Acknowledged. Now about those endings...
Please Acknowledge the 99% of ME3 They Got Right!
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#77
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:09
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This is how I feel as well. If I had the game crash and never knew what happened after Anderson died next to me I would say this is the best game and game series ever made.KingNothing125 wrote...
ME3 was shaping up to be my favorite game ever, until Shep rode the magic space elevator.
#78
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:09
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Acknowledged.
It was amazing. After I finished, I started a different import just to see what changed -- and some of the differences are a lot of fun! I even reloaded some of the missions in my first playthrough, and ran through them with different squaddies, just to hear different dialogue.
But I find myself reluctant to get immersed in the story, because there's always a voice in the back of my head going, "this is going to end badly, save yourself the heartache". I couldn't even get involved in a replay of ME1, because it all seemed so pointless. It's a sad situation, because there is a lot of ME3 that I still haven't seen: I want to know what happens with Garrus as my LI instead of Kaidan; I want to finally play a male Shepard; I want to play different classes; I want to play an import with Ashley as the VS; I want to know how the story plays out after I kill the Council in the first game; I want to try siding with the salarians over the krogan, and the quarians over the geth. I really want to replay London, and try different dialogue options with the crew at the end . . . but I don't want to touch the ending.
Yes, 99% of the game is incredible -- but it's so hard to get past that 1%.
Also, most of the reviews in the official thread acknowledge that most of the game was A++ extra double good, until the last few minutes. We know it was good, that's why the flaws in the ending stand out in such stark relief.
It was amazing. After I finished, I started a different import just to see what changed -- and some of the differences are a lot of fun! I even reloaded some of the missions in my first playthrough, and ran through them with different squaddies, just to hear different dialogue.
But I find myself reluctant to get immersed in the story, because there's always a voice in the back of my head going, "this is going to end badly, save yourself the heartache". I couldn't even get involved in a replay of ME1, because it all seemed so pointless. It's a sad situation, because there is a lot of ME3 that I still haven't seen: I want to know what happens with Garrus as my LI instead of Kaidan; I want to finally play a male Shepard; I want to play different classes; I want to play an import with Ashley as the VS; I want to know how the story plays out after I kill the Council in the first game; I want to try siding with the salarians over the krogan, and the quarians over the geth. I really want to replay London, and try different dialogue options with the crew at the end . . . but I don't want to touch the ending.
Yes, 99% of the game is incredible -- but it's so hard to get past that 1%.
Also, most of the reviews in the official thread acknowledge that most of the game was A++ extra double good, until the last few minutes. We know it was good, that's why the flaws in the ending stand out in such stark relief.
#79
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:10
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I really enjoyed the game, sans the obvious part.
I do feel that some characters really weren't as developed as they could have been, i.e. Ashley and Vega. Having some more dialogue with some of the characters would have been really nice. Liara, Vega, and Ash have a lot less comparative to the other members of the crew. Heck, Cortez is more developed than Vega is. And Liara and Ash are only as well developed because they've already been in two games. I feel that a bit more development on the part of these three would have been a lot more satisfying and having more chances at choosing dialogue would have been nice. I felt like with the dialogue I was watching a movie rather than making choices most of the time.
I do feel that some characters really weren't as developed as they could have been, i.e. Ashley and Vega. Having some more dialogue with some of the characters would have been really nice. Liara, Vega, and Ash have a lot less comparative to the other members of the crew. Heck, Cortez is more developed than Vega is. And Liara and Ash are only as well developed because they've already been in two games. I feel that a bit more development on the part of these three would have been a lot more satisfying and having more chances at choosing dialogue would have been nice. I felt like with the dialogue I was watching a movie rather than making choices most of the time.
#80
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:11
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yes, 99% of the game was amazing.... the only problem is that after the last 1% I cannot ever play or enjoy the series again.....
#81
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:11
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Cant give them 99%. In addition to the ending most of the side missions were very poor.
#82
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:12
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Yalision wrote...
Everything before the last 5 minutes was within the highest echelon of gaming goodness. Then the endings...
This.
Sure, there are some flaws - but it was an amazing game for me. I just should have never finished it.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:13
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I would disagree that 99% was right. Feels more like 70-75%. There are issues I have with the game. I'm not here to argue but there some things I didn't like.
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#84
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:13
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The fact that the first 99% of the game was pretty much a masterpiece is PRECISELY why people are so upset. If the entire game had been that quality, there would have been people posting about it, but there wouldn't be this kind of anger. It's as if Beethoven had ended his 9th Symphony with a kazoo solo.
#85
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:14
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Why are people so obsessed about how the war ends and who survives? I agree with the poster who says that the game itself is the ending. The war is merely a backdrop for the entire trilogy but what we are truly invested in are the characters and subplots. The war makes for a great 'uniting the species' story but even then, what is truly important is the journey, not the destination.
In my opinion, there IS closure in terms of the many sub-plots and characters:
-Origin of the Geth.
-Geth/Quarian war: How it started and ended.
-Legion assimilates into Geth.
-EDI and Joker.
-Krogans are cured thanks to Mordin's sacrifice and will gradually return to their former culture under the subtle leadership of Eve.
-What Protheans are really like (not that benign).
-Thane's life ends in glory, not sickness.
-Miranda and her father.
-Anderson dies
-Jack/Ashley/James/Grunt: Their new roles as instructor/Spectre/N7/team leader will continue in the same way if they survive the war.
-Tali will stick with Shepard.
-Zaeed will always be a merc.
-The Prothean truth behind the Asari
-Garrus will retire with Shepard
- Jacob will get married
The only lack of closure is seeing who survives and who do not but it is really that necessary since we all know what they are going to do if they do survive?
In my opinion, there IS closure in terms of the many sub-plots and characters:
-Origin of the Geth.
-Geth/Quarian war: How it started and ended.
-Legion assimilates into Geth.
-EDI and Joker.
-Krogans are cured thanks to Mordin's sacrifice and will gradually return to their former culture under the subtle leadership of Eve.
-What Protheans are really like (not that benign).
-Thane's life ends in glory, not sickness.
-Miranda and her father.
-Anderson dies
-Jack/Ashley/James/Grunt: Their new roles as instructor/Spectre/N7/team leader will continue in the same way if they survive the war.
-Tali will stick with Shepard.
-Zaeed will always be a merc.
-The Prothean truth behind the Asari
-Garrus will retire with Shepard
- Jacob will get married
The only lack of closure is seeing who survives and who do not but it is really that necessary since we all know what they are going to do if they do survive?
#86
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:15
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I have said it before and I will say it again. The vast majority of the game and the series as a whole was one of the finest gaming experiences I believe I will ever have, but that ending sucked the magic right out of it for me. I never stopped acknowledging the 99%, but it's hard to do when the 1% makes it all seem pointless. I'm sorry, but those are just my thoughts.
#87
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:16
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Same as everyone else is saying. This game was PERFECT. Absolutely, undeniably perfect in every single way. That's why the ending hurts so much. We put the time and effort into getting everything right. We helped Cortez grieve. We helped EDI understand what it means to have free will (and hook up with Joker). We (hopefully) cured the genophage and ended the Quarian/Geth war peacefully. We smashed Cerberus into the ground (the catwalk section with the remains of the Human Reaper with Suicide Mission playing was some of the most fun I had).
And for what? So some cosmic space child gives us three options and we can't do what Shepard would always have done and just punched him in the face? The mood whiplash combined with the futility of the game has killed my desire to re-enter this universe, and I really, really want to because everything else is so good. But the question remains, "for what?"
And for what? So some cosmic space child gives us three options and we can't do what Shepard would always have done and just punched him in the face? The mood whiplash combined with the futility of the game has killed my desire to re-enter this universe, and I really, really want to because everything else is so good. But the question remains, "for what?"
#88
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:16
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SamFlagg wrote...
If you and I were best friends, and we hung out for 30 years. And then you chose to shoot my wife in the face, I'm not going to think "Well up until this point it was a pretty good friendship"
To the contrary, the fact that you had such a nice friendship for 30 years probably makes it a whole lot worse.
#89
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:18
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BioWare should be incredibly proud of what they accomplished with this trilogy. With each game, and with the epic combined experience of taking your Shepards through all three. But if they don't provide a fix, or at least an apology, for what they did with the ending, well... then they should be ashamed.
#90
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:19
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They screwed themselves over by making a game franchise that was so damned loveable that if they screwed up the ending (as they have) they would get one hell of a **** storm.
#91
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:20
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Of course the game was good. If it was crap all over it would've just met the fate of the walmart bargain bin. People are fighting for it because they love this series so much. And they don't want to feel like the last five years of their life was wasted on this.
#92
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:21
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The game is decent but I cannot call 99% of it right even if I ignore the crappy ending that basically invalidates the entire RPG asepct of the entire series, you know making decisions that have long term consequences.
1)Quest log = awful. It doesn't update for different stages of the quests, its buggy and often doesn't even lead you in the right direction for the quest you are on.
2)Conversation system = again, for a series based on making decisions, the fact that you cannot make nuanced decisions is annoying. I had 6 characters that I could import into this game, and at least 3 of them would fail in terms of character concept because of the lack of interesting decision making
3) companion UI actually worse than either of the previous titles.
4) movement animations worse than ME2
5) numerous minor glitches.
6) Terrible side-quests: don't fit the narrative and are poorly implemented.
Without the story the game is good, but not great. Add in the story and it really is amazing when you just think of it in terms of how everything comes together. But then that amazing story is hobbled by an ending that undoes almost the entire narrative in 5 minutes. So once you lose that amazing story, you just aren't left with much. That is why so many people can't even go back and replay the good parts.
1)Quest log = awful. It doesn't update for different stages of the quests, its buggy and often doesn't even lead you in the right direction for the quest you are on.
2)Conversation system = again, for a series based on making decisions, the fact that you cannot make nuanced decisions is annoying. I had 6 characters that I could import into this game, and at least 3 of them would fail in terms of character concept because of the lack of interesting decision making
3) companion UI actually worse than either of the previous titles.
4) movement animations worse than ME2
5) numerous minor glitches.
6) Terrible side-quests: don't fit the narrative and are poorly implemented.
Without the story the game is good, but not great. Add in the story and it really is amazing when you just think of it in terms of how everything comes together. But then that amazing story is hobbled by an ending that undoes almost the entire narrative in 5 minutes. So once you lose that amazing story, you just aren't left with much. That is why so many people can't even go back and replay the good parts.
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#93
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:21
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I agree. They ruined what I think many here easily felt was the best franchise in gaming history. THAT is what made most of us so upset. It was so well done that many of us became deeply invested in the characters and story. It's still a fairly easy fix. I just hope they care enough to fix it. I could be wrong, but I think there would be a strong possitive reaction if they put any effort into a fix.
#95
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:23
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Game is nearly perfect 
There are some minor (but very minor) issues like weird walk, but those don't really matter. The story, the music, the graphics, the interactions, the cutscenes ARE EPIC, FANTASTIC AND AMAZING!
I love it! I love how you listened to the fans and we can see it in a game! That is really cool You gave me many moments when I cried and laughed and thought about my crew as a real freinds 
That is something extraordinary I love Mass Effect Universe and those game helped me survive some really bad times in my life I would just isolate myself and go play with Garrus, Wrex, Tali, Kasumi and the rest of that bunch 
But unfortunately there is this 0.1% which destroyed whole game and even series for me. Eh. Game is fantastic and I have 30 FemSheps (everyone is different) from ME1 and ME2, but after that ending I really don't want to play it again. This is sad that I spent more or less 1500 hours on ME1 and ME2 and I am not going to play ME3. That ending was too much for me. Or too little you could say. Sorry, BioWare but that's how I feel right now. I know that this is not fair, you gave as three amazing games, a lot of emotions, incredible story that became a part of us, beautiful written characters... I know that this isn't fair, but the ending was essential and you took away from us all the choices we had made in ME1 and ME2. You gave us an incredible trilogy with a lot od choices and possibilities, where are sacrifies, price for what you do and yet in such a crucial moment you took that away and create the ending that feels like it is taken away from some other sci-fi world that we don't really know about. Please, give us a DLC with other endings <3
There are some minor (but very minor) issues like weird walk, but those don't really matter. The story, the music, the graphics, the interactions, the cutscenes ARE EPIC, FANTASTIC AND AMAZING! I love it! I love how you listened to the fans and we can see it in a game! That is really cool You gave me many moments when I cried and laughed and thought about my crew as a real freinds That is something extraordinary I love Mass Effect Universe and those game helped me survive some really bad times in my life I would just isolate myself and go play with Garrus, Wrex, Tali, Kasumi and the rest of that bunch But unfortunately there is this 0.1% which destroyed whole game and even series for me. Eh. Game is fantastic and I have 30 FemSheps (everyone is different) from ME1 and ME2, but after that ending I really don't want to play it again. This is sad that I spent more or less 1500 hours on ME1 and ME2 and I am not going to play ME3. That ending was too much for me. Or too little you could say. Sorry, BioWare but that's how I feel right now. I know that this is not fair, you gave as three amazing games, a lot of emotions, incredible story that became a part of us, beautiful written characters... I know that this isn't fair, but the ending was essential and you took away from us all the choices we had made in ME1 and ME2. You gave us an incredible trilogy with a lot od choices and possibilities, where are sacrifies, price for what you do and yet in such a crucial moment you took that away and create the ending that feels like it is taken away from some other sci-fi world that we don't really know about. Please, give us a DLC with other endings <3
#96
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:23
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I agree the game was great. It was fun, creative, breathtaking, deserves all the rating it got from the critics. i think the ending just makes it hard for people. (INCOMING SPOILER ALERT!) I think the thing is that most us anticipated and hoped for what I'll call a "sunshine ending" where we save the galaxy, preserve all technology and live happily ever after with our LI. And losing some of our ME2 squad mates and perhaps doing all those planet scanning missions to boost the EMS kinda made that belief stronger. I don't think the endings are poorly written or anything like that. It was just not what we wanted/anticipated/hoped for (I could be wrong).
Other than that my only quarks were character bonding little weaker than previous titles, and not as many priority missions as i would hope.
Other than that my only quarks were character bonding little weaker than previous titles, and not as many priority missions as i would hope.
#97
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:24
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I have acknowledged this in my every post.
The first 39 hours and 50 minutes of Me3 were the greatest ever. No game I've ever played surpasses them.
The last 10 were the worst.
Bioware you made a tremendous game. But you let it slip away.
The first 39 hours and 50 minutes of Me3 were the greatest ever. No game I've ever played surpasses them.
The last 10 were the worst.
Bioware you made a tremendous game. But you let it slip away.
#98
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:25
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Absolutely 100% acknowledged! I'm not harboring ill-will toward Bioware employees or REFUSING TO BUY ANYTHING THEY EVER MAKE EVER AGAIN!! But (as melodramatic as this may sound, but I don't care) the ending tore my heart out. And clearly I'm not alone. Devastating your fan base is (shocker) NOT a good idea. I simply want this to be known by Bioware, and I'm begging for a satisfactory ending. That's all.
#99
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:25
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*sigh* I guess I'm the only one in the galaxy that enjoyed the ending?
#100
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:26
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ME3 is easily the best of the trilogy, easily in my top 3 rpgs of all time... until the ending. Still, I would have given it a perfect score had I not been so completely dissatisfied with the ending.
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