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The Lightspeaker wrote...

With all due respect to the people getting offended about people downrating the game here...a quick comparison if I may which may explain why people are doing it:

You're in a restaurant. Everything is great. The place is nicely decorated, the staff are attentive but not invasive. The food is incredible. Its a wonderful experience all round.As you're putting on your coat to leave the maitre d' comes over and kicks you in the crotch.

Now...when you go to review the restaurant afterwards are you likely to talk about how amazing it all was or are you likely to be angry at having been kicked in the crotch?


Ultimately one of the most important things of any epic story is how it ends. Its as simple as that. If you read a book and the ending is poor you're left with a negative view of it. The same goes for both films and games. Ever read the book Master and Commander? Personally I thought the ending of that was AWFUL and completely undermined what I felt to that point had been a fairly solid, if not spectacular read.

When you scale that up to something which people have spent literally hundreds of hours of their time on and invested a lot of personal emotion into it then people are going to get a tad upset when the ending is poor.


On a side note regarding the whole "they can do what they want, its their game" thing...in a literal sense you're right, in an actual realistic sense you're wrong. Put simply. Its not "their game". Its their PRODUCT. And their product is a game made for their customers (i.e. us).
Lets say I could code well enough to make games and I made a game just for myself about medieval times; I could technically do whatever I wanted with it and if I wanted to finish the game off by having a space marine step out of a portal with a machine gun to gun down the evil king (or whoever) I could put that in the game. But if I was intending on marketing and selling the game I wouldn't do that, because it'd wouldn't be "my game", it'd be a game I'd be making for my customers. And as such I'd be looking to put in an ending of the kind that my customers would be expecting when they signed on for it rather than something completely from left field. Sure there might be a plot twist or two, but I couldn't go back on fundamental design and lore principles without totally screwing the entire game.


QFT. Very well said. Love the part about the crotch kicking. I have my own analogy. If you are eating a great meal, and your down to the last bite, and that last bite all of a sudden tastes like dog crap even though the rest of the meal tasted great, are you really not going to focus on how the last bite tasted that bad? Can you honestly tell me that in that situation you would say "Well, at least the rest of the meal tasted great."

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#652
Byrdman

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You know people can edit their ratings on Amazon right? So everyone sticking up for EAware needs to get over it, because if the ending gets addressed, I'll go and change my 1 star rating for it back up to the rating it deserves. Until then, the entire game is ruined by the ending

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At least Bioware will think twice about spending 5 minutes coming up with the ending of a triology in the future.

I've seen better fan created stuff in the past few days than what Bioware gave us.

Sure it's sad to see all these poor reviews... but that just shows how badly they have hurt their fans. Especially the loyal ones.

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Byrdman wrote...

You know people can edit their ratings on Amazon right? So everyone sticking up for EAware needs to get over it, because if the ending gets addressed, I'll go and change my 1 star rating for it back up to the rating it deserves. Until then, the entire game is ruined by the ending

Yes, the ending sharply hurt my Amazon rating (I bought it from there) but if it changes it will easily go to a 5/5 for me.

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Rehpotsirch wrote...

I think it's ridiculous that people are saying that the "bad" ending ruins the "entire" game/trilogy. Did you really not experience any enjoyment when fighting Reaper forces, curing the Genophage, etc? If not, then why'd you play through the entire thing? Was it just to see the ending? C'mon... -_-

And speaking of the user metacritic ratings, remember when Call of Duty came out back in November? People were just straight up hating on it by giving 2.5/10 and stuff. I'm not a Call of Duty fan, but even I can agree that users were being stupid in that regard. There's no way that a game that actually functions and works and can be played should get a score like "2.5". But one thing to keep in mind is that reader scores don't matter, cause it's so easy for them to be screwed around with.

So seriously, some people are just being huge babies that don't want to admit that Mass Effect 3 is a good game with a bad ending. It was the same with Deus Ex: Human Revolution: good game with a bad ending.


In a story driven game, yes the ending can ruin the whole game because it is story driven.

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Only one retailer is selling it for $39.99, the rest are probably selling it at the most $40 and $50 instead of $60.

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Uchimura wrote...

beccathelion wrote...

Wow. This is actually starting to work, isn't it? I mean, I love 95% of the game, and it deserves more than 2.5, but we're getting heard, I think.


If you guys get your way through these means it could mean that future games will suffer and you'll never see anything like that 95% of good content again, just because you were disappointed in the 5%. Selfish.


Future Bioware titles should suffer from this. In a just world they would take a huge hit on this game but most of us bought the game based on trust in Bioware so they already have the money. I know I do not have any trust in the company. 

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Byrdman wrote...

You know people can edit their ratings on Amazon right? So everyone sticking up for EAware needs to get over it, because if the ending gets addressed, I'll go and change my 1 star rating for it back up to the rating it deserves. Until then, the entire game is ruined by the ending


I will also change my rating to the rating it deserves if the ending is addressed

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Harbinger of Hope wrote...


QFT. Very well said. Love the part about the crotch kicking. I have my own analogy. If you are eating a great meal, and your down to the last bite, and that last bite all of a sudden tastes like dog crap even though the rest of the meal tasted great, are you really not going to focus on how the last bite tasted that bad? Can you honestly tell me that in that situation you would say "Well, at least the rest of the meal tasted great."


Personally I liked the great sex + genital warts analogy, but I guess I'm just a crude person.

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I haven't posted any reviews, but I will. If we get an ending that matches the rest of the game, it will be a 10, if we get no fix for the ending, it will be... somewhat less.

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Rehpotsirch wrote...

Uchimura wrote...

beccathelion wrote...

Wow. This is actually starting to work, isn't it? I mean, I love 95% of the game, and it deserves more than 2.5, but we're getting heard, I think.


If you guys get your way through these means it could mean that future games will suffer and you'll never see anything like that 95% of good content again, just because you were disappointed in the 5%. Selfish.

Agreed. If this crazy movement actually succeeds and Bioware ends up making ending DLC or something, then it'll only prove that whining can force a developper to change something in their own game.

The Mass Effect team created this ending because they wanted to end it this way. Mass Effect is their creation, so they can do whatever the hell they want with it whether you enjoy it or not. I hope Bioware sticks to their guns and does nothing with the ending, and if you don't like it, then go play another developper's games...and in time, I'm sure you'll be ****ing and complaining about that other developper as well.


You are a 100% correct. It is their creation and they can do whatever they want with it. But, if they want to continue to have a large loyal fan base then they will bend to the consumers wishes because we are the ones who buy the games. A car company can make any type of car they want. If too few people like it then they have to change.

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The normal version didn't drop that much on amazon.fr about 2€, but the collectore edition droped more than 10€ o O

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Fans: Assuming Control of the Ratings

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I knew I should've just gotten a hacked copy for this POS ME3 game instead of the $60 i payed for it, ****ty gameplay, ****ty character interactions, stay away from this game unless they fix the ending which might make it tolerable.

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Deemz wrote...

Rehpotsirch wrote...

I think it's ridiculous that people are saying that the "bad" ending ruins the "entire" game/trilogy. Did you really not experience any enjoyment when fighting Reaper forces, curing the Genophage, etc? If not, then why'd you play through the entire thing? Was it just to see the ending? C'mon... -_-

And speaking of the user metacritic ratings, remember when Call of Duty came out back in November? People were just straight up hating on it by giving 2.5/10 and stuff. I'm not a Call of Duty fan, but even I can agree that users were being stupid in that regard. There's no way that a game that actually functions and works and can be played should get a score like "2.5". But one thing to keep in mind is that reader scores don't matter, cause it's so easy for them to be screwed around with.

So seriously, some people are just being huge babies that don't want to admit that Mass Effect 3 is a good game with a bad ending. It was the same with Deus Ex: Human Revolution: good game with a bad ending.


In a story driven game, yes the ending can ruin the whole game because it is story driven.

By the time I reached London, I didn't really care about the ending anymore since I was already satisfied with all the mini-storylines like the Genophage and Quarian/Geth war. I thought to myself: even if the ending is as bad as people say, I still had a great time with everything else in the game. And once the ending rolled around I said "Oh well...time to play through as my other Shepard."

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Uchimura wrote...

If you guys get your way through these means it could mean that future games will suffer and you'll never see anything like that 95% of good content again, just because you were disappointed in the 5%. Selfish.


On the contrary, this could help games, gamers, and developers in the long run. When the producer says the game has to be on shelves in 4 months, and the developer says they need an extra month to finish it, I think the producer all too often says "no." Now, the developer can say "Remember Mass Effect 3?" and the producer is more likely to say "so, yeah... another month seems doable."

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Eterna5 wrote...

beccathelion wrote...

Wow. This is actually starting to work, isn't it? I mean, I love 95% of the game, and it deserves more than 2.5, but we're getting heard, I think.


 What's working? Ensuring Bioware will never get the funding to start a new project again? You guys are being so stupid and counter productive....


Yes, we should totally reward that failure that is the wrap-up of a 5 year journey.

Like it or not, the ending is still part of the game.

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The future of gaming is going to go back to small independent developers like it was in the beginning of PC gaming. I just donated to fund a sequel to a game that gives everyone into turn based RPGs what they want. These big companies have lost sight of their links to the fans.

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Geez, even though i hate the ending, the game still deserves a higher score than that! C'mon guys, this is going too far..


THIS!!!!

It needs more then 2 stars for gods sake, it was only about 10 /15 mins of footage and conversation that was questionable the rest was freakin awesome.

This hurts me!

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Don't forget fans.

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Oops guys we killed Bioware.


Again, I'd like to clarify that I am STRONGLY against review bombing., I believe some people have pushed this issue a little bit too far.

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Rehpotsirch wrote...

Uchimura wrote...

beccathelion wrote...

Wow. This is actually starting to work, isn't it? I mean, I love 95% of the game, and it deserves more than 2.5, but we're getting heard, I think.


If you guys get your way through these means it could mean that future games will suffer and you'll never see anything like that 95% of good content again, just because you were disappointed in the 5%. Selfish.

Agreed. If this crazy movement actually succeeds and Bioware ends up making ending DLC or something, then it'll only prove that whining can force a developper to change something in their own game.

The Mass Effect team created this ending because they wanted to end it this way. Mass Effect is their creation, so they can do whatever the hell they want with it whether you enjoy it or not. I hope Bioware sticks to their guns and does nothing with the ending, and if you don't like it, then go play another developper's games...and in time, I'm sure you'll be ****ing and complaining about that other developper as well.


*sigh* You are, among others, a poor consumer.

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Review bombing is fine. Taking those metrics serious is hopeless. I too feel like having had a great dinner, only to be kicked in the groind afterwards. It is appropriate these scores reflects that.

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The Lightspeaker wrote...

With all due respect to the people getting offended about people downrating the game here...a quick comparison if I may which may explain why people are doing it:

You're in a restaurant. Everything is great. The place is nicely decorated, the staff are attentive but not invasive. The food is incredible. Its a wonderful experience all round.As you're putting on your coat to leave the maitre d' comes over and kicks you in the crotch.

Now...when you go to review the restaurant afterwards are you likely to talk about how amazing it all was or are you likely to be angry at having been kicked in the crotch?


Ultimately one of the most important things of any epic story is how it ends. Its as simple as that. If you read a book and the ending is poor you're left with a negative view of it. The same goes for both films and games. Ever read the book Master and Commander? Personally I thought the ending of that was AWFUL and completely undermined what I felt to that point had been a fairly solid, if not spectacular read.

When you scale that up to something which people have spent literally hundreds of hours of their time on and invested a lot of personal emotion into it then people are going to get a tad upset when the ending is poor.


On a side note regarding the whole "they can do what they want, its their game" thing...in a literal sense you're right, in an actual realistic sense you're wrong. Put simply. Its not "their game". Its their PRODUCT. And their product is a game made for their customers (i.e. us).
Lets say I could code well enough to make games and I made a game just for myself about medieval times; I could technically do whatever I wanted with it and if I wanted to finish the game off by having a space marine step out of a portal with a machine gun to gun down the evil king (or whoever) I could put that in the game. But if I was intending on marketing and selling the game I wouldn't do that, because it'd wouldn't be "my game", it'd be a game I'd be making for my customers. And as such I'd be looking to put in an ending of the kind that my customers would be expecting when they signed on for it rather than something completely from left field. Sure there might be a plot twist or two, but I couldn't go back on fundamental design and lore principles without totally screwing the entire game.


Well said!

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Yes, It is about time to sell my ME3 because Bioware screw up the game.