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[Mara281]

SilentK wrote...

On a funnier note:

FemShep(that didn't romance Garrus in ME2), Liara and Vega walks towards the airlocks.
Liara: How come you never bring Kaidan to any missions? I thought that you would be happy to have him back on the ship?
FemShep: And risk anything happening to the last male LI in the galaxy, no way! Kaidan ain't getting of the Normandy, ever!
The camera pans over the Normandy, Kaidan is seen looking out of the windows, longingly.

edit: spelling fail

LOL Thank you so much  We need a little more funny in this thread. Maybe we should just lock up all the boys on the Normandy so that BW can't kill them off!

[Mara281]

Carfax wrote...

Mara281 wrote...

That girls are just eye candy and guys need MORE romances when THEY play femshep to live out their own lesbian wet dreams? That your female fan base is not important to you except in only the most base manner? Or maybe it’s that we are so beneath your notice anymore that you can completely abandon female equality in one of your biggest and most anticipated games ever. What a statement.

I don't see why you're so surprised.  At most, females comprise about 10% of the Mass Effect consumer base.  You really expect them to cater to women the same way they cater to guys, who are 90% of their consumers?

If you're wondering how I arrived at 10%, I merely halved the supposed 20% (or 18% I should say) of FemShep players in ME2.  The other FemShep players are guys, the weak beta male types that prefer to play as a woman.  You can thank them for the extra F/F romances that made their way into ME3. 
 

This just means we have more reason to be surprised as BW was one of the very few companies that was pioneering a more level playing field for the gals. I also highly doubt that only 10% of the market is women. I don't think they would have marketed femshep as much as they did if the numbers weren't closer to 25-30%. There are A LOT more female gamers out there now than then was 5-10 years ago. BW tapping into that market earlier than many other companies was actually an extremely smart move. So why the backslide? They most likely had LESS female players back when ME1 first came out. Add in the DA and DA2 where the romances are very balanced and I'd say the expectation that they would continue that level of equality and continue to improve it moving forward with S/S romances as well is pretty clear.

[Alknost]

Screwing up Femshep's hetero romances in ME3, or presuming they're all lesbians is not a way to keep female customers. I probably won't finish my playthroughs, I've lost interest already with how Thanemancers were shafted. I feel even worse for those who 'manced Jacob. I don't have a lot of free time to play musical romances with multiple playthroughs, and from what I'm seeing Femshep did not receive equal treatment, and unlike ME2 the romances were not as well handled by the writers/devs as male Sheps' were. Crying shame after ME2 offered so much potential and ME3 could have been incredible. Now, I may as well delete my character.

I'm afraid bioware has lost me as a future female customer. I feel VERY shortchanged in ME3, and I'll take my disposable income elsewhere. I also have 3 female friends who I recommended the game to, and I will be informing them to save their money and play something else.

Modifié par Alknost, 14 mars 2012 - 07:04 .

[SilentK]

Alknost wrote...

Screwing up Femshep's hetero romances in ME3, or presuming they're all lesbians is not a way to keep female customers. I probably won't finish my playthroughs, I've lost interest already with how Thanemancers were shafted. I feel even worse for those who 'manced Jacob. I don't have a lot of free time to play musical romances with multiple playthroughs, and from what I'm seeing Femshep did not receive equal treatment, and unlike ME2 the romances were not as well handled by the writers/devs as male Sheps' were. Crying shame after ME2 offered so much potential and ME3 could have been incredible. Now, I may as well delete my character.

I'm afraid bioware has lost me as a future female customer. I feel VERY shortchanged in ME3, and I'll take my disposable income elsewhere. I also have 3 female friends who I recommended the game to, and I will be informing them to save their money and play something else.

Don't tell them not to play. If I managed to get any of my girlfriends to actually play a game I love I would be jumping around the apartement right now with joy. The romance-arc for Kaidan is wonderful, as is Liara and Garrus. There is love to be had for FemShep. I see this as trying to make sure that if Bioware start, well, sending LI:s out of the game they should take a look at how it affects both BroShep and FemShep. But I would never tell anyone to stop playing. I will really miss not continuing with Jacob, whom I adored. But I would not skip the game. Kaidan, Garrus and Liara would miss their FemSheps. Well, for Garrus there will be future FemSheps. Have to go back to ME2 for him.

If anything we want more FemSheps    =)  

[WarChicken78]

Ladies, I don't understand you.
First off - the romances are not, what this game is about - they are a nice bonus (and a good one I might add).
Second, don't we all agree tha quality is more valuable than quantity? My Ladyshepard romanced garrus, and it's the peak of cuteness.
I can agree, that fact that the "official" shepard is male is arguable, and the amount of lesbian ones is indeed hinting that the game is developed for a male audience (wich is factually the vast maiority - you have to achnolage that), but complaining about the raw numbers of possible romances? Come on, you'll find something more worthy to complain about, won't you?

[Mara281]

SilentK wrote...

Alknost wrote...

Screwing up Femshep's hetero romances in ME3, or presuming they're all lesbians is not a way to keep female customers. I probably won't finish my playthroughs, I've lost interest already with how Thanemancers were shafted. I feel even worse for those who 'manced Jacob. I don't have a lot of free time to play musical romances with multiple playthroughs, and from what I'm seeing Femshep did not receive equal treatment, and unlike ME2 the romances were not as well handled by the writers/devs as male Sheps' were. Crying shame after ME2 offered so much potential and ME3 could have been incredible. Now, I may as well delete my character.

I'm afraid bioware has lost me as a future female customer. I feel VERY shortchanged in ME3, and I'll take my disposable income elsewhere. I also have 3 female friends who I recommended the game to, and I will be informing them to save their money and play something else.

Don't tell them not to play. If I managed to get any of my girlfriends to actually play a game I love I would be jumping around the apartement right now with joy. The romance-arc for Kaidan is wonderful, as is Liara and Garrus. There is love to be had for FemShep. I see this as trying to make sure that if Bioware start, well, sending LI:s out of the game they should take a look at how it affects both BroShep and FemShep. But I would never tell anyone to stop playing. I will really miss not continuing with Jacob, whom I adored. But I would not skip the game. Kaidan, Garrus and Liara would miss their FemSheps. Well, for Garrus there will be future FemSheps. Have to go back to ME2 for him.

If anything we want more FemSheps    =)  

So true. The more females we get into the market of gaming the better because then we have more demand power in the long run The point isn't to stop playing the game, especially if you love the story and have already bought it. ME3 by no means is a bad game (IMO). It's an amazing game and one of the most cinematically beautiful games I've seen. It's also got some of the most heart wreching moments in any BW game I've ever played and really made me so proud of many of our side characters. While there are some things that could have been done better (there are always things that could be done better), we don't want to drive away fans. We want them to stand up and let BW know that we aren't happy with this change, because it is a dynamic change compared to how they have been treating female players in the past. The more voices we have the better chance we have of being heard and that makes it more likely for them to not make the same mistake in the future.

Modifié par Mara281, 14 mars 2012 - 08:28 .

[SilentK]

WarChicken78 wrote...

Ladies, I don't understand you.
First off - the romances are not, what this game is about - they are a nice bonus (and a good one I might add).
Second, don't we all agree tha quality is more valuable than quantity? My Ladyshepard romanced garrus, and it's the peak of cuteness.
I can agree, that fact that the "official" shepard is male is arguable, and the amount of lesbian ones is indeed hinting that the game is developed for a male audience (wich is factually the vast maiority - you have to achnolage that), but complaining about the raw numbers of possible romances? Come on, you'll find something more worthy to complain about, won't you?

Perhaps the romances do not mean so much to you, would you feel comfortable to switch the  amount of coverange Miranda get's with Jacob and Thane with Jack, then perhaps that's the case. The thing is that Tali and Garrus both got really good romance-arcs in ME3 but that is where it ends. Thane and Jacob got almost no time in the game, and some very very bad combos of romanced + friendly -dialouge. If it had only been Jacob, whom I adore, who got mistreated it would be one thing. But both Thane and Jacob. And no new male LI:s. It is not just about raw numbers, it is about the attetion give to these romance-arcs. Or lack of it. Thane could have gotten a beautiful sad romance-arc, there are some really good tragic love-stories so they could have made it great, if they wanted to. But don't worry about it   =)    if you don't find talking about things that are important to you worthy then you will not get this. Have fun on the forum.

[Mara281]

WarChicken78 wrote...

Ladies, I don't understand you.
First off - the romances are not, what this game is about - they are a nice bonus (and a good one I might add).
Second, don't we all agree tha quality is more valuable than quantity? My Ladyshepard romanced garrus, and it's the peak of cuteness.
I can agree, that fact that the "official" shepard is male is arguable, and the amount of lesbian ones is indeed hinting that the game is developed for a male audience (wich is factually the vast maiority - you have to achnolage that), but complaining about the raw numbers of possible romances? Come on, you'll find something more worthy to complain about, won't you?

You might have missed my reply about that further up, but this isn't JUST about the romances. It's about the bigger picture of female players getting LESS in their games, especially in a BW game where they had previously been getting better at creating an equal playing ground. It's about sliding backward on the scale when the female market in games is growing. If we keep the attitude that it's all okay because more guys game than girls, then the problem just gets worse. Female players continue to be neglected, we continue to receive lesser treatment in a huge market because men don't think we deserve to have the same quality of gaming experience as they do. Do you really think that just because I'm a woman, I should receive fewer perks in a game? If you want an example - that would be like both of us buying the CE but only the guy gets the downloadable content. The girls still got the art book and patch... shouldn't that be enough? That's what the lack of romances feels like. You got MORE than we did. You got BETTER treatment than we did. And I don't think that's fair.

[Alknost]

SilentK wrote...

Don't tell them not to play.

Nope, I am still going to tell them what I think. Money is better spent elsewhere. BW really messed up in ME3 what they were starting to do right in ME2 for hetero female gamers, a huge step back. Had I known how badly they were going to screw up so many of the Femshep romances I would have cancelled my pre-order. I have absolutely zero incentive to play. Bioware just lost another Femshep.

If I managed to get any of my girlfriends to actually play a game I love I would be jumping around the apartement right now with joy.

Hey, if you love the game, good for you. Keep on enjoying it. But I refuse to recommend a product to others that has let me down.

The romance-arc for Kaidan is wonderful,

 I don't agree it was a good romance because the writers did a lot to steer people into that choice.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you like Kaidan, but the Kaidan romance is a forced one as I saw it. Especially if you romanced an ME2 character, the dialog tries to force you back to Kaidan by omitting choices that favor your ME2 romance. Not cool.

as is Liara

That presumes that I want to play a lesbian femshep. Sure, Liara is a good option if you don't play a straight femshep, but again, this presumes that all female gamers are lebsians and want lesbian options to be happy. I can only speak for myself as a straight female player. I do not mind lesbian relationship options as long as there are COMPERABLE straight relationship options for the femshep with what is offered to male-shep. ME3 did not deliver this. Maleshep had many more staight options than the femshep did, and half of the femshep options were very badly written so there was no closure or fulfillment.

and Garrus.

Yes, Garrus was- in my opinion- the only straight femshep romance option that was a GOOD one in all respects. But that's incongruous compared to what is offered to the hetero male shep.

There is love to be had for FemShep.

If you're willing to settle for much less than what the hetro male shep got.

I see this as trying to make sure that if Bioware start, well, sending LI:s out of the game they should take a look at how it affects both BroShep and FemShep. But I would never tell anyone to stop playing.

I'm not telling them to stop playing as they don't own the game yet, I'd be disuading them from buying ME3 in the first place since I was sorely disappointed. Bioware may have made some strides towards appealing to a female audience with ME2, but they took a big step backward in ME3 with the treatment of the romances and lack of options compared to the male counterparts.

I will really miss not continuing with Jacob, whom I adored. But I would not skip the game. Kaidan, Garrus and Liara would miss their FemSheps. Well, for Garrus there will be future FemSheps. Have to go back to ME2 for him.

Jacobmancers and Thanemancers got horribly screwed and there weren't any additional LIs for femshep that weren't female. Pity, Vega's flirting was cute, it would be nice if it went somewhere.

If anything we want more FemSheps    =)  

More femsheps is something Bioware has to earn. I am not going to promote their product to my female gamer friends, when they clearly design the LIs to favor the straight male gamer while they take away options from the Femshep. If they're claiming to want to appeal to female gamers, they need to walk their talk.

Modifié par Alknost, 14 mars 2012 - 08:07 .

[Carfax]

Mara281 wrote...

This just means we have more reason to be surprised as BW was one of the very few companies that was pioneering a more level playing field for the gals. I also highly doubt that only 10% of the market is women.

The vast majority of women gamers play casual games, not games like Mass Effect.  If women were a larger part of Bioware's consumer base, it would have been reflected in their marketing campaign.
 

I don't think they would have marketed femshep as much as they did if the numbers weren't closer to 25-30%.

What marketing?  Bioware waited until ME3 to have a FemShep trailer, and even then, it took an inordinate amount of arm twisting to get them to release it.

There are A LOT more female gamers out there now than then was 5-10 years ago. BW tapping into that market earlier than many other companies was actually an extremely smart move. So why the backslide? They most likely had LESS female players back when ME1 first came out. Add in the DA and DA2 where the romances are very balanced and I'd say the expectation that they would continue that level of equality and continue to improve it moving forward with S/S romances as well is pretty clear.

Like I said before, most female gamers play casual games.....and by casual, I mean facebook games and the like..

For games like Mass Effect, the consumer base is heavily dominated by men, which is why the game is the way it is, and why it's marketed almost entirely to men.

[Mara281]

Carfax wrote...

Mara281 wrote...

This just means we have more reason to be surprised as BW was one of the very few companies that was pioneering a more level playing field for the gals. I also highly doubt that only 10% of the market is women.

The vast majority of women gamers play casual games, not games like Mass Effect.  If women were a larger part of Bioware's consumer base, it would have been reflected in their marketing campaign.
 

I don't think they would have marketed femshep as much as they did if the numbers weren't closer to 25-30%.

What marketing?  Bioware waited until ME3 to have a FemShep trailer, and even then, it took an inordinate amount of arm twisting to get them to release it.

There are A LOT more female gamers out there now than then was 5-10 years ago. BW tapping into that market earlier than many other companies was actually an extremely smart move. So why the backslide? They most likely had LESS female players back when ME1 first came out. Add in the DA and DA2 where the romances are very balanced and I'd say the expectation that they would continue that level of equality and continue to improve it moving forward with S/S romances as well is pretty clear.

Like I said before, most female gamers play casual games.....and by casual, I mean facebook games and the like..

For games like Mass Effect, the consumer base is heavily dominated by men, which is why the game is the way it is, and why it's marketed almost entirely to men.

So what are you saying? That it's okay to treat female players as second rate when previously BW had been trying to treat them more equally? I'm not sure what you're getting at here, unless it's just to point out that I'm mistaken in thinking that more women play big release games than just 10%. In that case, I may be wrong. But should that excuse it? Shouldn't we all be working for more equality in games and trying to INCLUDE a greater variety of people in the gaming market?

Modifié par Mara281, 14 mars 2012 - 08:20 .

[Mara281]

Alknost wrote...

 If they're claiming to want to appeal to female gamers, they need to walk their talk.

Exactly

[RilantheFirebug]

WarChicken78 wrote...

Ladies, I don't understand you.
First off - the romances are not, what this game is about - they are a nice bonus (and a good one I might add).
Second, don't we all agree tha quality is more valuable than quantity? My Ladyshepard romanced garrus, and it's the peak of cuteness.
I can agree, that fact that the "official" shepard is male is arguable, and the amount of lesbian ones is indeed hinting that the game is developed for a male audience (wich is factually the vast maiority - you have to achnolage that), but complaining about the raw numbers of possible romances? Come on, you'll find something more worthy to complain about, won't you?

Seriously. I'm also chick and romanced Garrus and found it extremely satisfying.

[Kaija]

Mara281, Thank you so much for so eloquently putting this complaint together!


And this coming from a female gamer (started on Doom and been a dedicated player ever since) who plays on Insanity and has both male and female Shepard playthroughs.

Modifié par Kaija, 14 mars 2012 - 09:09 .

[Mara281]

Been PMing with someone that can't post on the board, but they offered to share some ideas so I'm posting their thoughts (with permission).

"I’m livid that I can’t throw my weight around the thread and give a piece of my mind on this subject that it’s been bothering me since the other 2 games, you know like the oversexualization of women through out the game (don‘t even get me started on the new femshep dress and the outfit for the ‘dancers‘), having a race of women just to service puerile male fantasies, etc.
Where is the race of gorgeous - all males?

The fact that it’s possible to have a same sex type relationship with femshep [kelly-liara-that asari creep at the citadel in the first game] but the same is impossible for maleshep, there are no males (or even pseudo-males) for him to experiment with in the first 2 games, only in the third one the option is added and some in the gay community are already complaining about it: that the way they are being portrayed is clichéd and disgustingly stereotypical.

Also I don’t agree at all that girl gamers are a minority for this franchise. In my experience this is one of the series of video games with the highest rate of girl gamers. The reason is simple; it’s an RPG. That involves dialogue, story, characters interactions, romance etc, all the kind of things that most girls tend to go for when it comes to other things like movies, tv shows, books etc. Guys are more into shooting, fighting, and blowing things up, there’s some of that in ME but not as much as in other games.
So in my opinion that old argument that: ‘not enough girls play the game so their wishes are overlooked purely from a financial perspective’ is little else but an excuse, and a very poor at that.

Oh and I almost forgot, it’s clear that the message from the developers for these games is that unless women are there for eye candy they have no reason for existing. Point in case: ME1&2 there are no female krogan, salarian, turian [etc] Suspect reason number one: they wouldn’t be pretty enough to include them in the games.
We finally get to glimpse at a fem Krogan on the third game only to find her covered from head to toe for unknown and most likely dubious reasons and 1 fem Salarian. Thank you and good night. .......Ehhhhh?????"




I would so LOVE to see BW make a  race of all gorgeous males

Modifié par Mara281, 14 mars 2012 - 09:21 .

[jack of tears]

I was more upset that there were no deep same sex returning relationships available aside from Liara. Sure, you have Trayner, but she doesn't have the depth and history that any of the returning characters does and the other woman was so easily avoided I didn't even notice her. What about Tali, or Miranda, or Ashley? Characters you got to build relationships with in the previous games? Tali was even supposed to be a s/s option in ME2 originally, before they backed off and I had really been holding out hope they'd work her back in for this game, but they let me down again ... so she's still the unrequited crush of my Femshep's life.

Last game you didn't even get a female s/s unless you bought the dlc - and no I don't count the one night stand with Kelly. This time you have the option of jumping right in the sack with Samantha on the first date, too ... what are they saying about lesbian romances there? (after only a couple conversations even less substantial than those you had before sleeping with Kelly, for that matter ... I *tried* to just play chess with her the first time, thinking maybe we'd progress later in the game, but because I made that choice I was punished with no romance options with her at all.)

Don't get me wrong, I like Liara, but when I talked to her about our relationship on the Citadel it turned into a proposal for marriage and I think that was going a bit far. (especially considering Asari live to be a thousand years old and that brings a lot of baggage with it when you start talking about long term relationships.) Not that it mattered in the end, I suppose ... had I known that would end any further romance talk in its tracks and all my end game choices would effectively result in me dead I might have gone ahead and proposed after all. (I was glad we were still portrayed as very close friends throughout the game, but it would have been nice if that one conversation hadn't ended our relationship - since I had told her in an earlier conversation that I wanted to be more than friends.)

But, yeah, apparently the only option lesbians have is marriage or promiscuity.

[jack of tears]

Mara281 wrote...

We finally get to glimpse at a fem Krogan on the third game only to find her covered from head to toe for unknown and most likely dubious reasons and 1 fem Salarian. Thank you and good night. .......Ehhhhh?????"[/i]
I would so LOVE to see BW make a  race of all gorgeous males

I think it should be pointed out that we get quite a few female alien characters in ME3 and that is certainly because the fans have been clamouring for it since the first game.  So you can't say BW isn't listening, or evening trying to be inclusive in that regard. 

And, yeah, I think it would be only fair to have a race of all beefcakes to offset the all cheesecake Asari. 

[Meatus]

I can't believe the amount of people trying to say that it's totally justifiable to give females LESS of a possibility of a diverse gaming experience than males, because a smaller percentage of the demographic of gamers is comprised of females.

Well guess what? More females make up the college student demographic in the US. Does that mean that it's totally justifiable to give male college students fewer classes that they can sign up for? To give them a less diverse educational experience and fewer opportunities, because they make up a smaller percentage? Even though they pay the same for their education as anyone else? Think about that. And have fun trying to justify it.

Modifié par Meatus, 14 mars 2012 - 09:58 .

[Mara281]

jack of tears wrote...

I think it should be pointed out that we get quite a few female alien characters in ME3 and that is certainly because the fans have been clamouring for it since the first game.  So you can't say BW isn't listening, or evening trying to be inclusive in that regard. 

And, yeah, I think it would be only fair to have a race of all beefcakes to offset the all cheesecake Asari. 

I'm not sure about that. As far as I know we get to see one female krogan, one female salarian, no female turians, no female drell, no female volus, elcor, or hanar (though I have no idea if there even are females in their races). We get a huge slew of asari, but that's nothing new. We very much hope BW is listening. They've listened to a lot on other issues with previous games.
 
Off topic and expanding on that thought of the alien females presented though - why aren't there any female salarians in STG?  Aren't female salarians smart? No female turians at all? I think they would definitely be on the front helping fight the reapers right along side the men. Why aren't there any female krogan mercenaries? Even with the reasons Eve provides, would we really never see even one other female krogan out there? I think there would be a least a few krogan females who would prefer to fight back as mercenaries than to give up on life and wait for death via thresher maw. Really, what does that say about women? That when given with the prospect that we're infertile that our sole purpose for life is gone? That we have no reason to live? I'm glad that they put in with Eve that she mentions her life began after her stillborn and they had to live on hope. That she chose to be strong, to keep living, to find something. I really admired Eve's character. I think she paints a much more positive view of women. But some of the others... the Dalatrass is incomplacable, the asari councillor refuses to stand with the rest of the galaxy. It felt like only the male leaders are treated in a good light, that they were trying to make alliances, to look past their mistakes. They are all there working together to save the galaxy and apparently the women are simply interfering or making it harder for them. hmmm.... while this may not pertain specifically to femshep not getting equal treatment in the game, it does open more doors about the implications said about women.

[Mara281]

Meatus wrote...

I can't believe the amount of people trying to say that it's totally justifiable to give females LESS of a possibility of a diverse gaming experience than males, because a smaller percentage of the demographic of gamers is comprised of females.

Well guess what? More females make up the college student demographic in the US. Does that mean that it's totally justifiable to give male college students fewer classes that they can sign up for? To give them a less diverse educational experience and fewer opportunities, because they make up a smaller percentage? Even though they pay the same for their education as anyone else? Think about that. And have fun trying to justify it.

Thank you, Meatus So very well said!

[dreman9999]

 I donn't get this topic.
 In ME1 you had Kaiden.
In ME2  You had Jacob,Garrus, and Thane.
In ME3, the only romace options add are gay romances.

If you complaining that  the romance option you have in ME3 you don't like...That just mean you just want Jacob.
If it's about having the npc cater to your loss with thane.... I presonally don't think it a big deal.

And with Jame, a romace will not work with the type of character they were making with him.....It's a master/student relation ship between you and him. He suppose to be a reflection of what you (Shepard) were before ME1.

[Mara281]

dreman9999 wrote...

 I donn't get this topic.
 In ME1 you had Kaiden.
In ME2  You had Jacob,Garrus, and Thane.
In ME3, the only romace options add are gay romances.

If you complaining that  the romance option you have in ME3 you don't like...That just mean you just want Jacob.
If it's about having the npc cater to your loss with thane.... I presonally don't think it a big deal.

And with Jame, a romace will not work with the type of character they were making with him.....It's a master/student relation ship between you and him. He suppose to be a reflection of what you (Shepard) were before ME1.

 

Read through all the posts and maybe you'll get it

[dreman9999]

Meatus wrote...

I can't believe the amount of people trying to say that it's totally justifiable to give females LESS of a possibility of a diverse gaming experience than males, because a smaller percentage of the demographic of gamers is comprised of females.

Well guess what? More females make up the college student demographic in the US. Does that mean that it's totally justifiable to give male college students fewer classes that they can sign up for? To give them a less diverse educational experience and fewer opportunities, because they make up a smaller percentage? Even though they pay the same for their education as anyone else? Think about that. And have fun trying to justify it.

Let's see.
The guys get:
Liara
Tali
Ashley
Miranda
Jack
Cortez

The girls get
Liara
Thane
Kaiden
Garrus
Traynor
but have more gay romaces then straight. because of Liara.

You guy have less straight  romances.... The only problem would be if you don't like the options in Hand.

[dreman9999]

Mara281 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

 I donn't get this topic.
 In ME1 you had Kaiden.
In ME2  You had Jacob,Garrus, and Thane.
In ME3, the only romace options add are gay romances.

If you complaining that  the romance option you have in ME3 you don't like...That just mean you just want Jacob.
If it's about having the npc cater to your loss with thane.... I presonally don't think it a big deal.

And with Jame, a romace will not work with the type of character they were making with him.....It's a master/student relation ship between you and him. He suppose to be a reflection of what you (Shepard) were before ME1.

 

Read through all the posts and maybe you'll get it

I did...Are the options in hand really that bad? You say Garrus is too alien, but you don't thing that same can be said for tali?
Thane does die but that was what was in hand with the character we you met him. So it's a given. You guys just don't have alot od straght sex romances.

[Mara281]

dreman9999 wrote...

Mara281 wrote...

Read through all the posts and maybe you'll get it

I did...Are the options in hand really that bad? You say Garrus is too alien, but you don't thing that same can be said for tali?
Thane does die but that was what was in hand with the character we you met him. So it's a given. You guys just don't have alot od straght sex romances.

 
Maybe you've missed the point then. In previous games female players had a more equal playing field with game content in BW games (romances specifically). It wasn't completely equal, but it was there and it was improving. Women were finally gaining more ground in the gaming industry. Someone was paying attention to us. BW was paying attention to us. Now ME3 is a huge game, widely anticipated. BW, for the first time that I know of, did a small marketing campaign targeted at female players specifically. Yet we receive less content with our romances in ME3. We receive fewer romance opportunities as well as bad treatment for 2 of the 3 possible romances we had in the previous game. It's a huge step backwards. It's a slap in the face. It's a move that says female players don't matter to them anymore. We want to stop this from getting worse. We want this to be fixed. We want to let BW know that we ARE important. That we DO matter. Hopefully, that helps, but I think I made the point better in my previous responses