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[TheGoddess0fWar]

Hey Bioware,

[Tony208]

New games are always available for 40-60 after release. And please don't give some nonsense 0/1 rating, even with the ending, you don't truely believe the game is that bad.

[ket_shee]

The ending affects a variety of facets of the games overall rating.

Replay value is essentially killed, by reading several peoples posts on how they can't bear to go through it again after seeing it end.

Concept wise, many see the ending as confirmation that this was merely to kill off the Mass Effect franchise.

And of course Entertainment value is affected when our story is left with too many questions and unresolved feelings.

Simply an unfortunate reality for any medium for fiction. Given a few more flaws I didn't mention, I'd say this game elicits at least 3.5, probably 4 stars on an Amazon rating scale.

[NordoCeltic]

Whether or not the end of this game ruins it all depends on what you came to the game for. Some people, myself included, came to this game seeking a good interactive story. Gameplay took a 2nd seat to that, and while the game play is good, it can't make up for the fact my experience was severely harmed by an ending I really didn't like.

I'm not sure I would low-ball the game, but I would give it a mediocre rating. The fact I noticed many bugs, and twice got soft-locked (aka session-ending bugs) didn't help either. The two largest bugs I found was I got soft locked in cockpit when talking to EDI, and the character rigs had no constraints on the neck, letting characters follow things until their heads turned to neck-breaking angles. Other rig problems caused characters to stare off into space instead of making eye contact occasionally in cinematic. Also the run-walk cycles were horrible. Like 1st year animation student horrible...

As a bug tester and an animation student I can actually speak with some authority on that topic.

I would give the game a 6 out of 10 honestly. I'm still mad at the end, I'm upset the endings are the same, and I'm sad not only that my shepard dies/gets seperatered forever from their lover, but also that I really don't know what happened too.... Everybody on the citidel, Hackett, Palavin, Thessia, or any other planet for that matter, where the normandy crashed, who the man and the kid in the epilague is, and what happens to hell..civilization after the end of that game.

I'm left to assume that following Shepard's final choice, we begin some kind post-apocalyptic waste land where civilization is reduced to its most basic form of tribal villages amid the ruins of a sci-fi era. Which for me, is far more depressing than watching my hero die. Sending humanity into a 2nd dark ages really killed it.

[SnakeSNMF]

... people seriously make the most ****ing closeminded reviews.


"OMG THE ENDING IS BAD, 2 STARS"

"OMG THE ENDING ROCKED ) 5 STARS!"

Really?
I think the ending sucked. A lot. And maybe if the ending was -improved- I'd give it five stars, but they'd also have to fix the glitches that came along with the game that came out and improve on somethings.
I give it a four, because I'm not a closeminded person.

:|

[Primalrose]

This is really sad. Okay so the endings are not what people expecting, but everything else about this game was phenomenal guys and you know it. It blows away ME1 and 2 together.

[Sublyminal]

Primalrose wrote...

This is really sad. Okay so the endings are not what people expecting, but everything else about this game was phenomenal guys and you know it. It blows away ME1 and 2 together.

Cept one thing... ME1 and 2 HAD awesome endings. 

[Jake71887]

Primalrose wrote...

This is really sad. Okay so the endings are not what people expecting, but everything else about this game was phenomenal guys and you know it. It blows away ME1 and 2 together.

I had far more "What the hell just happened" moments in 3 than I did the others combined, and while I loved the game up until the end, that point alone keeps it from being my favorite. I agree 2 stars is ridiculous, but I wouldn't go so far as to give it 5 either.

Modifié par Jake71887, 13 mars 2012 - 03:13 .

[Wikkr]

personally it is BECAUSE 99.9% of the game was so fantastic that it looses its rateing because right at the end they choose to slap one some random ending that feels like it was developed by someone whos never played mass effect. I dont care if theres some deep and mystical reason for the way they ended it. All the way through from ME1 right till the end of me3 my choices shaped the game. I the player mattered i wasnt just reading a story i was directing that story the way i wanted it to go. for bioware to turn around and ****slap us right at the very end of an epic storyline is rediculously stupid. For christ sakes the recession isnt over companies are falling by the wayside on a daily basis (just look at game) and bioware felt they could get away with this tacky ending?

[rvgifford]

ket_shee wrote...
Simply an unfortunate reality for any medium for fiction. Given a few more flaws I didn't mention, I'd say this game elicits at least 3.5, probably 4 stars on an Amazon rating scale.

I'd give it a 3 taken as a whole. If, and only if, I could somehow separate the ending from the whole, a frikkin' perfect score, or close to it given the bugs and PS3 framerate issues. The ending, judged separately deserves a -2. Bombing it with 1's and such is silly, though.

Do I want Bioware to actually feel how we feel about this game? Yes. Is there any way to do that other than hitting their pocket? No. Thus, I am not entirely unhappy with the downside, but I wouldn't rate it so low.

[darkshadow136]

Sublyminal wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

That's crap. you should all feel terrible.

Why should we feel terrible? I am one of the few that payed $80 goddamn dollars for this game. The endings alone made me wish I had waited and paid only $40 for it. Stop trying to make people feel bad because BW made a bad decision to go with the Deus Ex endings.

I fully agree with you. I paid $87 with shipping from Origin for the CE, and if I knew the game would end like this. I never would have bought it.

[Darth Malignus]

Greed1914 wrote...

In a way, this is sad.  I get it that people are mad and are trying to find an outlet that maybe will help change things.  Lord knows I'd love to see better endings, but the fact that 99.9% of the game was so amazing is going to keep me from lowballing the game.  I hate the ending to no end, but the rest is just so good.

If it's the only way to get BioWares attention, then that's what needs to be done. It's not perfect, but complaining about it so far has brought exactly zilch.

[Jae510]

Wow. People really dinged it that hard for 5 minutes at the end? Up until the endings and it's more shock than anything at first the game does not deserve scores that low.

[Lucubration]

Why do I figure the game as a whole, due to the ending, warrants a 2/5 on Amazon? Because it absolutely ruins the series for me. And my customer review is about how the game affects me.

Consider, I've been lurking around the forums and reading/writing reviews for the past 6 hours instead of playing any of the trilogy after I got home, hoping for some good news. I'm not doing that because I feel like pouting or lashing out; I'm here and not playing the game because I don't find playing any of the trilogy a desirable experience anymore, and I'm hoping this is not how the story really ends. If I loved the game any less, I would just have shut it down and moved on.

[Madecologist]

The Angry One wrote...

The ending retroactively ruins EVERYTHING. IN ALL THREE GAMES.
That's why it's so bad.

This comment reminds me of something I read in another forum (yes... ME3 ending is so bad that almost any gaming site forum has a ME3 thread), it was along the lines of: "What took George Lucas 3 movies, Bioware tops him and pulls it off in 5 minutes and then some."

That said, bombing the game's score is kind of tragic really. On the other hand it does send a message and catches attention. What scares me though I am don't think it is BSN members doing this en masse (some might be but not all), this might literally be the indication that even none BSN members are upset too, and some of them are willing to sink to these tactics.

[Brother Smith 93]

The game was overall very good, great even. But the endings just destroy the entirety of the series, totally.... Someone on the development team had to have said "Listen guys, this isn't a good idea."... Now he/she is probably walking around giving everyone the "I told you so look..."

[Balmung31]

Madecologist wrote...


This comment reminds me of something I read in another forum (yes... ME3 ending is so bad that almost any gaming site forum has a ME3 thread), it was along the lines of: "What took George Lucas 3 movies, Bioware tops him and pulls it off in 5 minutes and then some."

(sigh)

That really is quite the accomplishment.  And I can't help but agree. 

Where's Harry Plinkett when you need him?

[DirectorStormchaser1]

It just shows how stupid people are now a days. Dumb down by the worst education system.

People just rush through and not pay attention. Critical thinking has been lost due to multi-tasking.

Let me explain the whole triology for all you dumb idiots who do not understand the ending,.

1. Eden Prime. Mass Effect 1 When the Reaper landed it emitted a signal which bore into our heads. That is Indoctrination.

2. Virmire when Sovereign came was emitting a signal which Shepherd could not take a clear shot at Saren when escaped. that is the first time Shepherd started feeling the effects of Indoctrination.

3. Mass Effect 2 the Implants are in fatc Reaper Technology. Only technology which could ever bring Shepherd back alive would be Reaper Tech,

4. Derelict Repaer Ship. Just being near Reaper Tech is Indoctrination. Read 5 to understand.

5. Arrival near Reaper Artifact which bore into Shepherd's mind about Reaper Fleet and locked in the room. Shepherd stated being even near Reaper Tech anyone can be Indoctrinated.

6. When before Earth got attacked only an Indoctrinated could know a Reaper is close. And, Shepherd touched his head. And, said they are here. Shepherd si more and more beocming Indoctrinated.

7. With all Reaper Ships Shepherd is near he is becoming mroe and more Indoctrinated

8. Harbinger coming and gets hit by a laser. The final nail for someone strong willed against Indoctrination. As Legion said. I am this form to be pleasant to your eyes. Ending would be wrecked if Calayst would be Harbinger. And, 2 of the choices leads to Indoctrination while 1 leads to breaking free of Indoctrination.

Psychology 101: Dreams are in Reverse. Blue would be Renegade during Indoctrination and Red would be Paragon.

9. To prove Indotrination trees from dream and best of all.... Unlimited Ammo and No Overheat in Firearm.

10. For people who do not pay close attention to game. NPC carry weapons on them and are visible seen on body when they are not used. How does Illusive Man magically pop up a gun??? And, best of all does almost an exact copy of Saren when he kills himself.

People rush games just to finish and never pay attention to story. Showing those giving 1 or 2 stars are dumb idiots which are parrots which follow the stupid.

And, best of all Harbinger isn the one that Controls the Reaper proving Calayst.  Is the Harbinger.

Modifié par DirectorStormchaser1, 13 mars 2012 - 04:22 .

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

I would be more inclined to believe you if stuff like people walking around in vacuums without sealed suits happened.

[TexasToast712]

 Still costs $59.99, morons. The internet is so sad these days. The game is 10/10 easily. I didn't even like the endings that much and I can say that.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 13 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[Avarenda]

Eterna5 wrote...

I_Jedi wrote...

ShepardMyFriend wrote...

Once they fix the ending, I will absolutely go back and change the rating. Until then...

97 people vote one star.
Let's keep pushing.

And yes, I will do a five star review when the endings are fixed.

 You know, I was content to let you guys whine at walls here and just troll you, but now you're effecting the company and their income and are actively trying to make things worse. I'm getting pissed now, in what screwed up form of logic do you feel this helps get you what you want? 

This gets us what we want by hitting EA where it hurts. Their pocketbook. If things are this bad now, they'll be more inclined to give us our new endings. Still, i would rate ME3 at a 5 after the endings. 2.5 is harsh, but i really cant bring myself to blame any of those reviewers.

[Eumerin]

Posts telling us that we're all foolish for not recognizing this, that, and the other, about the game ending just go to show how much Bioware screwed it up (assuming that you're correct).  The "secret" to an ending like that is to make it blatantly obvious to the player that indoctrination, or whatever, is what took place.  While it may not be immediately obvious to everyone, the majority of the playerbase should be able to figure it out on their own.  The lead-up to the reveal can contain subtle clues.  But by the end of it there should be a blatant and indisputable reveal.  The fact that the majority of the playerbase isn't figuring it out on its own, and the proponents of the argument are having to go to great lengths to lay it all out, means that either Bioware didn't intend for an "Indoctrinated" ending (and arguing with the Indoctrinated people is therefore a lot like arguing with a conspiracy theorist), or Bioware made it too obscure and made too many of the pieces of "evidence" debatable.


As for my own opinion, I'd give the game a '3' out of '5'.  With some games, the ending doesn't matter much.  You can throw up a special screen that says, "Congratulations!" and be done with it.  But games that revolve around their stories - and Mass Effect 3 is one of those kinds of games - require that all of the parts of the story work.  You need a good introduction to draw the player in, a good middle to keep the player going, and a good climax to cause the player to finish satisfied.  The pay-off for a game that focuses on the story is all the time spent afterwards savoring the story and the completion of the story.  If ANY of those three elements are problems, then the end product is ultimately unsatisfying, and the player won't want to savor the story after finishing it.

And the end of ME3 hurts it in that fashion.

Yes, you'll have a lot of fun playing ME3.  You'll likely have more fun playing ME3 than most other games that you play or have played.  But the ending is so weak that you'll be left with an ultimately unsatisfying experience.  As a result, I've spent more time trying to forget the climax of ME3's story than I spent actually playing the game.  Ergo, the negative (time spent trying to forget the climax) outweighs the positive (i.e. time spent playing and enjoying the game).  Thus the 3/5 rating.

Now the game play up until the climax is very very good.  And that's why it has a '3' instead of something even lower.

Modifié par Eumerin, 13 mars 2012 - 04:40 .

[Sublyminal]

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...

It just shows how stupid people are now a days. Dumb down by the worst education system.

People just rush through and not pay attention. Critical thinking has been lost due to multi-tasking.

Let me explain the whole triology for all you dumb idiots who do not understand the ending,.

1. Eden Prime. Mass Effect 1 When the Reaper landed it emitted a signal which bore into our heads. That is Indoctrination.

2. Virmire when Sovereign came was emitting a signal which Shepherd could not take a clear shot at Saren when escaped. that is the first time Shepherd started feeling the effects of Indoctrination.

3. Mass Effect 2 the Implants are in fatc Reaper Technology. Only technology which could ever bring Shepherd back alive would be Reaper Tech,

4. Derelict Repaer Ship. Just being near Reaper Tech is Indoctrination. Read 5 to understand.

5. Arrival near Reaper Artifact which bore into Shepherd's mind about Reaper Fleet and locked in the room. Shepherd stated being even near Reaper Tech anyone can be Indoctrinated.

6. When before Earth got attacked only an Indoctrinated could know a Reaper is close. And, Shepherd touched his head. And, said they are here. Shepherd si more and more beocming Indoctrinated.

7. With all Reaper Ships Shepherd is near he is becoming mroe and more Indoctrinated

8. Harbinger coming and gets hit by a laser. The final nail for someone strong willed against Indoctrination. As Legion said. I am this form to be pleasant to your eyes. Ending would be wrecked if Calayst would be Harbinger. And, 2 of the choices leads to Indoctrination while 1 leads to breaking free of Indoctrination.

Psychology 101: Dreams are in Reverse. Blue would be Renegade during Indoctrination and Red would be Paragon.

9. To prove Indotrination trees from dream and best of all.... Unlimited Ammo and No Overheat in Firearm.

10. For people who do not pay close attention to game. NPC carry weapons on them and are visible seen on body when they are not used. How does Illusive Man magically pop up a gun??? And, best of all does almost an exact copy of Saren when he kills himself.

People rush games just to finish and never pay attention to story. Showing those giving 1 or 2 stars are dumb idiots which are parrots which follow the stupid.

And, best of all Harbinger isn the one that Controls the Reaper proving Calayst.  Is the Harbinger.

Yea, that's really gonna work... insulting people.. nice logic there sparky.

[Averdi]

In my opinion, the ending has a disproportionate impact on not just ME3, but it also affects ME1 and ME2 - it matters more than just the 1% of ME3 game time in which it takes place. These user ratings don't seem outrageous to me.

[detroitmechworks]

Sublyminal wrote...

Yea, that's really gonna work... insulting people.. nice logic there sparky.

Apparently, IOKIYSB...

It's OK, if you're supporting Bioware...