6 réponses à ce sujet

[Rafe34]

 I'm sure I've missed some, feel free to add:

Plotholes in the Mass Effect 3 Ending.

*The Illusive Man
Where on earth did he come from? How did he get there? Was he hiding behind your forces the whole time, trying
to get through?

*Anderson
How did Anderson beat you to the beam? Why did the beam teleport him to a different place than it teleported you?

*The Catalyst
Do I really need to specify? His solution is: “I know that synthetics will eventually wipe out all organics if I don’t do something, so I made it so that every 50,000 years *we* will wipe out all advanced organics so that the synthetics can’t wipe out all advanced organics.” Also, if the Citadel was the Catalyst, then why does Sovereign need to take control of the Citadel in Mass Effect 1? Why can the Catalyst not simply let the Reapers through?

*The Pistol
The pistol that you pick up on your way to the beam has an unlimited clip, and doesn’t overheat. This is not possible in the ME universe as we have come to know it.

*The Citadel
Why are there a bunch of dead bodies around and yet the Keepers are still alive? How is Shep still able to breathe while talking to the catalyst? Mass effect fields do not explain this one. If it was that simple, then why would an Adept Shepard suffocate at the beginning of Mass Effect 2?

*The Normandy
Why are Joker and your crew running? They would never run and leave Shepard behind, especially not when a battle is being fought. Why does a blast of energy that controls the Reapers or the Synthesis option, make the Normandy crash? Why are there people on the Normandy who were also in your squad during the final push? They should be on earth, or dead from the Reaper’s attack. For that matter, your entire squad was assisting in the push, you can talk to all of them while on earth.

*Shepard
There is no way on earth for Shepard to have survived a fall back to earth, from space, without a helmet. Or with a helmet even. It’s not possible. Her body shouldn’t even be recognizable, and yet we see it take a breath? Ridiculous.

*The Mass Effect Relays
If a Relay explodes, according to Arrival, then it destroys the system it is in. There is no explanation given for why the god-child is able to destroy them using the Crucible without blowing up the entire system.

*The Quarians, Turians, and Krogans
These three species are all stranded in the Sol system now. Using conventional FTL travel it will take decades to make it back to their homeworlds. There is no way they have enough dextro-based food to make a journey of that magnitude. And a war-torn earth, home to people who don’t eat dextro-based food, certainly won’t be able to help. So all three fleets will die.

*The Destroy Option
The Geth are technically indistinguishable from computer programs. They are sentient, but using tech there is no way to tell them apart. Therefore, if the destroy option kills the geth, it will also destroy all electronics in the entire *galaxy*. This will, among many other problems, leave the fleets you just united unable to use even conventional FTL drive. They will starve in the Sol system.

*The Synthesis Option
Mass Effect, with one single exception, (the Reave power), has always been about science fiction, not science magic. Synthesis is science magic. There is simply no way for this to be explained. Every single being in the galaxy is now a mix of synth and organic life?  So the Geth now have organic DNA? This is simply ludicrous, not to mention completely impossible to pull off. Unless, of course, space magic is used.

*The Normandy Crew
They are doomed. Inbreeding will kill off the population on that garden world within a few short generations. Not to mention, either Garrus and Tali are going to starve to death in a few weeks, or the rest of the crew is. Unless they’re on some world that has both dextro and amino based food, which we have never heard of in the entire universe, and shouldn’t be scientifically possible. Unless of course, *waves hand* space magic. And even if that is the case, they’re still going to die off because of inbreeding.

*Shepard’s Last Thoughts
Are not of your LI, unless that LI is an LI from ME1. Garrus won’t show up for example. Why would a FemShep who was romantically involved with Garrus think of Joker, Anderson, and Liara?

Modifié par Rafe34, 12 mars 2012 - 11:29 .

[Spectre 117]

The pistol having unlimited ammo leads me to think that it may be the hallucination theory after all.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Oh, lord, am I really going to do this... Ok, I replied to all of these.  You should pay a little bit better attention, OP, most of these are oversights on your part.

Rafe34 wrote...

*The Illusive Man
Where on earth did he come from? How did he get there? Was he hiding behind your forces the whole time, trying
to get through?

He walked right in.  He's an indoctrinated agent of the Reapers.  A Reaper controlled Citadel is basically his club house.

*Anderson
How did Anderson beat you to the beam? Why did the beam teleport him to a different place than it teleported you?

He came in after you.  He said so.  The beam only puts so much refused in each bay, so the Keepers don't get overwhealmed in their processing.

*The Catalyst
Also, if the Citadel was the Catalyst, then why does Sovereign need to take control of the Citadel in Mass Effect 1? Why can the Catalyst not simply let the Reapers through?

The Catalyst was sleeping until organics managed to create the Crucible.  The crucible is error correction built into the Catalyst's original equation.  Once organics managed to build the Crucible, the Catalyst wanted to reevaluate its plan.  If organics couldn't build the Crucible, then the Catalyst knew the endlessly patient methodical god-machines would eventually kill all the organics.  Without Shepard, this cycle would have joined the Protheans in Hell.

*The Pistol
The pistol that you pick up on your way to the beam has an unlimited clip, and doesn’t overheat. This is not possible in the ME universe as we have come to know it.

Infinite pistol makes for a much more entertaining ending.  Fun >>>> Lame details.

*The Citadel
Why are there a bunch of dead bodies around and yet the Keepers are still alive? How is Shep still able to breathe while talking to the catalyst? Mass effect fields do not explain this one. If it was that simple, then why would an Adept Shepard suffocate at the beginning of Mass Effect 2?

Why would the Reapers kill the Keepers?  They're on the same side.  Mass Effect fields do explain the atmosphere in the final conversation.  Biotics can only do a few very specific things.  Saying a Biotic can generate a mass effect field like a starship suggests they can fly through space.

*The Normandy
Why are Joker and your crew running? They would never run and leave Shepard behind, especially not when a battle is being fought. Why does a blast of energy that controls the Reapers or the Synthesis option, make the Normandy crash? Why are there people on the Normandy who were also in your squad during the final push? They should be on earth, or dead from the Reaper’s attack. For that matter, your entire squad was assisting in the push, you can talk to all of them while on earth.

Listen to the audio right before Shepard wakes up burnt and battered.  The Alliance announces that the entire team that ran toward the beam is dead.  In fact, the Reaper that killed them takes a good look around and then the Reaper flys away.  If the Reaper, sitting a couple hundred yards away thinks that Shepard and the rest of Hammer are dead....  Why wouldn't people in orbit relying on radio traffic think Shepard was dead?  Joker swooped down (a case where swooping is good!) and snatched up everyone who was still alive.  They took off, probably heading for Tuchanka where there was still some freedom from the Reapers.

*Shepard
There is no way on earth for Shepard to have survived a fall back to earth, from space, without a helmet. Or with a helmet even. It’s not possible. Her body shouldn’t even be recognizable, and yet we see it take a breath? Ridiculous.

I only saw this ending once, but I don't believe she did fall back to earth, did she?  Please correct me if I'm wrong!  I believe she was still laying on the Citadel, wasn't she?

*The Mass Effect Relays
If a Relay explodes, according to Arrival, then it destroys the system it is in. There is no explanation given for why the god-child is able to destroy them using the Crucible without blowing up the entire system.

Controlled destruction of a nuclear missle is not the same as having the missle detonate.  Look up videos of controlled demolition and then look up videos of building collapsing.  That will illustrate the point.  The relays getting hit by an asteroid are not the same as what the Catalyst did.



The rest of your premises are flawed in one way or another, I just can't summon the energy to address them now.  FTL happens all the time.  Travel to other worlds won't take be decades, it will just be much longer than it used to.  Anyone with a omni-tool and a chemisty set should be able to make unappetizing, but nourishing food for the dextros eaters.  Digital DNA is totally possible.  There was a point in evolution when organic DNA didn't exist...

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 12 mars 2012 - 11:52 .

[Rafe34]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Oh, lord, am I really going to do this... Ok, I replied to all of these.  You should pay a little bit better attention, OP, most of these are oversights on your part.

Rafe34 wrote...

*The Illusive Man
Where on earth did he come from? How did he get there? Was he hiding behind your forces the whole time, trying
to get through?

He walked right in.  He's an indoctrinated agent of the Reapers.  A Reaper controlled Citadel is basically his club house.

*Anderson
How did Anderson beat you to the beam? Why did the beam teleport him to a different place than it teleported you?

He came in after you.  He said so.  The beam only puts so much refused in each bay, so the Keepers don't get overwhealmed in their processing.

*The Catalyst
Also, if the Citadel was the Catalyst, then why does Sovereign need to take control of the Citadel in Mass Effect 1? Why can the Catalyst not simply let the Reapers through?

The Catalyst was sleeping until organics managed to create the Crucible.  The crucible is error correction built into the Catalyst's original equation.  Once organics managed to build the Crucible, the Catalyst wanted to reevaluate its plan.  If organics couldn't build the Crucible, then the Catalyst knew the endlessly patient methodical god-machines would eventually kill all the organics.  Without Shepard, this cycle would have joined the Protheans in Hell.

*The Pistol
The pistol that you pick up on your way to the beam has an unlimited clip, and doesn’t overheat. This is not possible in the ME universe as we have come to know it.

Infinite pistol makes for a much more entertaining ending.  Fun >>>> Lame details.

*The Citadel
Why are there a bunch of dead bodies around and yet the Keepers are still alive? How is Shep still able to breathe while talking to the catalyst? Mass effect fields do not explain this one. If it was that simple, then why would an Adept Shepard suffocate at the beginning of Mass Effect 2?

Why would the Reapers kill the Keepers?  They're on the same side.  Mass Effect fields do explain the atmosphere in the final conversation.  Biotics can only do a few very specific things.  Saying a Biotic can generate a mass effect field like a starship suggests they can fly through space.

*The Normandy
Why are Joker and your crew running? They would never run and leave Shepard behind, especially not when a battle is being fought. Why does a blast of energy that controls the Reapers or the Synthesis option, make the Normandy crash? Why are there people on the Normandy who were also in your squad during the final push? They should be on earth, or dead from the Reaper’s attack. For that matter, your entire squad was assisting in the push, you can talk to all of them while on earth.

Listen to the audio right before Shepard wakes up burnt and battered.  The Alliance announces that the entire team that ran toward the beam is dead.  In fact, the Reaper that killed them takes a good look around and then the Reaper flys away.  If the Reaper, sitting a couple hundred yards away thinks that Shepard and the rest of Hammer are dead....  Why wouldn't people in orbit relying on radio traffic think Shepard was dead?  Joker swooped down (a case where swooping is good!) and snatched up everyone who was still alive.  They took off, probably heading for Tuchanka where there was still some freedom from the Reapers.

*Shepard
There is no way on earth for Shepard to have survived a fall back to earth, from space, without a helmet. Or with a helmet even. It’s not possible. Her body shouldn’t even be recognizable, and yet we see it take a breath? Ridiculous.

I only saw this ending once, but I don't believe she did fall back to earth, did she?  Please correct me if I'm wrong!  I believe she was still laying on the Citadel, wasn't she?

*The Mass Effect Relays
If a Relay explodes, according to Arrival, then it destroys the system it is in. There is no explanation given for why the god-child is able to destroy them using the Crucible without blowing up the entire system.

Controlled destruction of a nuclear missle is not the same as having the missle detonate.  Look up videos of controlled demolition and then look up videos of building collapsing.  That will illustrate the point.  The relays getting hit by an asteroid are not the same as what the Catalyst did.



The rest of your premises are flawed in one way or another, I just can't summon the energy to address them now.  FTL happens all the time.  Travel to other worlds won't take be decades, it will just be much longer than it used to.  Anyone with a omni-tool and a chemisty set should be able to make unappetizing, but nourishing food for the dextros eaters.  Digital DNA is totally possible.  There was a point in evolution when organic DNA didn't exist...

Do you have any support at all for your opinion here? Anything that that, you know, the game actually told us? Or are you just using your imagination to try to fix it?

The Citadel blows up, if you watch the ending. 

You assume its controlled destruction, but we're never told why it doesn't blow up the system. The one time we see it happened in ME, it destroys the entire system.

Since when can an omnitool create food? Nothing in here says anything about that. http://masseffect.wi...wiki/Omni-tools 

Joker wouldn't RUN AWAY from a fight, even MORE SO if he thought Shep was killed. That's not Joker, that's completely OOC. Not to mention the radio says that everyone is dead, and no one made it, yet Garrus stepped out of the Normandy in mine, and he was in my final squad. He should have been looking a bit worse for the wear since the Reaper beam hit him, if not fried to a crisp.

He just swooped in and picked everyone? Right through the entirety of the Reaper forces? Riiight.

Shepard is lying in a pile of concrete. The Citadel isn't made of concrete. Therefore, she's on earth. Which is not possible.

Of course digital DNA is possible. What is not possible is for him to... what? Fuse all organic and synthetic life together then separate them back into entities? I honestly have no clue how Synthesis was supposed to do what he claimed it would do.

Why does Shep just give up and accept the leader of the Reaper's options?

So, what, TIM was just lurking around the whole time? Why does the beam lead you directly to the heart of the Citadel without any guards at all? It's supposed to pick up human leaders so that they can be indoctrinated, there would have been resistance.

Shep should not be able to breathe given where he is on the Citadel and th fact that the arms are closed. See: Ending of Mass Effect 1.

Why does an infinite pistol make for a more fun when you have to kill all of four things Why couldn't they just make a normal pistol? That makes no sense at all.

Again, citations please. Where do you get that the Catalyst was... sleeping, especially if its the one supposed to be in control of the Reapers, lol.

It wasn't controlled detonation, he just sent a beam of energy at them. Again, citation. Nothing in the game is given to us to explain this.

As for your explanation of Anderson: again, citation.

For a person who claims that I overlooked a lot of things, you sure are pulling a bunch of stuff out of your ass.

It honestly floors me how anyone at all can defend these endings as if they make sense, lol.

[SyyRaaaN]

Eh... The AI kid says that hi is the Catalyst and that the Citadel is a part of him. Yet he also states that he lives on the Citadel. So he lives in a part of himself.

?_?

[lazyshmuk]

These are all good points. There are a few I can brush off and some that hinder my ability to appreciate the end of the game....
The end really just separated from the rest of the game on too many levels.
Why doesn't Shepard fight for his beliefs and gives in to the Catalyst?
If your team vaporized in front of your eyes, why are they on the Normandy? W
hy is the Normandy in an FTL jump?
What happens in the Mass Effect universe after you've made your choice?
Why do the Mass Relays blow up when you choose to control the Reapers?
Where did TIM come from, it seemed like a room that didn't have any exit except where you came from.
How did Anderson show up in a different room than you and then somehow show up at the end of the line, on a linear level design?
Why did the Mass Relays not destroy the galaxy when they blew up? Ripples could be seen for millions of miles.
Why did Casey Hudson give us so many choices to make when the end was the same regardless of what we did in our journey to the end? Even the different end choices led to the same end...
I'm...confused about how to feel about this...on some level I'm okay with Shepard giving up his life...but the consequences of those actions leave everyone in a worse place...In the end the Reapers really did win and the cycle wont repeat, because underdeveloped life will not be able to live like the advanced races did when they came to their end, when they become more advanced because there are no Mass Relays anymore. They will all be confined to their own systems. Maybe I'm just thinking too hard about this....Someone feel free to respond and let me know it's okay to be angry or if I'm just putting too much thought into this...