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Iefho wrote...

Have a little trust in BW, for god's sake! And stop down spiralling this game into such bad reviews. Do you want to just erase that franchise from history?

This is going way too far. 95% of the game is a downright masterpiece!


Ummm .. No.

I admit hat 95% of the game was a masterpiece.  With glitch fixes, tweaks, etc. they could get the game to 98% masterpiece.   The last 2% though was so bad that I was in shock and literally wondered if what I was watching was real.

Summary:  That 2% was so unbelievably bad that I think the game only deserves one or two stars at best.

FYI:  I believe the ending does taint the ENTIRE series so if the series is forgotten by history then it's not my fault but the dev's fault for not creating something of lasting value.   YMMV.

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You think they would've at least say something right? maybe they don't care?

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Bravery1282 wrote...
Okay, not blown out the sky, blown off the planet.

They rest you are just grasping at straws. Back stories have only ever been relevant to flesh out main characters, which was done.  So, what kind of narrative are you looking for, if not for every person you helped.  As far as the crew stranded on a planet "where", to me thats no important.  The important thing is some made okay, and have the chance to star life fresh, and get to rediscover.  And, none of the crew where fools, so im certain they'd make it.  Gilligan did.


This is your opinion and you are welcome to it.  If you are satisfied with the ending then I am happy for you.  I am not.

"Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending.
BioWare will not do a 'Lost' and leave fans with more questions than
answers after finishing the game," Gamble promised.

I feel like they did pull a "Lost" on us.  The endings don't make sense and don't wrap up things to my satisfaction.  There are more questions than answers.   I still can't wrap my head around the synergy-space-magic crap.  Where the heck did that nonsense come from?

Modifié par dkear1, 13 mars 2012 - 04:45 .


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There is absolutely nothing wrong with customers complaining about something they paid for. People seem to forget that the consumers are the ones with the real power. We've all been so bullied and cow towed by corporatism for so many years now it's no wonder there is a lot of attitude about people complaining over something they have a right to complain about. Stop being brainwashed sheep and speak up when something you have paid for with your own money is not up to the standard you think it should be. And for God's sake..if you are dissatisfied, stop buying said companies products. The best way to make any statement in a case such as this is to talk with your wallet..which is what I will be doing with future Bioware / EA products. It's my right to do so and anyone who thinks otherwise is just a sheeple.

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This is what happens when you get people emotionally involved. When you risk getting an emotional reaction, and then people do get emotional, well... you burned yourself because you were playing with fire, genius.

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BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I thought the Catalyst was a VI talking **** and that whole Matrix theory.  You know, organics created the machines to destroy other organics, and eventually the machines....  But, you are right, they didn't do the best job explaining the end.  Still, I actually liked the ending experience.


Far as the story presented it, the Catalyst was an AI. And claims to be controlling the Reapers, which are composed of independent identities far as we're aware (each a nation). If he's the one responsible for all this happening, if this is his answer to the cycle, then it should be more than just "synthetics will always oppose organics", especially when a good amount of Mass Effect 3 was spent going against his judgments. 

And just to be clear, I'm not saying you can't like the ending. Just pointing out why many of us consider it a copout.  


And, I understand why people don't like it, ans i'm glad that i've been able to converse with youself and the others I have tonight.  If all were like you guys, there would be more discussion and less name calling.  I was called a troll, lol.

 I've said before and i'll say it again, there are things they could've done to flesh out that ending.  The scene with the Catalyst was too short, I feel.  But, for me, that doesn't change an entire opinion of a company that i've been following since Jade Empire.  And, I did like the ending.  Was it a great as it could've been, no.  Was it the end all, some have made it out to be, no.  Thats all i'm saying.    

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dkear1 wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...
Okay, not blown out the sky, blown off the planet.

They rest you are just grasping at straws. Back stories have only ever been relevant to flesh out main characters, which was done.  So, what kind of narrative are you looking for, if not for every person you helped.  As far as the crew stranded on a planet "where", to me thats no important.  The important thing is some made okay, and have the chance to star life fresh, and get to rediscover.  And, none of the crew where fools, so im certain they'd make it.  Gilligan did.


This is your opinion and you are welcome to it.  If you are satisfied with the ending then I am happy for you.  I am not.

"Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending.
BioWare will not do a 'Lost' and leave fans with more questions than
answers after finishing the game," Gamble promised.

I feel like they did pull a "Lost" on us.  The endings don't make sense and don't wrap up things to my satisfaction.  There are more questions than answers.   I still can't wrap my head around the synergy-space-magic crap.  Where the heck did that nonsense come from?


I never watched lost, so I don't know.  But, at least, they didn't pull a Dead Zone .  And, I agree about the space magic, even in this universe it did come from nowhere.  Should've given a hint of that earlier in the series.  But, he is right, it is an ending.  Just one that some are happy with and some are not.

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so I can assume you are part of that 2%?
No, we won't erase the franchise but instead show just how many people care about the games and their story, and how good of a job BioWare has done to generate this much emotion(myself included)
Your a fool if you think we are trying to sink the series.
We are all trying to save our favorite franchise/universe.

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Bravery1282 wrote...

.  But, he is right, it is an ending.  Just one that very few are happy with and a large majority are not.



fix'd

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Bravery1282 wrote...

And, I understand why people don't like it, ans i'm glad that i've been able to converse with youself and the others I have tonight.  If all were like you guys, there would be more discussion and less name calling.  I was called a troll, lol.

 I've said before and i'll say it again, there are things they could've done to flesh out that ending.  The scene with the Catalyst was too short, I feel.  But, for me, that doesn't change an entire opinion of a company that i've been following since Jade Empire.  And, I did like the ending.  Was it a great as it could've been, no.  Was it the end all, some have made it out to be, no.  Thats all i'm saying.    


I can definitely appreciate that perspective, having been a Bioware fan since KotOR and JE. And I realize how intense some of us can be about this kinda stuff. So I apologize for any idiots you yourself have had to deal with.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 13 mars 2012 - 04:57 .


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Legendaryred wrote...

You think they would've at least say something right? maybe they don't care?


I doubt it's that they don't care, it's more that they need to:

1: Figure out what to say without throwing gasoline on the fire(Even though there's a majority, there's stillt he minority that could get alienated by a press release)
2: They then need to have any statements "approved" byboth the execs, and PR department. 
3: If there statement involves anything with changing the game, they need to at least start thinking about how to do this, rather than promise more things to fans that they can't deliver.

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acidproof2 wrote...

A bad experience deserves a bad review. If you go to a nice restaurant and find a nail and a hair in your food do you give them a pass because 95% of it was good?



precisely:)

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DarkBladeX98 wrote...

so I can assume you are part of that 2%?
No, we won't erase the franchise but instead show just how many people care about the games and their story, and how good of a job BioWare has done to generate this much emotion(myself included)
Your a fool if you think we are trying to sink the series.
We are all trying to save our favorite franchise/universe.


No, I don't vote on forum polls.  I'm very active in my community with things that actually affect my area.  Forum polls don't matter, I learned that 10 years ago with Shenmue.  Wow, a fool? maybe. But, you must be a bigger fool because there are people trying to sink the franchise and the company as a whole.  The bs reviews, the threats to some of biowares staff, the people condoning piracy and buying used games to keep money way from bioware.  These are not few and far between either.  The people telling folks that the game is garbage and they shouldn't buy it.  It is going on.  

Modifié par Bravery1282, 13 mars 2012 - 05:08 .


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Seriously though it seems like the people defending Bioware/EA and the endings of Mass Effect 3 are the ones getting insanely riled up, with the company apparently supporting this behavior but remaining silent to everyone else. Really speaks to you don't it?

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BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

And, I understand why people don't like it, ans i'm glad that i've been able to converse with youself and the others I have tonight.  If all were like you guys, there would be more discussion and less name calling.  I was called a troll, lol.

 I've said before and i'll say it again, there are things they could've done to flesh out that ending.  The scene with the Catalyst was too short, I feel.  But, for me, that doesn't change an entire opinion of a company that i've been following since Jade Empire.  And, I did like the ending.  Was it a great as it could've been, no.  Was it the end all, some have made it out to be, no.  Thats all i'm saying.    


I can definitely appreciate that perspective, having been a Bioware fan since KotOR and JE. And I realize how intense some of us can be about this kinda stuff. So I apologize for any idiots you yourself have had to deal with.


lol, apologies not needed.  But, thank you sir.

And, goodnight to all.

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If you don't voice your opinion, nothing will change.

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Getting the first 95% right isnt good enough.

Its like watching a gymnast do an incredible leap followed by many twists and turns executed perfectly just to fall flat on his or her face at the end. The end sticks out the most

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Alamar2078 wrote...

Iefho wrote...

Have a little trust in BW, for god's sake! And stop down spiralling this game into such bad reviews. Do you want to just erase that franchise from history?

This is going way too far. 95% of the game is a downright masterpiece!


Ummm .. No.

I admit hat 95% of the game was a masterpiece.  With glitch fixes, tweaks, etc. they could get the game to 98% masterpiece.   The last 2% though was so bad that I was in shock and literally wondered if what I was watching was real.

Summary:  That 2% was so unbelievably bad that I think the game only deserves one or two stars at best.

FYI:  I believe the ending does taint the ENTIRE series so if the series is forgotten by history then it's not my fault but the dev's fault for not creating something of lasting value.   YMMV.



This.  My initial reaction to the ending was one of daze and absolute confusion.  The Shepard I saw talking to the god child was not one I recognized, he just laid down and accepted things instead of fighting on defiantly, scoffing at these three false choices.  But no, this was an ending ripped blatantly from Deus Ex.  Everything that followed certainly didn't help things.  The Stargazer scene was confusing, out of place, and down right infuriating.  The entire experience left me feeling confused, depressed, and hollow, contrary to the apparent intended message of hope.  And then the salt in the wound: "Shepard is a legend buy DLC."  Seriously?  This was as though someone knocked on my door and said with a grin "Hey bro heard your dog just died, wanna buy some dog food, collars, bones, or squeaky toys?" 

The experience of the first two games was amazing.  The experience of 95% of this game was amazing.  The Ending destroyed those experiences and left me never wanting to play mass effect again.  I'd say any game that destroys the replay value and experience of itself and its predecessors so completely just in 5 minutes can legitimately be given a very bad review and an equally low rating.

Modifié par Umbrellamage, 13 mars 2012 - 05:48 .


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I have a strange imprecision that most of the people just don;t get the ending. The ending is no like we all would like ( no happy they all lived happy ever after ) but one we should expect after playing the 3th game. From the moment I started playing ME3 i knew it will be not like ME1/2. People where dying on every step, no good decisions, the last days etc. More over it left me with lots of things to think about - damm I hardly slept after it. Then I started googling/loading saves, discovering other endings, reading post that speculated about the meanings of endings and I was even more impressed.

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Azradiel wrote...

I have a strange imprecision that most of the people just don;t get the ending. The ending is no like we all would like ( no happy they all lived happy ever after ) but one we should expect after playing the 3th game. From the moment I started playing ME3 i knew it will be not like ME1/2. People where dying on every step, no good decisions, the last days etc. More over it left me with lots of things to think about - damm I hardly slept after it. Then I started googling/loading saves, discovering other endings, reading post that speculated about the meanings of endings and I was even more impressed.


I agree with the point that the ending really couldn't have been any happier than bittersweet. I've said it before; it's the end of the world as we know it, so an ending with ponies and rainbows was hardly on my mind. Plus, with all the sadness over the sacrifices made (like Thane's, like Mordin's, like Legion's), it was hardly building up to rainbows.

And the ideas explored in the ending isn't that bad. Here and there, the games previous do mention this idea of synthetics and organics, the uplifters and the uplifted, and the rebellion of the created against the creator. In fact, come to think of it, the majority of the storylines have their foundations within this dichotomy. Namely,

1) Krogan vs everyone
2) Geth vs Quarians
3) Shepard vs Cerberus
EDIT: 4) A few of the characters in ME2, namely Jack and Miranda

all explore in some way that idea.

But if indeed this was the theme that the writers wanted explored and considered, then somewhere, somehow along the way, the focus should have been switched to this concept. In my mind, the perfect moment to have done this would have been talking withthe Reaper on Rannoch. Say something like "The cycles of created destroying the creator must be controlled", and then have the rest of the crew discuss it later on the Normandy or something.

Instead, the majority of the players had their focus squarely on fighting and defeating the Reapers. Because a game is interactive, and you're fighting the Reapers the whole time, this focus is further reinforced. It meant that when they wanted to conclude the series on this synthetic/organic conflict idea (as they seemed to have), nobody could bring their heads around it, because it wasn't really in their heads in the first place. 

But again, I don't know what BioWare has planned after this. Judging by the reaction, I hope it's going to do enough to appease the population. =)

Modifié par macroberts, 13 mars 2012 - 07:51 .


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You know what would really blow my mind?
BioWare releasing an alternate ending. And NOT for a ridiculous amount of money. That would make me feel less milked.

I want to replay the games, but it's just not the same with this ending. I can't have Shep romance someone or gather these assetts without thinking it's all for nothing, because the ending is not happy in the least. There is no closure with Shepard's survival or his/her love interesting, and the relays all get blown up so no more traveling. It's just maddening.

Modifié par jamiekas, 13 mars 2012 - 09:18 .


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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Aedan276 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

Too far? They depressed me to a point where i cant play video games anymore... so no, it just started



Geez stop being so dramatic. 


Why don't you stop provoking people? 

Bottom line is we were told we would get something we didn't receive -- an ending where the fate of characters and civilizations depended on previous decisions, in the way of Mass Effect 2. 

Nothing wrong with reacting against false advertising. 




In case you didn't pay attention the fates of the geth, quarians, and krogan civilizations were decided by the player.  Oh and Earth as well.  Not saying that the endings weren't less than satisfactory but condemning the whole game over them is just downright idiotic. 


No even if you saved the Geth if you destroyed the reapers you killed them.  Krogan, stuck on earth.  Quarians likely able to make it home in a few thousand years but the people left on that rock will not remember them.  No, your choices didn't really do much at all.