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[Ronnocloki]

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The only thing that changes is the colors that the citadel shoots out. I mean hell, dude... where is the Renegade Shepard that I made? The one that says "You know what star child? **** you, You'll either call off your attack dogs and let us live in peace, or I'll kill you all no matter how long it takes. I wont bend to your will, I wont do what you want me to do"


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For that matter where's my Paragon Shepard who points out all the flaws in the Catalysts logic, gives him a rousing speech and convinces/forces him to come around.

[LilyasAvalon]

I went to my local EB Games, they had a Collector's Edition PC copy in the window for $80. The original price of the CE was $108. The manager assured me there was more.

...It was somewhat sad, I could've waited and paid much less damnit!

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 13 mars 2012 - 01:35 .

[detroitmechworks]

Ronnocloki wrote...

For that matter where's my Paragon Shepard who points out all the flaws in the Catalysts logic, gives him a rousing speech and convinces/forces him to come around.

He... died.... Lions Ate him.

[Faded-Myth]

MA5Bergey wrote...

Faded-Myth wrote...

Giving the game a **** score just because the ending isn't satisfactory is an incredibly poor method of getting the point across. Rather than rationally expressing grief and disappointment, it just makes you look like a radical who cant differentiate between an intelligent protest and childish outbursts.

And the game deserves an extremely high score for its impeccable story and gameplay. It shouldn't be treated that way when it deserves the opposite.

Giving the game a bad score because of the bad ending is perfectly acceptable when the error in question was so grievous that it sours your perception of the whole experience.  You know what?  I loved the whole game.  Even with the auto dialogue, even with the DLC, I played the **** out of the game, couldn't put it down, and thought it was one of the best games I've ever played.  Then I played through the ending, and it was literally so bad, that here I am, almost a week later, and all I can think about when I think of the game, is the ending.  Ask me my how my gut feels when I think of the game, and it is wrenching.  

And that's why this forums exists. Writing and explaining your reasons here and directly writing to Bioware is more effectove than rating a game on Amazon 2.5 just because the finale soured it for you. At thet point you're no longer taking the entire game into account, you're just taking your anger out on a review for the sake of spreading that sourness. The goal here is to try and gain the attention of the developer and improve the game, not destroy it even further. I'm in the same boat as you, I just prefer a different method.

[Ozzy57]

no space magic?

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

Funny how I'm usually all about endings and stuff but I've tried to take an existentialist approach to things, because many things out there don't end well, but the journey is good at least. Not that ME3 and its loyal fans don't deserve better.

Modifié par THEE_DEATHMASTER, 13 mars 2012 - 01:40 .

[Faded-Myth]

Ozzy57 wrote...

Faded-Myth wrote...

Giving the game a **** score just because the ending isn't satisfactory is an incredibly poor method of getting the point across. Rather than rationally expressing grief and disappointment, it just makes you look like a radical who cant differentiate between an intelligent protest and childish outbursts.

And the game deserves an extremely high score for its impeccable story and gameplay. It shouldn't be treated that way when it deserves the opposite.

If the ending of a movie sucks do you not tell your friends to not see it?

Actually no, because I don't make the presumption that my opinion will be the same as there's. If I liked the film but hated the ending, that's how I'll word it. I won't say "The ending disappointed me, you'll hate the film." I'll caution them about what to expect with the resolution and let them see it for themselves.

[Ozzy57]

Faded-Myth wrote...

Ozzy57 wrote...

Faded-Myth wrote...

Giving the game a **** score just because the ending isn't satisfactory is an incredibly poor method of getting the point across. Rather than rationally expressing grief and disappointment, it just makes you look like a radical who cant differentiate between an intelligent protest and childish outbursts.

And the game deserves an extremely high score for its impeccable story and gameplay. It shouldn't be treated that way when it deserves the opposite.

If the ending of a movie sucks do you not tell your friends to not see it?

Actually no, because I don't make the presumption that my opinion will be the same as there's. If I liked the film but hated the ending, that's how I'll word it. I won't say "The ending disappointed me, you'll hate the film." I'll caution them about what to expect with the resolution and let them see it for themselves.

You won't say to you the ending ruined the film?

Modifié par Ozzy57, 13 mars 2012 - 01:41 .

[Pandora]

Snap the reviews are woah. I'm an Amazon prime member maybe I should write one. The CE definitely dropped in price oh boy. I too, should of waited, but need to get Insanity done is more of a like ya...let me play something else..

[Bullseye_Sally]

neubourn wrote...

Amdnro wrote...

The author of this incredibly written article was right.

Im confused. The link is to Amazon, where it still lists ME3 as $59.99. What is this price drop everyone is talking about?

( i checked Gamestop, Walmart.com, Origin store...same thing: $59.99)

If you look at the other sellers you can buy the game from new that's where the price drop is.  Every where else it's still $60.

[Sublyminal]

Ozzy57 wrote...

Faded-Myth wrote...

Ozzy57 wrote...

Faded-Myth wrote...

Giving the game a **** score just because the ending isn't satisfactory is an incredibly poor method of getting the point across. Rather than rationally expressing grief and disappointment, it just makes you look like a radical who cant differentiate between an intelligent protest and childish outbursts.

And the game deserves an extremely high score for its impeccable story and gameplay. It shouldn't be treated that way when it deserves the opposite.

If the ending of a movie sucks do you not tell your friends to not see it?

Actually no, because I don't make the presumption that my opinion will be the same as there's. If I liked the film but hated the ending, that's how I'll word it. I won't say "The ending disappointed me, you'll hate the film." I'll caution them about what to expect with the resolution and let them see it for themselves.

You won't say to you the ending ruined the film?

I wish somebody had ruined Devil Inside and Chronicle 2012 for me... my God.....

[TheGoddess0fWar]

All your decisions up to this point has lead to this...

What color would you like to die in commander shepard?
Choose carefully. They are all different.
Oh wait, no they are not.

[Faded-Myth]

Ozzy57 wrote...

Faded-Myth wrote...

Ozzy57 wrote...

Faded-Myth wrote...

Giving the game a **** score just because the ending isn't satisfactory is an incredibly poor method of getting the point across. Rather than rationally expressing grief and disappointment, it just makes you look like a radical who cant differentiate between an intelligent protest and childish outbursts.

And the game deserves an extremely high score for its impeccable story and gameplay. It shouldn't be treated that way when it deserves the opposite.

If the ending of a movie sucks do you not tell your friends to not see it?

Actually no, because I don't make the presumption that my opinion will be the same as there's. If I liked the film but hated the ending, that's how I'll word it. I won't say "The ending disappointed me, you'll hate the film." I'll caution them about what to expect with the resolution and let them see it for themselves.

You won't say to you the ending ruined the film?

Only if it ruined the film, I will. But that's not the point I'm getting at. What I'm conveying is that I don't force my opinion on others. I won't ever say to someone "The ending sucked and destroyed the film, don't see it". I'll say "I hated the ending and I didn't like the film. Don't expect to be amazed."

With Mass Effect 3, I still love the game. Best game I've ever played. Sure, I agree that the ending needs to be redone or expanded on, but I still want people to experience Mass Effect. More importantly, I want the game to be successful and I want it to get a chance to be concluded the way it deserves to be.

[EvilChani]

detroitmechworks wrote...

Zanallen wrote...
You can't have a pomegranite. Bioware designed the fruit bowl with only apples, oranges and pears in mind. Unfortunately, that is the nature of designing fruit choices in advance. Now, you can ask for a pomegranite, and Bioware may just go out and get you one, but it isn't included in the initial fruit bowl price. You'll need to pay extra.

But Casey Hudson SAID I was going to get a Pomegranite!  And a Pineapple...

And that we could flavor said fruits any particular way we wanted...

They just ran out of time to pick fruit and hoped nobody would notice, methinks.

They ran out of time because all they gave a crap about was attracting the mindless shooter fans (and no, I'm not saying all shooter fans are mindless, so those of you ready to get your panties in a wad, unwad them and take a breath) with the coop portion of the game and made a conscious decision to say the hell with the RPG fans who had poured hundreds of hours into this series in order to have each of our characters "just so" in order for the end. So what if we don't want to play single player anymore because the game was too depressing and the ending sucked? They have tons of little 12-year-olds bouncing over the fact that they get to shoot things with their buddies and don't have to actually make choices in the game that matter...they can just click on through that and get to more shootin'.

I had this worry when they went on and on about the shooting aspects in ME2 before they released it...I shut up, played the game, and ended up liking it for the most part, despite the fact that I felt the RPG aspects were decreased in favor of hurrying to the next shooting scene (planet scanning was BioWare's "screw you, take that" to those of us who thought the RPG elements were decreasing and I don't think anyone liked it). I had fears about ME3 when they kept talking about "streamlining" again, and when they said the new "veteran" would be the old "normal" (gotta pacify the little children who whine about games being too easy, after all!), and when I heard there would be a coop, common sense told me not to buy this piece of crap of a game. I blew off common sense and bought it. I regret it greatly because now it is painfully apparent that the story suffered because all they cared about was the coop.

The decisions I took great care making in the other two games mean nothing. The time I spent listening to yammering about calibrating in hopes there'd be new dialogue were fruitless...I may as well have not bothered talking to my squadmates in the other two for all the effect it had in this one. This game, despite a few heart-wrenching scenes (all but one of which where it seemed my Shepard really had no choice in the outcome) and a couple of scenes that made me smile, seemed like nothing but a shooter with detailed cutscenes that played out the same way no matter what dialogue I chose for my Shepard. It was...futile. And empty. And the endings (which I've watched online because I refuse to finish this screwover of a game and stopped as soon as that bastard Kai Leng was dead) make the whole journey pointless. I loved replaying the first two games. Now? Not only will I never finish ME3 (unless they find a solution to this ******** of an ending), I'll never touch anything in the series again. Life can be painful and depressing enough...I don't need it in my supposed entertainment. I'd rather go back to Skyrim, wander aimlessly, and slaughter every Thalmor I see. That, at least, is satisfying. 

[EvilChani]

detroitmechworks wrote...

As I've said before... this is a major:

But other than THAT, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

ROTFLMAO! Pointless post here, but I had to let you know that your comparison is accurate and hilarious. Thanks for the laugh. 

[Sublyminal]

Star Child: Choose a color any color...
Shepard: Black
SC: Uuuhhh... that color isn't available you only have three choices, red, blue and green.
S: But you said I could choose any color...
SC: Just pick a damned color, you're gonna die either way.

[Oni Changas]

MA5Bergey wrote...
Giving the game a bad score because of the bad ending is perfectly acceptable when the error in question was so grievous that it sours your perception of the whole experience.  You know what?  I loved the whole game.  Even with the auto dialogue, even with the DLC, I played the **** out of the game, couldn't put it down, and thought it was one of the best games I've ever played.  Then I played through the ending, and it was literally so bad, that here I am, almost a week later, and all I can think about when I think of the game, is the ending.  Ask me my how my gut feels when I think of the game, and it is wrenching.  

EXACTLY my thoughts on the game and this debacle. I'm going through a second playthrough anyway, but the magic of the first is gone completely and my renegade playthrough is tainted.

[detroitmechworks]

The endings all make complete sense....

Provided you've made heavy use of your emergency induction straw... PORT!

[Alamar2078]

ChaosMarky wrote...

Geez, even though i hate the ending, the game still deserves a higher score than that! C'mon guys, this is going too far..

The first 95% of the game is a 5 star game [easily].  I would even say the ME series up to that point was THE benchmark for SCI FI RPGs.  The ending though has such a negative impact that 2 stars [for the SP campaign] is perfectly fine.

I could make an arguement for ZERO stars simply because the ending brought emotional pain to not just a few but many of the players that loved this series the most.   If a game causes you pain how can you rate it higher than 2 stars??   Really???

[Whybother]

We have a gaming DL at work, and there were a crapton of these selling for $30 today.

[Wattoes]

detroitmechworks wrote...

The endings all make complete sense....

Provided you've made heavy use of your emergency induction straw... PORT!

hahaha we have a winner.

Thats probably why the price is dropping.  So people can spend it on a bottle of vodka to make sense of the ending.

[Sentr0]

detroitmechworks wrote...

The endings all make complete sense....

Provided you've made heavy use of your emergency induction straw... PORT!

*me clicking like button*

[Balmung31]

OniTYME wrote...

MA5Bergey wrote...
Giving the game a bad score because of the bad ending is perfectly acceptable when the error in question was so grievous that it sours your perception of the whole experience.  You know what?  I loved the whole game.  Even with the auto dialogue, even with the DLC, I played the **** out of the game, couldn't put it down, and thought it was one of the best games I've ever played.  Then I played through the ending, and it was literally so bad, that here I am, almost a week later, and all I can think about when I think of the game, is the ending.  Ask me my how my gut feels when I think of the game, and it is wrenching.  

EXACTLY my thoughts on the game and this debacle. I'm going through a second playthrough anyway, but the magic of the first is gone completely and my renegade playthrough is tainted.

You are a better man than I, sir.  I simply cannot even THINK of playing any part of the trilogy. 

It's soured me that much. 

Modifié par Balmung31, 13 mars 2012 - 02:22 .

[Voidster]

its no different than SWOTS 2. they released it in an unplayable state, ticked off the community. However...Kerb kept talking to people, reassuring them, provided feedback. Here it is 5 months or so later and its almost to the 1.0 status and runs well.

I really want to give bioware the benefit of the doubt. Hoping they have some ace up the sleeve with DLC or maybe the cmdr is revived (if you had 5k effective GA) for ME4.

bioware needs to tell the community whats up, and they need to do it soon.

[Beldamon]

I see a lot of comments from people saying giving bad reviews just for the end of the game is wrong.

I think before the Dragon Age 2 debacle, I would would have agreed wholeheartedly. 'The joy is in the journey' is not just a sentiment, it is a lifestyle.

Fans responded [to Dragon Age 2] by giving less than perfect reviews, and very little happened. No acknowledgement from the developers that there was anything wrong with the product other than a vague acknowledgement that maybe reusing levels as much as they did wasn't as good an idea as it originally seemed.

That experience with DA2, and the overwhelmingly positive professional reviews for ME3 made me personally feel I had no choice, but to counteract that influence in the strongest way I could.

And no it wasn't in the least bit dishonest. If I find a fly in my soup, I am not going to ignore it and keep eating the soup. The soup might have been perfect otherwise but it's ruined and I expect the restaurant to make it right with me.

After they ignored reaction to Dragon Age 2, I had no faith they would take action unless backed into a corner.

Before you start feeling sorry for them, realize they have a golden opportunity here. If they find a way to handle this right, they could not only win their fans back, but come across as our heroes.

And make gaming history.

We are not bad people...all we are really asking is they hold themselves to the standards they've led us to expect of them.

I have been a longtime fan and customer of theirs, to the point I've tried out an MMO and a first person shooter (even though neither of those types of games really appealed to me before) just based on my positive replationship with them.

I agree the game pretty much deserves a 9/10 aside from the ending. About the only reason I took the point off is I felt the game was way too short -- both for the price I paid and compared with the previous two games.

But the ending is the fly in the soup, and until there is some resolution, 0/10.

Modifié par Beldamon, 13 mars 2012 - 02:35 .