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[Solduri]

Eterna5 wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ozzy57 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I_Jedi wrote...

ShepardMyFriend wrote...

Once they fix the ending, I will absolutely go back and change the rating. Until then...

97 people vote one star.
Let's keep pushing.

And yes, I will do a five star review when the endings are fixed.

 You know, I was content to let you guys whine at walls here and just troll you, but now you're effecting the company and their income and are actively trying to make things worse. I'm getting pissed now, in what screwed up form of logic do you feel this helps get you what you want? 

Your right its also fair that companies pay big name reviewers for 9.5's and higher ratings

 If you think Bioware payed 49 review sites to give positive reviews then that's your own delusion and you can't be helped. 

And how much do youc are to bet that not ONE of those site reviewers finished the damn game? YOU CANNOT trust a game review site. They have what is called deadlines, you know if they don't get a review in on time it doesn't get posted etc. That's how the industry works.

 You can't trust user reviews either. 

How do you figure? The users that review the game obviously played it through to the end and they're the ones that are dissatisfied with all of it.  I am one of those users, though as I previously stated, I have not put in my review for the game because I still hold out hope. 

 the people giving it 1 on metacritic for having homosexuality are trustworthy I hear.

no more trustworthy than someone who gives dragon age 2 a 100

[I_Jedi]

Epiph1 wrote...

I'm actually waiting to see what Bioware says and does about this before I give it a rating, because in all fairness there isn't a rating system that's suitable for this situation.

I got a game that is essentially in two parts. One part I would rate 9.5 (the first 98%) of the game, and the second part (the infamous endings) I would rate a 0. There is no system that allows that.

That's the precise problem here. Game = 2 different games.

I don't think think it's fair to tank their rating deliberately to be perfectly honest with you even though I agree it's a bunch of bull. If anything it should have been seen as an alternative source for us to point to outside of the BSN universe to say that the "silent majority" in fact do agree the endings are terrible and need to be corrected.

Well, I'm interested in continuing the 1 star campaign until Bioware responds. Then I'll review and ecide what to do next.

[dkear1]

TheAsphodel wrote...

I don't know what to think.

Bombing reviews is *bad* and I'm not in favor of them...but there seems to be no more effective way than to bomb them.

Come up with it and folks will be all ears.  Until then how else can people fight back.  Money is what drives companies and that is it.

[Sublyminal]

Eterna5 wrote...

 the people giving it 1 on metacritic for having homosexuality are trustworthy I hear.

So because some people are homophobes and bigots automatically mean we should follow their advice on the game? I was told by friends the games ending sucked balls, but I didn't believe them. I took my time through the game and when I finished, all I was left with was feelings of emptiness and questions that no one can answer. 

[fyresai]

OMTING52601 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

 You know, I was content to let you guys whine at walls here and just troll you, but now you're effecting the company and their income and are actively trying to make things worse. I'm getting pissed now, in what screwed up form of logic do you feel this helps get you what you want? 

You know, this is a free market economy, this is how it works. Sorry, but on this one thing, I'm completely objective. The backlash is EA's problem, end of. If they'd delivered a more satisfying product, there wouldn't be so much backlash. Moreover, I darn well expect the free market to work like it's supposed to: if people don't want what you're selling, you're stock drops and you lose money. Period. If EA can't get a handle on it, again, that's their problem. They are a business, their job is to make a profit, business only makes a profit if they have something consumers want to sell.

Also, there is absolutely zero agitation, anxiety, anger, or angst attached to any of my comments. I'm commenting purely from a business perspective without any emotional investment. Plenty of game companies put out games that don't sell well and plenty of companies put out games that have issues. And plenty of those game companies are no longer in business, which is as it should be in a free market. Business either has customer loyalty and demand or they don't.

An aside, I'm not sure what's up with not being able to return the game, though. As long as you have your receipt, in USA where I am, everywhere here(except GameStop, maybe) you can return an opened game for a full refund. You usually only have like two weeks to do it, but if people are really that dissatisfied, find a way to get recompense. There are ways to recoup lost monies even on digital products.

In response to your return policy at the end there, I know for a fact Wal-Mart states that they will only take unopened games back, or if the game you got is defective, they'll swap it out for the same game.

[Xewaka]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Shayuri wrote...
Holy cow. ME3 was an awesome game! A few cutscenes at the end don't ruin it!
Argh...sometimes I want to kick people. All people. Everywhere. If only I had some kind of giant...vaguely arthropoidal machine with Big Frickin' Lasers attached to its head.
Must begin planning.

Purposely giving the game a horrible rating as some form of revenge/protest  just because they disagree with the endings is pretty counterproductive because A) it accomplishes nothing and is not an incentive for the changes people want to take place and  as a whole it was a great game. I think people should request changes/additional endings if they want them here/do their Twitter campaigns/whatever else -  not resort to this kind of thing to make their point.
Also, I'm willing to work as a henchperson on that project of yours as long as I get to operate the lasers.

Hitting the company in the wallet is the best way to make their point, wether you agree with it or not.

Modifié par Xewaka, 13 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[AlexXIV]

If Bioware didn't use turtle tactics and actually communicated with fans this may not have happened. However, I feel sorry for them because this was a great game until the end ruined it. I don't know how something like this can happen but it is Bioware's fault. Not ours. It is not our job to make a happy face and swallow everything they throw at us. We are the customers and if we have a problem we voice it. And screw the fanboys and drones who only post to save their precious little company. They are in business for more than 10 years. If they don't know how to make games from start to end then I just don't know what to say. Are they amateurs or pros or what?

[dkear1]

Eterna5 wrote...
 the people giving it 1 on metacritic for having homosexuality are trustworthy I hear.

Yep, they are just as trustworthy as the 10/10 folks that admit to not having played the game.  I counted a dozen of them in under 3 minutes of scanning the reviews.  ****** for tat as they say.

[Epiph1]

I_Jedi wrote...

Epiph1 wrote...

I'm actually waiting to see what Bioware says and does about this before I give it a rating, because in all fairness there isn't a rating system that's suitable for this situation.

I got a game that is essentially in two parts. One part I would rate 9.5 (the first 98%) of the game, and the second part (the infamous endings) I would rate a 0. There is no system that allows that.

That's the precise problem here. Game = 2 different games.

I don't think think it's fair to tank their rating deliberately to be perfectly honest with you even though I agree it's a bunch of bull. If anything it should have been seen as an alternative source for us to point to outside of the BSN universe to say that the "silent majority" in fact do agree the endings are terrible and need to be corrected.

Well, I'm interested in continuing the 1 star campaign until Bioware responds. Then I'll review and ecide what to do next.

Why taint an outside source of valid data? It's really counter-productive 

[BrotherFluffy]

Honestly, while I don't agree with bombing review scores, I cannot, in good faith, give ME3 the high score or good recommendation that it deserves if not for the last ten minutes. I wish I could, but until the endings are fixed, I can't, and I won't.

[Benrosan]

Don't worry about the Amazon, Metacritic ratings. They're not accurate, sure, but it's extra motivation for BW to change the ending. Hold the line. It's a lesson they're gonna learn the hard way and they'll come out stronger/wiser because of it (hopefully).

[Aedan276]

Eterna5 wrote...

That's crap. you should all feel terrible.

I don't think you'll find much guilt here. We all feel extremely cheated from our investment of money, time, and emotion, especially after getting through the DAII disappointments -- a lot of us (even me) defended Bioware back then, but this is way worse than screwing up a Dragon Age game. 

Anyway, my review was honest -- I took 1 star off for making ME3's plot filler and 1 star off for making the rest of the Mass Effect trilogy filler. 

Plus I bought the Swtor Collector Edition, although my heart wasn't in MMOs (nor was I a big KOTOR fan -- D&D all the way) to show support to Bioware. 

Yeah, I don't feel guilty. 

Modifié par Aedan276, 13 mars 2012 - 12:13 .

[Hexxys]

ME3 is getting beat up everywhere that hasn't been paid off.

Metacritic user reviews are down at around 3/10 with thousands of reviews so far.

Normally I wouldn't really bat an eyelash at this.  But the ME community just seems so...  United, for once.

Modifié par Hexxys, 13 mars 2012 - 12:10 .

[DemGeth]

The site has a bunch of games for 40 bucks....there's a reason for that....they didn't buy the game.....

[Ianamus]

I find the rating dilemma pretty troubling, if I'm honest. I'll flat out say that 2/10 does not reflect the quality of the game, the majority of it is fantastic. The problem is that the ending is just so bad that it really ruins not only this game, but the predecessors as well. At the end of the day, good as the rest of the game may be, it's an ending to the series- and the ending should be the most important thing.

I think the only real solution is to rate the "Fantastic" part of the game and the "Post-Reaper beam" part separately, as the drop in quality after Shepard gets hit by the beam and the confrontation with TIM is unbelievable.

9/10 for the main game, and 2/10 for the end of the game. And the latter is being generous. What it should come to overall... I really can't say. I look at the main part of the game and say "This has to be higher than 8!" but I see the ending and think "How can this be rated above a three?" 

Modifié par EJ107, 13 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[marshalleck]

Hmm. I'm torn between feeling bad for Bioware since ME3--aside from the ending--is superb game that easily deserves 9+. On the other hand, that damned ending. Sigh.

Based on how good most of the game is, I'll wait and see if they decide to do anything with the endings in post-release content before posting any reviews anywhere.

Modifié par marshalleck, 13 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[Zanallen]

dkear1 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
 the people giving it 1 on metacritic for having homosexuality are trustworthy I hear.

Yep, they are just as trustworthy as the 10/10 folks that admit to not having played the game.  I counted a dozen of them in under 3 minutes of scanning the reviews.  ****** for tat as they say.

And this thinking is why user reviews are worthless. One person gives it a 10, three people give it a 0 in retaliation.

[AlexXIV]

Xewaka wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Shayuri wrote...
Holy cow. ME3 was an awesome game! A few cutscenes at the end don't ruin it!
Argh...sometimes I want to kick people. All people. Everywhere. If only I had some kind of giant...vaguely arthropoidal machine with Big Frickin' Lasers attached to its head.
Must begin planning.

Purposely giving the game a horrible rating as some form of revenge/protest  just because they disagree with the endings is pretty counterproductive because A) it accomplishes nothing and is not an incentive for the changes people want to take place and  as a whole it was a great game. I think people should request changes/additional endings if they want them here/do their Twitter campaigns/whatever else -  not resort to this kind of thing to make their point.
Also, I'm willing to work as a henchperson on that project of yours as long as I get to operate the lasers.

Hitting them in the wallet is the best way to make their point, wether you agree with it or not.

Bioware asked for it tbh. They said officially they will now mostly look on the business side of things and they refuse to fix things that people think should be fixed because it costs them money for a product that they already sold. If you cling to your money like that you will just lose it faster because the customers are not stupid and they have no reason to give their money for something they don't like.

[Militarized]

I don't know why people are surprised... they ruined the whole point of the game at the very end, no matter how much the rest of the game is amazing. Mass Effect is one of those games, where the ending makes or breaks the game. It is not FF7 where if you didn't like it.. well, that was the story so you can deal with it and that's cool.

It's Mass Effect.. and they dropped the ball.

Or you can go with the indoctrination theory and it's all a scheme... one they are now paying for.

[Korhiann]

Zanallen wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
 the people giving it 1 on metacritic for having homosexuality are trustworthy I hear.

Yep, they are just as trustworthy as the 10/10 folks that admit to not having played the game.  I counted a dozen of them in under 3 minutes of scanning the reviews.  ****** for tat as they say.

And this thinking is why user reviews are worthless. One person gives it a 10, three people give it a 0 in retaliation.

Indeed. Sites like Metacritic are no longer able to show proper ratings because of some personal war between different sides.
Both sides are acting like children.

Modifié par Korhiann, 13 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[DarkSpider88]

Part of me feels bad for BioWare, the game is honestly amazing with only one huge glaring error. However to even have a chance to get what we want a few eggs have to be broken. Nobody ever got anything without asking for it.

Modifié par DarkSpider88, 13 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[Militarized]

Zanallen wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
 the people giving it 1 on metacritic for having homosexuality are trustworthy I hear.

Yep, they are just as trustworthy as the 10/10 folks that admit to not having played the game.  I counted a dozen of them in under 3 minutes of scanning the reviews.  ****** for tat as they say.

And this thinking is why user reviews are worthless. One person gives it a 10, three people give it a 0 in retaliation.

The majority on Amazon that come up immediatly are long winded, 2 star reviews that have legitimate concerns. They give a secondary 4-5 stars in most for the game being fun but the overall score is destroyed by the ending. As it should be. 

[Benrosan]

It's sad, but nothing motivates the EA drones like a loss of revenue.

[Painaid]

Good. This is the only way to make BioWare/EA listen to us. They have wronged their fans in the worst way imaginable. Time for them to feel the heat.

[Splinter Cell 108]

This is what is needed. EA was forced to change its Origin policies in Germany when BF3 reviews on Amazon hurt it badly. This isn't even in just one country or one forum its pretty much everywhere. BioWare was pressured into changing Deception and that mess was not a big as this one is. This can be done, EA and BioWare can be pressured into fixing this. These reviews and these articles represent that there is an effect.

Didn't this community also force that woman who called ME1 a se* simulator into apologizing when they gave her books bad reviews? It can be done and I hope it happens, Mass Effect deserves better.