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[Ozzy57]

detroitmechworks wrote...

Zanallen wrote...
You can't have a pomegranite. Bioware designed the fruit bowl with only apples, oranges and pears in mind. Unfortunately, that is the nature of designing fruit choices in advance. Now, you can ask for a pomegranite, and Bioware may just go out and get you one, but it isn't included in the initial fruit bowl price. You'll need to pay extra.

But Casey Hudson SAID I was going to get a Pomegranite!  And a Pineapple...

And that we could flavor said fruits any particular way we wanted...

They just ran out of time to pick fruit and hoped nobody would notice, methinks.

I think EA came in and said give them different color grapes we don't have time for this

[Jackal7713]

Sublyminal wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

Different colors do not equal different choices!

That's like saying the ending of DAO didn't have different choices. Oh but the archdemon dies and Ferelden is saved no matter what you choose.

What exactly do you want? An epilogue text scroll that reminds you of what choices you made?

"The Quarians were all wiped out in the battle against the Geth. Not a single member of their race survived."

Oh wait...You should know that because you made the damn choice.

It's no use arguing with you, you're a blind fanboy.  

Because people don;t argee with him, he's a rude little hater. oh well.

No it's not his opinions that make him a blind fanboy, it's the fact that he can't see that all three endings ARE thesame, no matter how you look at it, crap is crap.  All that changes is a couple of variables, big whoop.

I'm tired of people telling me I should like an ending that is a plotholed piece of crap. After 3 games and 5 years to be given that ending makes me "mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.":devil:

[Goober2049]

Zanallen wrote...

You do know how video games work, right? The developers create a series of situations that you play through. Some games, like ME3, allow you to make decisions from a number of different choices which then lead to different situations. ME3 absolutely allows you to craft your own story from the parameters set out for you. All the way up to the ending where you make your final choice from three different options. You then get the ending of the game which is different based on that final choice along with slight variations depening on your EMS (A parameter effected by all of your previous choices and actions within the game). Did you think you were going to be writing a fanfiction that Bioware was then going to design into a game or something?

It's your own story until the end, at which point how Shepard reacts to what he/she is being told is taken away from you.

My Shepard wouldn't have accepted any of the choices given to her. She would have called bull**** on the "catalyst" because she got the Geth and the Quarians to work together. Joker and EDI fell in love with each other. Yet somehow even though I've managed what everyone thought was impossible, I'm not even allowed to refute the catalyst with facts about what I've managed to do. I'm forced to accept what it says and choose one of 3 choices that all end terribly without even any closure.

I don't know what happened to all those people I went out of my way to help. I don't know anything about what happened to anyone with the exception of Joker, Liara (my love interest) and Garrus, all of whom are way too happy about what just happened.

The only thing I do know is that I may or may not be alive and that my squad abandoned me when I needed them most. That's not just sad or tragic, that's outright betrayal.

As said by others, I don't need a sunshine and rainbows ending. I want an ending that at least makes sense and shows me what happened because of all the effort I put into the series. If I'm going to sacrifice myself for the greater good of all, I want to see that I did actually save these people, regardless of the state they are going to be in for the next X amount of time.

[Zanallen]

Sublyminal wrote...

No it's not his opinions that make him a blind fanboy, it's the fact that he can't see that all three endings ARE thesame, no matter how you look at it, crap is crap.  All that changes is a couple of variables, big whoop.

The reason I don't see all of the endings as the same is because they are not all the same. All the same would be if you destroyed the reapers no matter what or earth was destroyed no matter what or Shepard dies no matter what. The only thing that happens in every single ending is that a beam of light shots out and the mass effect relays shut down and the Normandy crashes on an unknown planet. That's it. The fates of the reapers, earth, the galaxy as a whole, Shepard...Those are all up for grabs.

[Tequila Man]

Ozzy57 wrote...

detroitmechworks wrote...

Zanallen wrote...
You can't have a pomegranite. Bioware designed the fruit bowl with only apples, oranges and pears in mind. Unfortunately, that is the nature of designing fruit choices in advance. Now, you can ask for a pomegranite, and Bioware may just go out and get you one, but it isn't included in the initial fruit bowl price. You'll need to pay extra.

But Casey Hudson SAID I was going to get a Pomegranite!  And a Pineapple...

And that we could flavor said fruits any particular way we wanted...

They just ran out of time to pick fruit and hoped nobody would notice, methinks.

I think EA came in and said give them different color grapes we don't have time for this

But, even different grapes make different wines at different pressures and ages and.... wait, what the hell is with the fruit analogies? Stop it. All of us.



THE ENDINGS ARE NOT DIFFERENT. ONE HAS WIRES. THE OTHERS DO NOT. In regards to our personal experience, the endings do not bring closure. At all. Zero. None. Nada. Zip. Zilcho. El Zilcho Maximum.

Modifié par Tequila Man, 13 mars 2012 - 01:25 .

[HKR148]

Zanallen wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

No it's not his opinions that make him a blind fanboy, it's the fact that he can't see that all three endings ARE thesame, no matter how you look at it, crap is crap.  All that changes is a couple of variables, big whoop.

The reason I don't see all of the endings as the same is because they are not all the same. All the same would be if you destroyed the reapers no matter what or earth was destroyed no matter what or Shepard dies no matter what. The only thing that happens in every single ending is that a beam of light shots out and the mass effect relays shut down and the Normandy crashes on an unknown planet. That's it. The fates of the reapers, earth, the galaxy as a whole, Shepard...Those are all up for grabs.

Every single ending contains an element of 'individual/societal fatalism', most of the customers before the release expected the conclusion of ME franchise contain variation of endings with different philosophical conclusion. The problem is the lack of variance in terms of what sort of philosophy the ending is trying to deliver.

[johhnytrash]

How can it get only 2.5 stars? All the critics LOVED it! I mean, the customers hated it, but who cares about those plebes.

[Zanallen]

Jackal7713 wrote...

I'm tired of people telling me I should like an ending that is a plotholed piece of crap. After 3 games and 5 years to be given that ending makes me "mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.":devil:

You can hate the endings. That's your perogative. You can hate them with the fiery passion of a thousand suns. I don't give a damn. However, you can't say that all of the endings were the same and that there were no choices. There are different endings. Your choices directly effect those endings. That's all I am saying.

[Tequila Man]

johhnytrash wrote...

How can it get only 2.5 stars? All the critics LOVED it! I mean, the customers hated it, but who cares about those plebes.

Teehee.

[Ozzy57]

Zanallen wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

No it's not his opinions that make him a blind fanboy, it's the fact that he can't see that all three endings ARE thesame, no matter how you look at it, crap is crap.  All that changes is a couple of variables, big whoop.

The reason I don't see all of the endings as the same is because they are not all the same. All the same would be if you destroyed the reapers no matter what or earth was destroyed no matter what or Shepard dies no matter what. The only thing that happens in every single ending is that a beam of light shots out and the mass effect relays shut down and the Normandy crashes on an unknown planet. That's it. The fates of the reapers, earth, the galaxy as a whole, Shepard...Those are all up for grabs.

Is the cutscene at the end the same crew you had with you on the last mission, in either flavor of crap you pick? how do they get hit by the beam then take such a graceful crash landing and come out all fine in all 3 endings?

[Kloborgg711]

Zanallen wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

No it's not his opinions that make him a blind fanboy, it's the fact that he can't see that all three endings ARE thesame, no matter how you look at it, crap is crap.  All that changes is a couple of variables, big whoop.

The reason I don't see all of the endings as the same is because they are not all the same. All the same would be if you destroyed the reapers no matter what or earth was destroyed no matter what or Shepard dies no matter what. The only thing that happens in every single ending is that a beam of light shots out and the mass effect relays shut down and the Normandy crashes on an unknown planet. That's it. The fates of the reapers, earth, the galaxy as a whole, Shepard...Those are all up for grabs.

OK, I concede, Mass Effect has 3 endings.
Halo Reach also has a few hundred endings. Think of all the different ways you can make your spartan look!

[Faded-Myth]

Giving the game a **** score just because the ending isn't satisfactory is an incredibly poor method of getting the point across. Rather than rationally expressing grief and disappointment, it just makes you look like a radical who cant differentiate between an intelligent protest and childish outbursts.

And the game deserves an extremely high score for its impeccable story and gameplay. It shouldn't be treated that way when it deserves the opposite.

[Sublyminal]

Zanallen wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

No it's not his opinions that make him a blind fanboy, it's the fact that he can't see that all three endings ARE thesame, no matter how you look at it, crap is crap.  All that changes is a couple of variables, big whoop.

The reason I don't see all of the endings as the same is because they are not all the same. All the same would be if you destroyed the reapers no matter what or earth was destroyed no matter what or Shepard dies no matter what. The only thing that happens in every single ending is that a beam of light shots out and the mass effect relays shut down and the Normandy crashes on an unknown planet. That's it. The fates of the reapers, earth, the galaxy as a whole, Shepard...Those are all up for grabs.

The only thing that changes is the colors that the citadel shoots out. I mean hell, dude... where is the Renegade Shepard that I made? The one that says "You know what star child? **** you, You'll either call off your attack dogs and let us live in peace, or I'll kill you all no matter how long it takes. I wont bend to your will, I wont do what you want me to do"

[Tequila Man]

Zanallen wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

I'm tired of people telling me I should like an ending that is a plotholed piece of crap. After 3 games and 5 years to be given that ending makes me "mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.":devil:

You can hate the endings. That's your perogative. You can hate them with the fiery passion of a thousand suns. I don't give a damn. However, you can't say that all of the endings were the same and that there were no choices. There are different endings. Your choices directly effect those endings. That's all I am saying.

How? The ONLY difference between the endings and "choices" is that some people die. We don't know who. We don't exactly how. They just died. Billions starve to death as the Mass Relays shatter, the peaceful Geth are destroyed, as are all biotics, the Quarians, and anyone else who, oh, I dunno, had life-saving surgery using synthetic materials.

[Ozzy57]

Faded-Myth wrote...

Giving the game a **** score just because the ending isn't satisfactory is an incredibly poor method of getting the point across. Rather than rationally expressing grief and disappointment, it just makes you look like a radical who cant differentiate between an intelligent protest and childish outbursts.

And the game deserves an extremely high score for its impeccable story and gameplay. It shouldn't be treated that way when it deserves the opposite.

If the ending of a movie sucks do you not tell your friends to not see it?

[detroitmechworks]

As I've said before... this is a major:

But other than THAT, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

[Dark Specie]

Sublyminal wrote...

Ozzy57 wrote...

So what's the difference between playing all 3 games and just playing ME3?

The endings hurt less... a lot less.

There's that, I guess. Bah. Bioware could've gotten away much more easily with this ending had ME3 been a standalone game like JE. But they had to pull this ridiculous thing right at the end of an amazing TRILOGY! 

[Tequila Man]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

No it's not his opinions that make him a blind fanboy, it's the fact that he can't see that all three endings ARE thesame, no matter how you look at it, crap is crap.  All that changes is a couple of variables, big whoop.

The reason I don't see all of the endings as the same is because they are not all the same. All the same would be if you destroyed the reapers no matter what or earth was destroyed no matter what or Shepard dies no matter what. The only thing that happens in every single ending is that a beam of light shots out and the mass effect relays shut down and the Normandy crashes on an unknown planet. That's it. The fates of the reapers, earth, the galaxy as a whole, Shepard...Those are all up for grabs.

OK, I concede, Mass Effect has 3 endings.
Halo Reach also has a few hundred endings. Think of all the different ways you can make your spartan look!

They promised me Halo Reach DLC to make my armor lime, cherry, or blueberry. 

[Jackal7713]

Tequila Man wrote...

Ozzy57 wrote...

detroitmechworks wrote...

Zanallen wrote...
You can't have a pomegranite. Bioware designed the fruit bowl with only apples, oranges and pears in mind. Unfortunately, that is the nature of designing fruit choices in advance. Now, you can ask for a pomegranite, and Bioware may just go out and get you one, but it isn't included in the initial fruit bowl price. You'll need to pay extra.

But Casey Hudson SAID I was going to get a Pomegranite!  And a Pineapple...

And that we could flavor said fruits any particular way we wanted...

They just ran out of time to pick fruit and hoped nobody would notice, methinks.

I think EA came in and said give them different color grapes we don't have time for this

But, even different grapes make different wines at different pressures and ages and.... wait, what the hell is with the fruit analogies? Stop it. All of us.



THE ENDINGS ARE NOT DIFFERENT. ONE HAS WIRES. THE OTHERS DO NOT. In regards to our personal experience, the endings do not bring closure. At all. Zero. None. Nada. Zip. Zilcho. El Zilcho Maximum.

AMEN!!!

[TheKillerAngel]

Knight Terror wrote...

Wow. ME3 is taking a beating on the Amazon reviews.

That beating only started when people began to finish the game. Before that it was hovering high at 4-5.

[MA5Bergey]

Faded-Myth wrote...

Giving the game a **** score just because the ending isn't satisfactory is an incredibly poor method of getting the point across. Rather than rationally expressing grief and disappointment, it just makes you look like a radical who cant differentiate between an intelligent protest and childish outbursts.

And the game deserves an extremely high score for its impeccable story and gameplay. It shouldn't be treated that way when it deserves the opposite.

Giving the game a bad score because of the bad ending is perfectly acceptable when the error in question was so grievous that it sours your perception of the whole experience.  You know what?  I loved the whole game.  Even with the auto dialogue, even with the DLC, I played the **** out of the game, couldn't put it down, and thought it was one of the best games I've ever played.  Then I played through the ending, and it was literally so bad, that here I am, almost a week later, and all I can think about when I think of the game, is the ending.  Ask me my how my gut feels when I think of the game, and it is wrenching.  

[Sublyminal]

Tequila Man wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

No it's not his opinions that make him a blind fanboy, it's the fact that he can't see that all three endings ARE thesame, no matter how you look at it, crap is crap.  All that changes is a couple of variables, big whoop.

The reason I don't see all of the endings as the same is because they are not all the same. All the same would be if you destroyed the reapers no matter what or earth was destroyed no matter what or Shepard dies no matter what. The only thing that happens in every single ending is that a beam of light shots out and the mass effect relays shut down and the Normandy crashes on an unknown planet. That's it. The fates of the reapers, earth, the galaxy as a whole, Shepard...Those are all up for grabs.

OK, I concede, Mass Effect has 3 endings.
Halo Reach also has a few hundred endings. Think of all the different ways you can make your spartan look!

They promised me Halo Reach DLC to make my armor lime, cherry, or blueberry. 

LOL dude you rock.

[Zanallen]

Well, I'm going to bow out for now. I have an exam tomorrow and I should really be studying for it. I'm just leaving this here before someone comments on how I chickened out or left because I know I am wrong or some such other nonsense. Back to Nursing 11.

[Ozzy57]

Zanallen wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

I'm tired of people telling me I should like an ending that is a plotholed piece of crap. After 3 games and 5 years to be given that ending makes me "mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.":devil:

You can hate the endings. That's your perogative. You can hate them with the fiery passion of a thousand suns. I don't give a damn. However, you can't say that all of the endings were the same and that there were no choices. There are different endings. Your choices directly effect those endings. That's all I am saying.

Your right its like me saying I'll give you $20 you can have 4 5's, 2 10's or 1 20. isn't it all the same?

[Tequila Man]

Welp, without someone to yell at I'm at a loss. Hmmm...


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