, that's not gonna stop people from saying we're whining or entitled or demanding or want a fairy tale ending. That's just what they say to try to get you to stop.

Oh there are far more than one or two others, I just felt those are the biggest ones.  They also, to me, happen to be the most reasonable complaints.  I wouldn't mind a fairy tale ending, but I and most people would rather have an ending that actually fits in with the rest of the game.

[Savber100]

The game itself was great.

The ending was mediocre (not horrific as some of the people are saying) but was still poor especially with all that buildup.

[Vasarkian]

Wuppie wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

Your assets didn't matter, so what you spent the entirety of the game building up ended up being ignored and not mattering in any regard, the fleets, the troops... nope none of it mattered. The game didn't really even end in that regard, it just pauses.

Your assests do matter, they present what options you have at the end (3 choices).

Urdnot Grim wrote...

I wish we could have someone post the numerous quotes offered on what we could expect from this game that in essence establish the very reason for why most of us are upset. It's not about entitlement. Most of us are actually willing to pay money for a proper epilogue.

Wrong (imo), they have not sold you a toaster and delivered a kettle, or sold you a faulty motorbike. They sold you a story, albiet an interactive one which you didnt like the ending of.
One of my favourite authors (Raymond E Feist) is currently writing the final book of 20+ which is clearly going to kill off the main character(s), will I be happy with that? Probably not, will I be angry - HELL NO! Because it is his work to do with as he wishes.

Does having 10 more fleets do that? No.

Your ASSETS didn't matter, a random number that really changes nothing is what mattered.

I'm all for accepting your view but please don't for one second say that having assets actually mattered in the end, because it didn't, it didn' tmatter in regards to the forces trying to save Earth or the fleet trying to take on the Reapers or in any of it. YOUR ASSETS DO NO MATTER.

[kbct]

Mx_CN3 wrote...

kbct wrote...

Agreed. And maybe one or two other things as well.

However, that's not gonna stop people from saying we're whining or entitled or demanding or want a fairy tale ending. That's just what they say to try to get you to stop.

Oh there are far more than one or two others, I just felt those are the biggest ones.  They also, to me, happen to be the most reasonable complaints.  I wouldn't mind a fairy tale ending, but I and most people would rather have an ending that actually fits in with the rest of the game.

Well, keep them at the forefront because people are gonna attack from the same angles over and over and over. Heh, it wouldn't hurt to have a couple ready responses to stamp on their foreheads.

Love the sig too.

Modifié par kbct, 13 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[Wuppie]

Urdnot Grim wrote...

You obviously did not see the part where I said I did like the ending. Again, that has no bearing here. I mean, really, I doubt expect you to agree with me here, but I do expect you to atleast stop making that assumption. It's not about the ending being sad.

Sort of, but regardless an epilogue would constitute part of the ending and you dislike its absence, I for one don't mind how ME3 finished.

So much of Mass Effect is about Sacrifice for the greater good (eg; the right to exist) and honestly, I felt that the only fair way for them to end it was with Shepard sacrificing his/her self for the Galaxy to be saved.

Ending where information is left unsaid (eg; no epilogue) are rarely popular, but I feel they can heighten the experience. So much of Mass Effect is left unexplored - where did the reapers come from originally (for one example).
This lack of explanation gives the world mystery and honestly, some things can't be explained as whatever explanation is given can't live up to peoples hopes / desires.

When I first heard them talking about Mass Effect, I got the feeling that this was Shepards story, not Liara's, or Kaidens or the Illusive Mans, and really the main focus of Shepards story - Saving the Galaxy from the Reapers is very much given closure.
Clearly that was not enough for you.
I suggest maybe tempering expectation with some understanding that as someone outside the creative process you are entering into this voluntarily and any issues you have with it stem more from your expectations rather than BioWare's product.

All video games need to come with a warning:
Buyer beware, satisfaction is NOT guaranteed!

[Demyx_IX]

The Razman wrote...

Demyx_IX wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Demyx_IX wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Demyx_IX wrote...

blakile wrote...

I had no problem with the ending I got, I wanna see the other 8-15 lol. I think with a game that has this much of a following, its gonna be talked and ranted about. I thought it was a good way to end it but thats me.

I take it you mean the 8-15 crew members? Because this game only has 3 endings and they are almost indentical and very bad.  Yes that's you. Did you play ME1 and ME2 to the end? If you did I honestly can't see why you are okay with these endings. But oh well.

See, I'm the other way round. I don't see how you were ok with ME2's ending. That was a bad game ending.

This was a good one.

Obvious troll is obvious.
(if I'm somehow wrong then.... get your head examined buddy) 

... that was somewhat uncalled for. I'm not trolling, or in need of a head exam. Maybe you don't remember, but quite a few people had an issue with what was termed back then "the dumbest ending boss of all time"?

But that's not what made it a bad ending for me. The problem for me was that everyone survived. I'm a gaming completionist ... I go and find every sidequest and complete all the research before I go and finish the last mission. What happened as a result of this was I went into a suicide mission only to have everybody survive quite easily. It was the definition of an anti-climax; the game ended with me still waiting for the big challenge/difficult decision/tragic loss to happen.

So please ... refrain from insults in the future.

I just can't  fathom how the ME3 endings are better. As for my other statement that wasn't seriously meant at all.  I suppose but it's not about the bosses but the story itself. Everyone only survived if you made them survive, you can almost kill off all your crew in ME2. 

No insults meant, I'm sorry that you took it that way.

I understand, but that's what made it a fundamental flaw in the game for me. If I play well, I get an ending which is narratively unsatisfying and an anti-climax. I don't want anyone on my team to die, but if nobody dies on a suicide mission ... then it's not a suicide mission. It was just a long normal mission, really. I didn't feel anything at the end of it.

At the end of ME3, when that music is playing, and that thing is happening to my Shepard ... I couldn't not be moved. Whatever your personal beefs about plotholes and the war assets system ... who can honestly say that it wasn't an emotional ending?

I can see where you are coming from about ME2, it wasn't much of a suicide mission if you did it right. They should just have called the mission something else and less people would probably dislike it. 

As for ME3, it was indeed emotional to see Shepard die/vanish. But not the right kind of emotions. Sure it started in sadness, but for me who doesn't only care about emotions in a game/endings it soon lead to depression, then ultimately just dissapointed and angry. Because the endings themselves were terrible. They idn't make any sense, was barely any different (can't be consindered true multiple different endings) and was poorly made and scripted. 

[bleetman]

Wuppie wrote...

Wrong (imo), they have not sold you a toaster and delivered a kettle, or sold you a faulty motorbike. They sold you a story, albiet an interactive one which you didnt like the ending of.
One of my favourite authors (Raymond E Feist) is currently writing the final book of 20+ which is clearly going to kill off the main character(s), will I be happy with that? Probably not, will I be angry - HELL NO! Because it is his work to do with as he wishes.

If I were to purchase a toaster, I would expect certain things of it. I would expect, for instance, that it would toast bread. I expect a kettle to boil water. I expect a motorbike to function as a motorbike should. When I buy something with a strong narrative component - be it a game, a book, or film, or whatever - I have similar expectations. Primarily, I'm looking for consistency. I'm looking for story events that fit within the given setting and are handled in satisfying - if not always enjoyable - ways. I expect stories to make sense.

As far as I'm concerned, the ending options satisfied none of these criteria.

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm not angry at the ME3 endings because they were sad. Hell, mine wasn't actually sad. As far as I know, everybody from the These Are Major Characters list but one walked away still breathing. It wasn't a tragic ending, nor am I inevitably going to complain if it was. Instead, I found it an inconsistent, nonsensical and entirely unsatisfying mess. It offered no attempts at closure, or to demonstrate the effect of your choices earlier in the series. I'm angry, and I feel perfectly rational in being so.

Modifié par bleetman, 13 mars 2012 - 01:22 .

[Mx_CN3]

Savber100 wrote...

The game itself was great.

The ending was mediocre (not horrific as some of the people are saying) but was still poor especially with all that buildup.

See this is actually a good point.  From the general view of "game endings," the ending isn't actually that bad.  It's mediocre.  The problem is that it's the ending of three games, all of which have a reputation for fantastic stories.  I said earlier in a different thread (and apparently some major internet journalist said the same thing, and I had no idea): It's not that we feel that we deserve a better ending, it's that we feel that Mass Effect deserves a better ending.