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[MissMaster_2]

Bioware, this hurts you.

[SnowxSakura]

Mass Effect 3 spent roughly the same time in development as the 2nd game and it was quite brilliant to say the least, and you can tell the difference in development quality was the addition of the multiplayer which I do say is quite fun, it really hurt the single players development and probably shouldn't of been released yet

[Rehpotsirch]

I think it's ridiculous that people are saying that the "bad" ending ruins the "entire" game/trilogy. Did you really not experience any enjoyment when fighting Reaper forces, curing the Genophage, etc? If not, then why'd you play through the entire thing? Was it just to see the ending? C'mon...

And speaking of the user metacritic ratings, remember when Call of Duty came out back in November? People were just straight up hating on it by giving 2.5/10 and stuff. I'm not a Call of Duty fan, but even I can agree that users were being stupid in that regard. There's no way that a game that actually functions and works and can be played should get a score like "2.5". But one thing to keep in mind is that reader scores don't matter, cause it's so easy for them to be screwed around with.

So seriously, some people are just being huge babies that don't want to admit that Mass Effect 3 is a good game with a bad ending. It was the same with Deus Ex: Human Revolution: good game with a bad ending.

[ManOfSteeL1618]

It's Biowares fault, and I did put my negative review because that's what the game deserves at this point. The ending was the most important part of the game and it also makes/breaks the trilogy altogether. They made the mistake and I feel ripped off not that I paid $50 for the game and $10 for the DLC that should have came with it. It shows that consumers have a say after all.

And Tali's face was just a huge let down.

[sergio71785]

Oh man, I'm surprised at the Amazon rating. Amazon in a massive retailer, and Amazon reviews have massive impacts on sales. EA is without a doubt unhappy about this.

It's kind of a shame. I hated the ending, but the whole game was so amazing.

[Wikkr]

I dont see a problem with the rating dropping and people getting the game cheaper.

We where promised an ending that laid the story to rest in epic style from the point me3 was announced right through to release. What we got did resolve a lot of the galaxys problems during the course of the game but gave zero closure to the character and his team. They diddnt end the story they stopped it dead and smacked it with a brick.

[Uchimura]

beccathelion wrote...

Wow. This is actually starting to work, isn't it? I mean, I love 95% of the game, and it deserves more than 2.5, but we're getting heard, I think.

If you guys get your way through these means it could mean that future games will suffer and you'll never see anything like that 95% of good content again, just because you were disappointed in the 5%. Selfish.

[ManOfSteeL1618]

Ohpus wrote...

Mhgasa wrote...

SecElit3 wrote...

EA's stock is going down down down...

I dislike the endings, but i really dont take any satisfaction in them loosing money. I love bioware as a developer and aknowledge that even they can get it wrong, but that doesnt mean i want them flushed down the drain. I just hope they will take action sooner rather than later

I agree. I want the rumored Baldur's Gate III to hit the shelves.

However, it has been reported that the Prothy DLC was in the game all along and can be enabled by fliping some code. Something they say was not the case. That says two things: Marketing is doing a horrible job and is being deceptive with consumers; and PR is just dropping the ball left and right. None of which builds consumer confidence. First DA II, then ME3. It will be a really long time before I pre-order from Bioware again at this rate.

Some people are of the opinion that Bioware has been indoctrinated by EA.

acello007 wrote...

This game was great unitl the last 10 min!
The series was awesome and if the writers wanted that ending, then so be it.
Just fix the bugs, server issues and give some cool DLC!

The dropped the ball on the ending and the they dropped the ball on SWTOR.

What is going on at bioware?

Slight OT, what is the problem with SWTOR?

My friend has been trying to drag me into it.

Zanallen wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

its official BW ruined the franchise


i cant believe you people actually are sad of this

Fixed for you.

Correction. Bioware told the story it wanted to tell. You didn't like it. So now you are whining about it and actively campaigning to hurt Bioware in an effort to get them to change the story to something more appealing to you. I wonder if the people in Michelangelo's time attempted to get him to chop the penis off the statue of David to make it more palatable.

As I recall, a fig leaf was added later on.

You can tell the difference in how Javik interacts with the story(ME3) and how Kasumi does not(in ME2) she was ovbiously made after...and he was ovbiously taken out of the final product.

[Rehpotsirch]

Uchimura wrote...

beccathelion wrote...

Wow. This is actually starting to work, isn't it? I mean, I love 95% of the game, and it deserves more than 2.5, but we're getting heard, I think.

If you guys get your way through these means it could mean that future games will suffer and you'll never see anything like that 95% of good content again, just because you were disappointed in the 5%. Selfish.

Agreed. If this crazy movement actually succeeds and Bioware ends up making ending DLC or something, then it'll only prove that whining can force a developper to change something in their own game.

The Mass Effect team created this ending because they wanted to end it this way. Mass Effect is their creation, so they can do whatever the hell they want with it whether you enjoy it or not. I hope Bioware sticks to their guns and does nothing with the ending, and if you don't like it, then go play another developper's games...and in time, I'm sure you'll be ****ing and complaining about that other developper as well.

[detroitmechworks]

Rehpotsirch wrote...

Agreed. If this crazy movement actually succeeds and Bioware ends up making ending DLC or something, then it'll only prove that whining can force a developper to change something in their own game.

The Mass Effect team created this ending because they wanted to end it this way. Mass Effect is their creation, so they can do whatever the hell they want with it whether you enjoy it or not. I hope Bioware sticks to their guns and does nothing with the ending, and if you don't like it, then go play another developper's games...and in time, I'm sure you'll be ****ing and complaining about that other developper as well.

Whining != Complaints.

Yes, they have the right to do whatever they want with it.  We have a right to BUY what we want.

This is a golden opportunity for Bioware to sell tons of DLC.

And here's hoping that this makes into the textbook for how NOT to handle a upset fanbase so other developers can learn from it.

[2484Stryker]

Rehpotsirch wrote...

Uchimura wrote...

beccathelion wrote...

Wow. This is actually starting to work, isn't it? I mean, I love 95% of the game, and it deserves more than 2.5, but we're getting heard, I think.

If you guys get your way through these means it could mean that future games will suffer and you'll never see anything like that 95% of good content again, just because you were disappointed in the 5%. Selfish.

Agreed. If this crazy movement actually succeeds and Bioware ends up making ending DLC or something, then it'll only prove that whining can force a developper to change something in their own game.

The Mass Effect team created this ending because they wanted to end it this way. Mass Effect is their creation, so they can do whatever the hell they want with it whether you enjoy it or not. I hope Bioware sticks to their guns and does nothing with the ending, and if you don't like it, then go play another developper's games...and in time, I'm sure you'll be ****ing and complaining about that other developper as well.

So voicing our reasons for disliking the ending = whining???

I get it, I don't agree with the review bombings and personal attacks, but listing reasons for not liking the ending enmasse isn't the same thing though.

[SilencedScream]

Uchimura wrote...

beccathelion wrote...

Wow. This is actually starting to work, isn't it? I mean, I love 95% of the game, and it deserves more than 2.5, but we're getting heard, I think.

If you guys get your way through these means it could mean that future games will suffer and you'll never see anything like that 95% of good content again, just because you were disappointed in the 5%. Selfish.

I disagree.
I feel like this sends a message that, as gamers, we aren't afraid to take a stand. I'm tired of seeing overpriced (in comparison to the full game) DLC. I'm tired of seeing poorly written games pushed out the door ASAP, just to turn a profit. I understand they're businesses, I understand they work for that profit - but like ALL industries, they need to be creating full and satisfying experiences.

If they had messed up ANY other 5% of Mass Effect 3, the majority of us on here would be having actual discussions - like where the franchise will continue from here. But no - as someone a few days ago stated, they messed up the (arguably) MOST important part of the series that reflects back on the entirety of all things previous.

The ending, as is, screams incompletion - horribly written, horribly executed, and so full of holes that people are choosing to ignore it and come up with their own endings to better satisfy themselves over the whole experience. If I wanted to revert to my imagination for a conclusion, I wouldn't be paying developers for entertainment.


EDIT: Don't get me wrong. I'm not going to extremes. I'm not reporting them to the FTC as someone did. I'm just expressing my lack of satisfaction and stating that, if not fixed in an adequate and fair manner with consideration to my purchase, then I shall gladly take my business elsewhere.

Modifié par SilencedScream, 17 mars 2012 - 09:32 .

[Jamie9]

Rehpotsirch wrote...

I think it's ridiculous that people are saying that the "bad" ending ruins the "entire" game/trilogy. Did you really not experience any enjoyment when fighting Reaper forces, curing the Genophage, etc? If not, then why'd you play through the entire thing? Was it just to see the ending? C'mon...

And speaking of the user metacritic ratings, remember when Call of Duty came out back in November? People were just straight up hating on it by giving 2.5/10 and stuff. I'm not a Call of Duty fan, but even I can agree that users were being stupid in that regard. There's no way that a game that actually functions and works and can be played should get a score like "2.5". But one thing to keep in mind is that reader scores don't matter, cause it's so easy for them to be screwed around with.

So seriously, some people are just being huge babies that don't want to admit that Mass Effect 3 is a good game with a bad ending. It was the same with Deus Ex: Human Revolution: good game with a bad ending.

The thing is for me, and I'm sure others, the ending does ruin the entire trilogy. No, I don't play "just for the ending", I play it to make choices, and then experience the repercussions of them, whether they be good or bad. There is no choice at the end; therefore no repercussions; therefore the trilogy lose its replayability.

I liked Human Revolution's ending, but that was because it was thematically all about augmentations. The entire game was about the Illuminati, we were going to get that kind of ending.

[Chuloos]

Rehpotsirch wrote...

Uchimura wrote...

beccathelion wrote...

Wow. This is actually starting to work, isn't it? I mean, I love 95% of the game, and it deserves more than 2.5, but we're getting heard, I think.

If you guys get your way through these means it could mean that future games will suffer and you'll never see anything like that 95% of good content again, just because you were disappointed in the 5%. Selfish.

Agreed. If this crazy movement actually succeeds and Bioware ends up making ending DLC or something, then it'll only prove that whining can force a developper to change something in their own game.

The Mass Effect team created this ending because they wanted to end it this way. Mass Effect is their creation, so they can do whatever the hell they want with it whether you enjoy it or not. I hope Bioware sticks to their guns and does nothing with the ending, and if you don't like it, then go play another developper's games...and in time, I'm sure you'll be ****ing and complaining about that other developper as well.

Yup.. you're right.  They can do whatever the hell they want with it.. And we will be playing some other developer's game because of it.   I don't get where you think pointing out where Bioware made promises to it's fans and then did not deliver is just ****ing and complaining.  If you purchased a defective product.... and you asked for a refund or for a replacement.. and they did not give it to you.. would you just say.. well.. they created it .. they can do whatever the hell they want with it... and I will just go sit in the corner and be happy they took my money.

Humm.. I think not.

[The Lightspeaker]

With all due respect to the people getting offended about people downrating the game here...a quick comparison if I may which may explain why people are doing it:

You're in a restaurant. Everything is great. The place is nicely decorated, the staff are attentive but not invasive. The food is incredible. Its a wonderful experience all round.As you're putting on your coat to leave the maitre d' comes over and kicks you in the crotch.

Now...when you go to review the restaurant afterwards are you likely to talk about how amazing it all was or are you likely to be angry at having been kicked in the crotch?


Ultimately one of the most important things of any epic story is how it ends. Its as simple as that. If you read a book and the ending is poor you're left with a negative view of it. The same goes for both films and games. Ever read the book Master and Commander? Personally I thought the ending of that was AWFUL and completely undermined what I felt to that point had been a fairly solid, if not spectacular read.

When you scale that up to something which people have spent literally hundreds of hours of their time on and invested a lot of personal emotion into it then people are going to get a tad upset when the ending is poor.


On a side note regarding the whole "they can do what they want, its their game" thing...in a literal sense you're right, in an actual realistic sense you're wrong. Put simply. Its not "their game". Its their PRODUCT. And their product is a game made for their customers (i.e. us).
Lets say I could code well enough to make games and I made a game just for myself about medieval times; I could technically do whatever I wanted with it and if I wanted to finish the game off by having a space marine step out of a portal with a machine gun to gun down the evil king (or whoever) I could put that in the game. But if I was intending on marketing and selling the game I wouldn't do that, because it'd wouldn't be "my game", it'd be a game I'd be making for my customers. And as such I'd be looking to put in an ending of the kind that my customers would be expecting when they signed on for it rather than something completely from left field. Sure there might be a plot twist or two, but I couldn't go back on fundamental design and lore principles without totally screwing the entire game.

[Rehpotsirch]

Chuloos wrote...

Rehpotsirch wrote...

Uchimura wrote...

beccathelion wrote...

Wow. This is actually starting to work, isn't it? I mean, I love 95% of the game, and it deserves more than 2.5, but we're getting heard, I think.

If you guys get your way through these means it could mean that future games will suffer and you'll never see anything like that 95% of good content again, just because you were disappointed in the 5%. Selfish.

Agreed. If this crazy movement actually succeeds and Bioware ends up making ending DLC or something, then it'll only prove that whining can force a developper to change something in their own game.

The Mass Effect team created this ending because they wanted to end it this way. Mass Effect is their creation, so they can do whatever the hell they want with it whether you enjoy it or not. I hope Bioware sticks to their guns and does nothing with the ending, and if you don't like it, then go play another developper's games...and in time, I'm sure you'll be ****ing and complaining about that other developper as well.

Yup.. you're right.  They can do whatever the hell they want with it.. And we will be playing some other developer's game because of it.   I don't get where you think pointing out where Bioware made promises to it's fans and then did not deliver is just ****ing and complaining.  If you purchased a defective product.... and you asked for a refund or for a replacement.. and they did not give it to you.. would you just say.. well.. they created it .. they can do whatever the hell they want with it... and I will just go sit in the corner and be happy they took my money.

Humm.. I think not.

To me, a bad ending is not a defect. Things like the game not running at all would be one.
I haven't really followed the dev promises, but it's not like they signed a contract to say that they would include this and that into the game am I right? But then people could bring up false advertising as an issue and at that point it goes beyond my scope of insight. lol

At the end of the day, I'm just here to play games and enjoy myself.

[Voidster]

Uchimura wrote...

beccathelion wrote...

Wow. This is actually starting to work, isn't it? I mean, I love 95% of the game, and it deserves more than 2.5, but we're getting heard, I think.

If you guys get your way through these means it could mean that future games will suffer and you'll never see anything like that 95% of good content again, just because you were disappointed in the 5%. Selfish.

we want closure, we want an ending that makes @#$@ sense uchimura. Your telling me that using your logic an RGB ending with no information on what happens, who does what, and if shep lives is OK? Get off my planet. 

[Njald]

This is the feedback you get for ignoring your core audience. The core audience is the one that tells the casual/fringe buyers about the product. The core audience is important. Maybe it's too late ofr ME3 and bioware in general but atleast the lesson might still be learned by coorperate beancounters in the next large scale gaming project.

[Unit-Alpha]

Njald wrote...

This is the feedback you get for ignoring your core audience. The core audience is the one that tells the casual/fringe buyers about the product. The core audience is important. Maybe it's too late ofr ME3 and bioware in general but atleast the lesson might still be learned by coorperate beancounters in the next large scale gaming project.

They never seem to remember that key element; though this is the worst case yet.

[krogstor]

**** I  got ripped off, really wishing I would've stuck to TPB right about now.

[DrNick1221]

Rose are red
Violets are blue
Your game dropped in price
This hurts you

[Amanthor]

Bioware only delays the inevitable.

[Rehpotsirch]

2484Stryker wrote...

Rehpotsirch wrote...

Uchimura wrote...

beccathelion wrote...

Wow. This is actually starting to work, isn't it? I mean, I love 95% of the game, and it deserves more than 2.5, but we're getting heard, I think.

If you guys get your way through these means it could mean that future games will suffer and you'll never see anything like that 95% of good content again, just because you were disappointed in the 5%. Selfish.

Agreed. If this crazy movement actually succeeds and Bioware ends up making ending DLC or something, then it'll only prove that whining can force a developper to change something in their own game.

The Mass Effect team created this ending because they wanted to end it this way. Mass Effect is their creation, so they can do whatever the hell they want with it whether you enjoy it or not. I hope Bioware sticks to their guns and does nothing with the ending, and if you don't like it, then go play another developper's games...and in time, I'm sure you'll be ****ing and complaining about that other developper as well.

So voicing our reasons for disliking the ending = whining???

I get it, I don't agree with the review bombings and personal attacks, but listing reasons for not liking the ending enmasse isn't the same thing though.

No, you're right, disliking the ending does not equate to whining. There are many people who are level-headed about this and are respectfully discussing their issues and concerns. My intent was to address to those who were, as you've said, review bombing and personal attacking. Amongst all the hysteria, I sometimes forget that some people out there are being reasonable with their complaints. Didn't mean to group them with that one group of sour individuals.

[Artking3]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

With all due respect to the people getting offended about people downrating the game here...a quick comparison if I may which may explain why people are doing it:

You're in a restaurant. Everything is great. The place is nicely decorated, the staff are attentive but not invasive. The food is incredible. Its a wonderful experience all round.As you're putting on your coat to leave the maitre d' comes over and kicks you in the crotch.

Now...when you go to review the restaurant afterwards are you likely to talk about how amazing it all was or are you likely to be angry at having been kicked in the crotch?

I think a better comparison might be: you dig into your dessert and find a rat's head. 

[Wolven_Soul]

ChaosMarky wrote...

Geez, even though i hate the ending, the game still deserves a higher score than that! C'mon guys, this is going too far..

I disagree.  If everyone was giving it high marks, then Bioware could point to that and say that they do not need to fix anything.  Imagine if they do not fix it, this franchise will be dead.  That I think would be far worse than getting two stars.