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[razviolet]

 Oh and another thing. I find it hysterical how male Krogans
are all ‘rawr me smash!’ while the females are depicted as vastly more intelligent.
They sheppard their man-child males in the right direction and to me seem to
run the show despite their current abysmal gender ratio. When you have a chat
with Eve it’s obvious how matriarchal their society really is. Heck the supposedly
most advanced and intelligent race of the cycle is all women (Asari). I still
love Wrex and Grunt and find the Krogan appealing. Their simple enthusiasm even
if it’s purely for the fight is a nice breather from all the political BS and array
of angry/moping characters. They can crack some good jokes too. Oh Wrex when
will you get your delicacy of Salarian liver (troll face).

[venusara]

Spiffy McBang wrote...

Traynor is about Shepard's size.  I'm pretty sure Jack looks normal too (apart from the tats, I mean).  According to my roommate, who's an artist, big boobs are easier to draw on a woman than small ones, so when I see lots of mega-****** bouncing around, I just tend to assume it's because of that.  Either the same thing applies in 3D, or a lot of artists just do that as a matter of course because it was easier while they learned to draw, so that's how they've always designed female characters.

I'm not saying it should simply be accepted as How Things Are, just that there may be reasons for it beyond a bunch of dudes wanting to draw a bunch of easily objectifiable women.

I'm an artist too, my favorite subject is people/the human body. There is absolutely NO excuse to not know how to draw realistic women, and I don't think Biowares artists would say that they slapped double d's 90% of the female population because they were being lazy. I think it was very much intentional. Not saying it bothers me, I just don't think it's due to lazieness. 

[razviolet]

earthdaddy wrote...

Speaking of tragic, I was really moved when Mordin gave his life to cure the genophage. I tried to tell him on the shuttle when it was just he and the female Krogan, but the cut scene throttled that, and I didn't want to say anything in front of the Krogan leader in the truck because Default Shep killed Wrex in volume 1 and this new guy was a douche who would have really taken it out on the Salarians. I really liked Mordin, and it was well written.

Don't get me started on Mordin. That was probably one of the most depressing, amazing and bittersweet moments in the game for me. My paragon Shep spent all of ME2 trying to convince Mordin the genophage was wrong then in ME3 when he finally turns around to not only cure the genophage he created but he doesn't even hesitate to sacrifice his life to correct it. My poor Femshep felt she pushed Mordin to his death. 

[Mara281]

Spiffy McBang wrote...

 

medusa_hair wrote... Don't even get me started on why every single woman (except Shepard, thank God) has giant breasts (even Samara!) and looks like they wear an antigravity bra (can I get one of those?).

Traynor is about Shepard's size.  I'm pretty sure Jack looks normal too (apart from the tats, I mean).  According to my roommate, who's an artist, big boobs are easier to draw on a woman than small ones, so when I see lots of mega-****** bouncing around, I just tend to assume it's because of that.  Either the same thing applies in 3D, or a lot of artists just do that as a matter of course because it was easier while they learned to draw, so that's how they've always designed female characters.

I'm not saying it should simply be accepted as How Things Are, just that there may be reasons for it beyond a bunch of dudes wanting to draw a bunch of easily objectifiable women.

I would love an antigravity bra as well

The booby thing doesn't bother me too much because BW does do the whole ultra pecks and beefy biceps on the guys. While it's probably not exactly healthy to have a game full of perfectly ripped guys and sexy perky gals, at least BW is doing that to both genders.  That said, there's definitely more eye service done for the guys. Miranda's butt anyone? I'd like to see how this would go over if they did the same thing to a guy character and all the male players had to stare at it during the conversations, lol.

[medusa_hair]

jupitertronic wrote...

I don't want to be a jerk and I'm sure this is obvious, but as a big-chested girl it kinda hurts my feelings to hear that small boobs are "normal" and big ones aren't. I'm shaped a lot more like Liara than FemShep, and I know the popular opinion in the world seems to be that that somehow makes me a hussy, but that's just the genetic hand I was dealt.

Actually I wish there was more variation in all the humanoid models in the game. Apparently everyone except the volus have cured obesity in the future, and everyone is the same height. Hah.

Anyway, I know what you guys meant. Just wanted to add that there are different points of view when it comes to body shapes in games. In general I've actually always applauded Mass Effect for having fairly realistic body shapes on their human characters.

Except the arms. FemShep has scary Angelina Jolie arms when she isn't wearing long sleeves and it freaks me out.

(Edit) This went a bit off-topic, sorry. I think I was trying not to think about how horribly the Thane/FemShep romance played out, because UGH. I've been hunting for fix-it fan fic non-stop for like 5 days straight now. Best one yet: Garrus finds Shep in Life Support holding a datapad with Thane's letter on it and then talks to her about it, because that's what SHOULD have happened.

Bah, I'm bitter.

I simply meant that EVERY woman in the world doesn't look like that.  Some women actually look more like Jack in that department.  I didn't mean to offend you. I think my issue is more the antigravity bra they are all wearing.  If only that were real... 

I agree...you never see any human of more than ideal weight, even if they are older (although I think Anderson is a little thick through the middle at the end, but not at the beginning, interestingly.

I agree about her forearms...too long sometimes!

For the straight person who starts ME3 with no romance in either prior game, there is one option for women.  Kaidan, that's it.  If you killed him in ME1, you are out of luck.  I could be wrong, but there are two options for men in this situation - Ashley and Liara, correct?  So if you kill Ashley in ME1, you still have an option.  It would have been nice to have James as an option.  It helps replayability as well...in ME2 you had three options and you could play again and choose someone else for a little different experience.

And Thane was treated badly...he was my LI in ME2 and I wish we could have had more interaction before his fine fight with Leng (the creep) and very touching death.  But I think that goes for anyone who had LIs in ME3, for the most part there was little interaction with them on that level.

Modifié par medusa_hair, 17 mars 2012 - 09:43 .

[medusa_hair]

Mara281 wrote...



The booby thing doesn't bother me too much because BW does do the whole ultra pecks and beefy biceps on the guys. While it's probably not exactly healthy to have a game full of perfectly ripped guys and sexy perky gals, at least BW is doing that to both genders.  That said, there's definitely more eye service done for the guys. Miranda's butt anyone? I'd like to see how this would go over if they did the same thing to a guy character and all the male players had to stare at it during the conversations, lol.

Yes, I did notice that Kaidan was pretty ripped when he was in the hospital, which I thought was kind of odd, actually, because when clothed it didn't come across that way.  And I have to say I chuckled when the camera was focused on Vega's giant biceps and pecs while he was doing the pull-ups...I actually find guys who are over-built like that a turn-OFF.  Blah. 

Miranda's default suit made me cringe every time I looked at her...I didn't like her personality either so the suit just made it worse.  My husband, however, is playing ME2 and he LOVES the white suit, so I guess BioWare did their job.

Hah!  Yes, what if the male characters all wore tight white pants with similarly-contoured black leather detailing so all their assets were accentuated...I'll bet that would go over real well! lol 

Modifié par medusa_hair, 17 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[Femmefatality07]

medusa_hair wrote...

Mara281 wrote...



The booby thing doesn't bother me too much because BW does do the whole ultra pecks and beefy biceps on the guys. While it's probably not exactly healthy to have a game full of perfectly ripped guys and sexy perky gals, at least BW is doing that to both genders.  That said, there's definitely more eye service done for the guys. Miranda's butt anyone? I'd like to see how this would go over if they did the same thing to a guy character and all the male players had to stare at it during the conversations, lol.

Yes, I did notice that Kaidan was pretty ripped when he was in the hospital, which I thought was kind of odd, actually, because when clothed it didn't come across that way.  And I have to say I chuckled when the camera was focused on Vega's giant biceps and pecs while he was doing the pull-ups...I actually find guys who are over-built like that a turn-OFF.  Blah. 

Miranda's default suit made me cringe every time I looked at her...I didn't like her personality either so the suit just made it worse.  My husband, however, is playing ME2 and he LOVES the white suit, so I guess BioWare did their job.

Hah!  Yes, what if the male characters all wore tight white pants with similarly-contoured black leather detailing so all their assets were accentuated...I'll bet that would go over real well! lol 

Oh. you shoulda added "See: Jacob"

[Mara281]

medusa_hair wrote...

Hah!  Yes, what if the male characters all wore tight white pants with similarly-contoured black leather detailing so all their assets were accentuated...I'll bet that would go over real well! lol 

Someone should make us a calendar of this, lol. The Men of Mass Effect

Modifié par Mara281, 17 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[HBC Dresden]

razviolet wrote...

 Oh and another thing. I find it hysterical how male Krogans
are all ‘rawr me smash!’ while the females are depicted as vastly more intelligent.
They sheppard their man-child males in the right direction and to me seem to
run the show despite their current abysmal gender ratio. When you have a chat
with Eve it’s obvious how matriarchal their society really is. Heck the supposedly
most advanced and intelligent race of the cycle is all women (Asari). I still
love Wrex and Grunt and find the Krogan appealing. Their simple enthusiasm even
if it’s purely for the fight is a nice breather from all the political BS and array
of angry/moping characters. They can crack some good jokes too. Oh Wrex when
will you get your delicacy of Salarian liver (troll face).

Instead of PC BS, I took the female krogan being more intelligent because their evolution did not demand the necessity of "blood rage" found in the males. That was a rare trait but became the dominant because of the "survival of the fittest" following their nuclear war. And because the krogans were always protective of the women, they did not need to maintain the blood rage trait.

[razviolet]

 

HBC Dresden wrote...

Instead of PC BS, I took the female krogan being more intelligent because their evolution did not demand the necessity of "blood rage" found in the males. That was a rare trait but became the dominant because of the "survival of the fittest" following their nuclear war. And because the krogans were always protective of the women, they did not need to maintain the blood rage trait.

That's totally true about the Krogan being a product of their environment. In fact they state proudly and often that they are tough because of the harsh conditions. It sounds like the ancient Krogan were a lot different before they got to the point of nuking their own planet and the conversations while running through their ruins seem to elude to that. I also remember in ME2 there was a Krogan male who was so calm compared to all the others we had met in the game I did a double take. I can’t remember where that was though.

I was just pointing out how the females seemed to be calling all the shots. Several times paragon Shep thinks what the Krogan are doing to their females is crude but she is always told that the females were the ones to suggest the methods in the first place. And Mordin has said he prefers to talk to the girls since they are more willing to listen and converse. 

Modifié par razviolet, 17 mars 2012 - 11:26 .

[medusa_hair]

Mara281 wrote...

Someone should make us a calendar of this, lol. The Men of Mass Effect

LOL - it would have to include Garrus doing some calibrations!

[Charane]

I agree with the OP, not as fervently but I thought as a long time female gamer that plays only FPS or RPG I should stand up with my fellow girl gamers.

Then I started reading these posts, I had no idea that there were no options for a hetro Shep if Kaiden and Garrus were dead or dead/denied. Forget drooling over Vega, I'll just go cry in a corner...sniff.

[SkitSkit]

The OP has a very good point, though why her computer is in the kitchen is beyond me

JOKES JOKES!

[Mara281]

SkitSkit wrote...

The OP has a very good point, though why her computer is in the kitchen is beyond me

JOKES JOKES!

 
That's where I keep all the chocolate to soothe my broken heart over everything that went wrong with ME3 Couldn't write this stuff without some theobromine comfort!

[flamingplatypus]

The is so ****ing disheartening. Seriously, Mass Effect was escapism for me from a world where old men try to take away my rights, and where I can except a whopping $.75 for every dollar my similarly educated and experienced male peers will make. Being able to play as a powerful and competent female character who shoots what she wants and ****s what she wants was extremely cathartic.
In ME3, Bioware basically told me that the only thing that my Shepard (and by extension, myself) is good for is sleeping with other women for the sake of male fanservice.

[LilaNoir]

As a female gamer, I guess I can understand your sentiment and argument, but it’s rather off putting how you largely based this “injustice” against the female gaming community on the lack of in-game romances and the skanky leather dress available for femsheps. Now don’t get me wrong, I agree with you on several points. I mean you’re completely right about ME3 being a blatant fan service to their male consumers. But despite all that, femshep still kicks ass and she does it with grace and a heck of an attitude.

Romance doesn’t impact the overall story much anyway, but I would be lying if I say it doesn’t make the gaming experience more enjoyable. But do we really want to turn this incredible story (sans godawful ending) into a simulated dating game? I hope not. It just perpetuates the idea that that's what all girl gamers want; which may be true for some, but not for all.

Also, on another note, I find it disconcerting how women are so quick to judge and ****/skank/****/harlot/slattern-shame when it comes clothing or a person’s sexuality (or more specifically: a woman’s sexuality). Skanky as hell... some hooker looking for the next ride. I mean, really? This really doesn't help our case.

Modifié par NanNoir, 23 mars 2012 - 03:42 .

[ElnVld]

flamingplatypus wrote...
In ME3, Bioware basically told me that the only thing that my Shepard (and by extension, myself) is good for is sleeping with other women for the sake of male fanservice.

 I shall play maleShep, only for romance with Cortez!

[flamingplatypus]

NanNoir wrote...

Also, on another note, I find it disconcerting how women are so quick to judge and ****/skank/****/harlot/slattern-shame when it comes clothing or a person’s sexuality (or more specifically: a woman’s sexuality). Skanky as hell... some hooker looking for the next ride. I mean, really? This really doesn't help our case.

^THIS! SO MUCH!!
Demonizing female sexuality is only going to hurt our cause.

And honestly, female prostitution is examined in an extremely fair and realistic way in the ME universe. The Consorts on the Citadel are considered to be wise and are heavily involved with galactic politics, similar to the Hetaera of the Hellenistic Greeks. On the flip side, in Revelation, Bioware reveals that sex slavery and human trafficking are still a major problem in the parts of the galaxy outside Citadel-control (Specifically, the comic mentions that after Sovreign's attack, many young Asari were kidnapped and taken to the Terminus Systems for this purpose.)

[Megabored]

I'm a dude who has always played as femshep since Me1 since I wanted a change from the macho man stereotype of games and stayed the course. There were many moments in the series where femshep was boxed in as to what she could be *cough* forever alone in Me3 in my case unless I wanted the fail new gals but I digress. Plus, femshep could totally kick my ass and was one of the several reasons I choose her from the start.

I always had femshep wear the Alliance blues since her arms are sort of unrealistic considering she is hauling around gear and shooting reaper forces all the time. All the other clothing didn't seem formal enough.

Sure, LIs were nonexistent but overall Jennifer Hale's voice acting made the experience pretty good overall given the inherent limitations society puts on Bioware in what archetypes a woman videogame character can be... I know its limited in the series but I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy a different perspective.