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[Headcount]

Honestly, they might have problems getting anyone interested for a ME4 over the ME3 ending mess. If I heard correctly, the panel at PAX had trouble getting their audience excited for DA3 because of the disappointment over DA2 and ME3 made it worse. I think these games needs a rest and for BW to develope something new but that won't happen. EA will run both DA and ME into the ground for every last $.

[tMc Tallgeese]

The continuation of the Mass Effect universe is likely going to be centuries or millennia after the events of Shepard's arc. This will allow for the notion that the various species have possibly found a new means to travel and/or bring back the civilization that was nearly destroyed by the Reapers. Think of it as KOTOR just after the main story and not before. In some ways it can be supported by the two stargazers at the end where the grandfather speaks of the legend of Shepard.

[Goaliebot]

EA will run both DA and ME into the ground for every last $.

Not if they micro-trasactionicize the player experience across brands in key target markets!

[Ichihan]

You know I actually like the ending, from the first game the mission was "Destroy the Reapers" and in the obvious event the ending of shepard story seems highly so that it would end with dun dun dun duuuuunnnn Shepard destroying the reapers, and as many great conqereurs of the past and those cliche and badass movies have said "Nothing comes without sacrifice" and "Everything comes with a price" so I'm really not shocked that he dies, and if a ME4 came out I would buy it, i mean the extended DLC explained more of the ending, and patched up the plotholes, some, but hey the games ending is an Art, and many artists who's paintings cost a fortune now couldnt make a cent in their time, so i say Well Done Bioware, just Don't Screw Up Dragon Age now.

[Cainhurst Crow]

It won't be a continuation of shepards story, that much they have said firmly.

New story, new protagonist, new crew, same universe setting.

[Mike 9987]

http://gatherer.wiza...=3621&type=card

[Ichihan]

True, and I would also add, even before the extended dlc, its kinda obvious they can rebuild the mass relays and tech, they still have their scientists and schematics not to mention they have their brains! And dead reapers are still thre, retrieve tech from that, and some corrupted coded, edited it, boom give it to the quarians and they can recreate geth, but the code from.reapers seems unlikely though...

Modifié par Ichihan, 09 mai 2013 - 09:12 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Nooo! I broke my own rue. Dammit.

[Omega Torsk]

Rheinlandman wrote...

I think they are going to finish 3 in a LoTSB/Awakening kind of DLC where you are fighting aboard the Citadel (this is where the Citadel Defence Force assets come into play), to wherever you needed to go.

Bioware devs have referred to a final boss fight multiple times in the pre-release interviews. I imagine we still have it coming.

Not even gonna go there with my hopes. I refuse.

[Ichihan]

Hey I have something to add. It's not the destination, But the journey that's Really important. I mean hey think about it The journey was F****** Awesome!
-Spoiler Alert-
The Journey was pretty badass I mean fighting In the First one Geth, Being the First Human Spectre, getting Wrex, Garrus, Liara and Tali killing Kaiden (whenever i play Mass effect i always say Ashley... Don't know why) fighting saren and Sovereign a frigging Reaper and killing it!
The Second one you die and get brought back to life, That is pretty badass, Fighting Collectors, The Shadow Broker, getting Grunt (not as Awesome as wrex but awesome), Legion, destroying the First Reaper and cerberus.
Mass Effect 3, Reapers attacking, What's more exciting than that? Leviathan of Dis, Curing the Genophage, getting a prothean Companion, fighting reaper forces, destroying cerberus, and my favorite of all, freeing Rannoch from either the Quarians, Geth or Reapers, or receiving peace from geth and Quarians working together, Kalros mother of All Thresher Maws Killing a Friggin Reaper!
-Spoiler end-
Seriously Stop B*tching about how the frigging game ends, I honestly believe no matter how the game ended as long as shepard dies you all would B*tch about it. It's the end of the Shepard Story, Dieing for a good cause, and Refusal, He refuses to do anything well that's sorta stupid but the original 3, Were brilliant, so stop b*tching and start appreciating, Bioware gave us one of the best Trilogy Experiences, The ending was decided since the begining, The End of The Reaper Cycle. What Shepard isn't Superman, if he could destroy all Reapers and still live that's unrealistic. Destroying an entire army of reapers without a single repercussion or death of character is stupid and plain unrealistic, gosh you people are like little children.

[Karlone123]

Ichihan wrote...

Hey I have something to add. It's not the destination, But the journey that's Really important. I mean hey think about it The journey was F****** Awesome!
-Spoiler Alert-
The Journey was pretty badass I mean fighting In the First one Geth, Being the First Human Spectre, getting Wrex, Garrus, Liara and Tali killing Kaiden (whenever i play Mass effect i always say Ashley... Don't know why) fighting saren and Sovereign a frigging Reaper and killing it!
The Second one you die and get brought back to life, That is pretty badass, Fighting Collectors, The Shadow Broker, getting Grunt (not as Awesome as wrex but awesome), Legion, destroying the First Reaper and cerberus.
Mass Effect 3, Reapers attacking, What's more exciting than that? Leviathan of Dis, Curing the Genophage, getting a prothean Companion, fighting reaper forces, destroying cerberus, and my favorite of all, freeing Rannoch from either the Quarians, Geth or Reapers, or receiving peace from geth and Quarians working together, Kalros mother of All Thresher Maws Killing a Friggin Reaper!
-Spoiler end-
Seriously Stop B*tching about how the frigging game ends, I honestly believe no matter how the game ended as long as shepard dies you all would B*tch about it. It's the end of the Shepard Story, Dieing for a good cause, and Refusal, He refuses to do anything well that's sorta stupid but the original 3, Were brilliant, so stop b*tching and start appreciating, Bioware gave us one of the best Trilogy Experiences, The ending was decided since the begining, The End of The Reaper Cycle. What Shepard isn't Superman, if he could destroy all Reapers and still live that's unrealistic. Destroying an entire army of reapers without a single repercussion or death of character is stupid and plain unrealistic, gosh you people are like little children.

You do not get it, these people were not after a perfect ending where everybody lives and run off to Teletubby Land. Of course there was going death and despair  ME3 was very sloppy. You cannot tell people to appreciate something they do not like. Plus what you wrote is your opinion, not the Word of God or anything like that. It's up to each and everyone else if they thought ME3 was brilliant or not. The ending was completely lackluster and lacked content in providing a fitting end to a five year long journey, because it pretty much ended in a cliff-hanger. It's a little apparent you need to do a little growing up yourself.

[Lady Abstract]

I want another game a sequel maybe 5000 years or so after shepards story.. but this is old news... I wont deem this series truly dead until after this next Mass Effect is done and i see how it is. If it turns out a good game im still a committed fan if not im done

[liggy002]

Judging by the way things ended in ME3... I would have been perfectly OK with Mass Effect ending after the first game.

[KingZayd]

liggy002 wrote...

Judging by the way things ended in ME3... I would have been perfectly OK with Mass Effect ending after the first game.

Reapers should have taken a long time to reach us from dark space.

That way, Citadel Relay is more important, more attention can be given to other interesting things in the galaxy and we have signifantly better tech than in ME1 to fight the Reapers with when they do come.

[Ichihan]

Karlone123 wrote...

Ichihan wrote...

Hey I have something to add. It's not the destination, But the journey that's Really important. I mean hey think about it The journey was F****** Awesome!
-Spoiler Alert-
The Journey was pretty badass I mean fighting In the First one Geth, Being the First Human Spectre, getting Wrex, Garrus, Liara and Tali killing Kaiden (whenever i play Mass effect i always say Ashley... Don't know why) fighting saren and Sovereign a frigging Reaper and killing it!
The Second one you die and get brought back to life, That is pretty badass, Fighting Collectors, The Shadow Broker, getting Grunt (not as Awesome as wrex but awesome), Legion, destroying the First Reaper and cerberus.
Mass Effect 3, Reapers attacking, What's more exciting than that? Leviathan of Dis, Curing the Genophage, getting a prothean Companion, fighting reaper forces, destroying cerberus, and my favorite of all, freeing Rannoch from either the Quarians, Geth or Reapers, or receiving peace from geth and Quarians working together, Kalros mother of All Thresher Maws Killing a Friggin Reaper!
-Spoiler end-
Seriously Stop B*tching about how the frigging game ends, I honestly believe no matter how the game ended as long as shepard dies you all would B*tch about it. It's the end of the Shepard Story, Dieing for a good cause, and Refusal, He refuses to do anything well that's sorta stupid but the original 3, Were brilliant, so stop b*tching and start appreciating, Bioware gave us one of the best Trilogy Experiences, The ending was decided since the begining, The End of The Reaper Cycle. What Shepard isn't Superman, if he could destroy all Reapers and still live that's unrealistic. Destroying an entire army of reapers without a single repercussion or death of character is stupid and plain unrealistic, gosh you people are like little children.

You do not get it, these people were not after a perfect ending where everybody lives and run off to Teletubby Land. Of course there was going death and despair  ME3 was very sloppy. You cannot tell people to appreciate something they do not like. Plus what you wrote is your opinion, not the Word of God or anything like that. It's up to each and everyone else if they thought ME3 was brilliant or not. The ending was completely lackluster and lacked content in providing a fitting end to a five year long journey, because it pretty much ended in a cliff-hanger. It's a little apparent you need to do a little growing up yourself.

That may be my Opinion and you are quite right, I haven't considered other people's opinons, but that shouldn't make the game bad and now that i think about it, we're kinda off topic... My fault, but anyway how does that change the fact that the game is a you're own story thing? The did the ending as it is so that you can decide for yourself what happens, It's all up to you, It's all up to the gamer to decide to build how it ends, isn't that what the point of the game is? Also the ending is like an art, You might like it but after a few decades is might be considered one of the best, many great Arts of today that are being sold for millions couldnt be sold for a few cents when the artist painted it, Hitler's art is being sold for 15 thousand dollars to hundred thousand dollars, It's considered beautiful today but he couldn't even make a living off it in his time, no one found it beautiful. I would say in my opinion It's great i guess it has something to do with my brother being an artist so my brain perceives it differently. Eitherway after checking the frosbite engine apparently the "NEw Mass Effect" will be using it, so it looks like the chances of a new Mass Effect is still there. But hey I would still buy the game.

[Indy_S]

Ichihan wrote...

Hey I have something to add. It's not the destination, But the journey that's Really important. I mean hey think about it The journey was F****** Awesome!
-Spoiler Alert-
The Journey was pretty badass I mean fighting In the First one Geth, Being the First Human Spectre, getting Wrex, Garrus, Liara and Tali killing Kaiden (whenever i play Mass effect i always say Ashley... Don't know why) fighting saren and Sovereign a frigging Reaper and killing it!
The Second one you die and get brought back to life, That is pretty badass, Fighting Collectors, The Shadow Broker, getting Grunt (not as Awesome as wrex but awesome), Legion, destroying the First Reaper and cerberus.
Mass Effect 3, Reapers attacking, What's more exciting than that? Leviathan of Dis, Curing the Genophage, getting a prothean Companion, fighting reaper forces, destroying cerberus, and my favorite of all, freeing Rannoch from either the Quarians, Geth or Reapers, or receiving peace from geth and Quarians working together, Kalros mother of All Thresher Maws Killing a Friggin Reaper!
-Spoiler end-
Seriously Stop B*tching about how the frigging game ends, I honestly believe no matter how the game ended as long as shepard dies you all would B*tch about it. It's the end of the Shepard Story, Dieing for a good cause, and Refusal, He refuses to do anything well that's sorta stupid but the original 3, Were brilliant, so stop b*tching and start appreciating, Bioware gave us one of the best Trilogy Experiences, The ending was decided since the begining, The End of The Reaper Cycle. What Shepard isn't Superman, if he could destroy all Reapers and still live that's unrealistic. Destroying an entire army of reapers without a single repercussion or death of character is stupid and plain unrealistic, gosh you people are like little children.

I thought the journey was rather falling apart towards the end. I didn't find Shepard's resurrection in two 'pretty badass', I thought it was contrived. I thought the rise of power behind Cerberus unrealistic. I didn't think Shepard's death was a problem with the ending.

The quote in my signature demonstrates that it is entirely possible for something to be overshadowed by a small part of it. The journey is important but never underestimate the ability of a pebble to derail a train.

[NeonFlux117]

EA is gonna milk this baby dry.

[Zazzerka]

[Redbelle]

Ichihan wrote...

Hey I have something to add. It's not the destination, But the journey that's Really important. I mean hey think about it The journey was F****** Awesome!
-Spoiler Alert-
The Journey was pretty badass I mean fighting In the First one Geth, Being the First Human Spectre, getting Wrex, Garrus, Liara and Tali killing Kaiden (whenever i play Mass effect i always say Ashley... Don't know why) fighting saren and Sovereign a frigging Reaper and killing it!
The Second one you die and get brought back to life, That is pretty badass, Fighting Collectors, The Shadow Broker, getting Grunt (not as Awesome as wrex but awesome), Legion, destroying the First Reaper and cerberus.
Mass Effect 3, Reapers attacking, What's more exciting than that? Leviathan of Dis, Curing the Genophage, getting a prothean Companion, fighting reaper forces, destroying cerberus, and my favorite of all, freeing Rannoch from either the Quarians, Geth or Reapers, or receiving peace from geth and Quarians working together, Kalros mother of All Thresher Maws Killing a Friggin Reaper!
-Spoiler end-
Seriously Stop B*tching about how the frigging game ends, I honestly believe no matter how the game ended as long as shepard dies you all would B*tch about it. It's the end of the Shepard Story, Dieing for a good cause, and Refusal, He refuses to do anything well that's sorta stupid but the original 3, Were brilliant, so stop b*tching and start appreciating, Bioware gave us one of the best Trilogy Experiences, The ending was decided since the begining, The End of The Reaper Cycle. What Shepard isn't Superman, if he could destroy all Reapers and still live that's unrealistic. Destroying an entire army of reapers without a single repercussion or death of character is stupid and plain unrealistic, gosh you people are like little children.

To say it's the journey and not the destination...... is, in this case, the same as saying I preferred everything except the ending.

Funny thing about journeys. You generally undergo them in order to get somewhere you want to be. Now, you can undergo  journeys where the destination is better than the journey and vice versa, but surely...........

..........in a world of game's and development and story telling and monster's and hero's, it is not beyond expectation to think that the developer would develop an ending that hit the same high notes as ME 1 and 2.

The above poster sounds, not like a child, but a avid consumer who does not stop to consider what is put on his plate. That's fine. I'm sure BW and EA appreciate his trade equally as much as everyone else's.

But his ranting at those who pause to look at what is on their plate, who look beyond the instant gratification of shoveling what is there into their mouth's, and instead find pleasure in appreciating how it was put together and where things went right and wrong, is just as valid an outlook as the above posters.

While he may look at the ending and see something great, he has not, and probably never will, rationalise how the endings point to the Reaper Catalyst assuming direct control of the progression of the story, thereby destroying the illusion of choice that Shepard is decision maker by having the Catalyst lay out the decisions for him, instead of Shepard coming to his own conclusion's.

Likewise he will probably reject any discourse on how the endings, while solving the Reaper problem, do so with genocide of a machine race and Edi, Seize control of the Reaper hive mind in a way that every game has screamed 'is not possible' (unless starbrat say's so, because..... Catalyst), and finally violates the human right of being in control of your own body.

And these are just a small sampling of issues the endings throw up, yet rather than rationalise them, people like him above keep telling us to stop whining?

If you want the discussion to end............no. It will not end because you have a deep seated animosity to those who can look beyond what you are meant to see and see further implication's from those event's.

Also, take a moment to recognise that these issues stem from a multitude of sources, from those who see problems with the narrative development, to those who see issues with the morality of the choices you have to make.

There is no one issue with the ending. There are many stemming from a variety of point's of view, from those who value tight, well written story lines, to those who balk at 'having' to undertake an immoral action their Shepard would never do.

Modifié par Redbelle, 18 mai 2013 - 10:01 .