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[dkear1]

crymzenassassin wrote...
oh i understand how others feel..i just think calling the entire series pretty much dead wieght is a little too far but thats just my opinion.

as for closure..YET is the opperative word here..no closure YET..there is plenty of time for DLC to close things off

The problem I have with this is I paid for the game already.  I should NOT have to pay extra for closure on a game I ALREADY purchased.  That is utterly rediculous!!!!!!!!!!

Modifié par dkear1, 13 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[Senario]

hippanda wrote...

I wouldn't say 95%+ was a masterpiece. I'm still trying to figure out who got paid money to reduce the functionality of the quest journal.

That annoyed the crap out of me, that and the "fetch this" quests =.=. I mean really? Not only do I have to go fetch something on a planet somewhere in the galaxy, quests that require me to "rescue some ppl" don't actually let me get onto a planet???

Remember the "Save the Elcor from their home planet" Quest? Go there, pick them up, get out. No Landing. No unique map similar to Haestrom, because of the high gravity, more weight penalty. Oh and definitely no fighting reapers.

Ending, sidequests, and laziness makes me rate this game somewhere around a 7-8 on a scale of ten. If just these  things had been fixed or made acceptable, easy 9.5-10/10 But no, most fans are left with "I don't even want to see any more of the actual game of ME, much less a DLC for MULTIPLAYER"

Modifié par Senario, 13 mars 2012 - 02:39 .

[crymzenassassin]

dkear1 wrote...


For you pehaps it is.  That is the same line that bioware used (do you work for them?).

The destination has ruined and soured my journey.  I was all set to play 1-3 with multiple characters after completing 3.  With that hopeless crappy ending...no.  Perhaps I will return to play 1 and 2 in a few months, but 3 won't see the light of day until they fix the ending.

do i work for them? i fckn wish lol

i am not a developer myself..but i work for a software company (IOS,Android etc..) and have spent enough time with developers to understand things from thier points of view. if you think of things in terms of sequels and how alot of people wished a certian feature was in a game and didn't see any reason why it shouldn't be in the game.

Devs reserve certian things for sequels..now we know for a 100% fact that there will be no sequel carrying on sheps story BUT that does not mean they had not planed to wrap things up in any less of a fashion..maybe they know that the series deserve this epic ending but reserve the complete wrap up for massive DLC release

[xeNNN]

crymzenassassin wrote...

xeNNN wrote...


To be fair to them they have made a great and amazing series... but you cannot publish a book or a movie OR a game with a terrible ending...... like you watch a movie triolgy or a book triology you get into the characters and the storyline then you get to the end of the book or movie  and it brings no closure to anything you felt throughout the movie and/or book and you just end up feeling empty like you read it or watched it for nothing. 

i dont pressume to judge them and say they destroyed the entire series however, i cant actually defend them at this point considering the last 5 minutes left me a in a state of disbelief for 3 days now. "its so hard to make a house of cards but its so easy to knock it over", ive played since the beggining on my xbox obviously i didnt even know this forum existed till recently, and so ive brought the series twice with the execption of Mass effect 3  because i wanted to play the series on my pc as i was transfering everything over and because i didnt want to pirate it because i love the games i brought them(including rebuying all the DLC's and extra content). 

then i end up playing mass effect 3 spending 50 pounds on a preorder enjoy the game immensly up until the last 10 minutes where everything just becomes stupid and then it gets even worse and so it ends with me thinking ... so i just played all the mass effect games for nothing?  when you get attached to something it makes you react when it feels like its taken away, so to go as far as to say they destroyed and entire series by ending it horribly with no closure to the fanbase isnt really that far to be honest.

oh i understand how others feel..i just think calling the entire series pretty much dead wieght is a little too far but thats just my opinion.

as for closure..YET is the opperative word here..no closure YET..there is plenty of time for DLC to close things off

yeah but thats the thing IF they do a DLC i MAY buy it depending on how it plays out and how good it is and if it actually makes everything seem more in place instead out of place and add's a choice to the end. The main thing that aggrivates me is there is no fourth option to just let the battle play out and argue to the "starchild" that his logic is flawed and convince him otherwise, fyi decisions, convincing people there logic is flawed and getting yourself in and out of situations verbally is what this game is built off, it also annoyed me that the whole ending feels forced. 

so unless the DLC if there is going to be one at all changes all that or improves on it or "adds" to the current content then i wont be satisfied and my opinion will remain the same. 

[macroberts]

crymzenassassin wrote...

xeNNN wrote...

you know what? im actually getting annoyed with people calling us this that and the other (though i expected all this as did and do most of us)

we have been civil, we have been creative and we've constantly been discussing this issue and trying to make a difference without going over the top with our arguments emotions or sentiments about something we've spent quite a long time building up and enjoying only to be ripped away by something that never should of been added or put in should never have even been comprehended as a good ending to a story that deserved 100x better than it was given.

the people who write these articles claiming we are "spoilt brats" and that we are "immature" and "childish" are people that are dont actually even play the series or people who have just sped through them and dont understand the drama(ironically everything they call us they end up being themselves in the way they right their articles).

the fact that you say we could kill the series by doing this, we're defending the series we love and we have the right as a community to stand up for what we loved and enjoyed, this game deserves far better than its given in terms of the ending.
the series in itself is amazing, but then you add that ending onto it and it seems like you've just wasted 5 years on nothing.

you are right...people do have a right to stand for what you loved and enjoyed but think about it this way..when people say stuff like "oh BW you have DESTROYED THE ENTIRE MASS EFFECT SERIES WITH 2% OF A GAME!" it puts a major downer on the devs...they worked damn hard to bring us one of the greatest trilogies in gaming history and if i was them and i was reading people saying that i destroyed the entire series.

i would say screw you guys and good luck trying to find another studio that can make the kinds of games we can

I agree with the sentiments stated above, but then again, the perception a lot of people in the wider public thinks that "gamers" as a bracket, includes exclusively 12-25yr olds who have no jobs, computer/screen addicted, and generally a scourge to society's productivity. I'm kinda disappointed that people like IGN's Colin Moriarty and Kotaku, people who should really know better, are buying into this perception. 

I'd also like to add my voice to the support for the devs. They've put in tremendous work into making Mass Effect 3. It is actually a fantastic game, the action sequences are stunning, and the story was immensely emotive and held up well in a large part. They've done good. 

To be honest, while I personally don't like the endings much at all, I don't think that BioWare needs to change them out of some obligation to us. It's their product, we bought into it, and it disappointed. It happens to a lot of other products too.
Bottom line is, I'm fine with making your displeasure at the ending heard, and I'm fine with hearing better suggestions and interpretations for the ending (keep'em coming), but I don't feel the need to demand a better ending. I'll just live with whatever I've got (and perhaps whatever's to come). 

[Arduous Wolf]

Iefho wrote...

Do you want to just erase that franchise from history?

No, just the ending!

[Hiyanu]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Oh shut up, it's not like people are dying over this.

We don't know because they can no longer say anything... 

[Iron Ranger]

Over 600 pages on the other thread. And from what I could see the answer(s) are simple.

They ran out of time and gave us the best they could.
2007 - Mass Effect... development how long?
2010 - Mass Effect 2.... a weaker game but very good
2011 (gold) - Mass Effect 3... how much do you expect in one year?

They changed Lead Writers... there is going to be a huge effect.

EA took over... money was not unlimited... they want bang for the buck.... they ran out of money.

[mickeymacattack]

First off lets make this clear, no one here is arguing that the series as a whole is good, everyone had good times playing each of the games otherwise they wouldn't be throwing such a fuss over this.

Bioware is a company, regardless of what kind of company it is its overall goal is to produce a product for consumers in order to make money. For those of you who say people have no right to criticize Bioware for their product, well you obviously don't understand how capitalism works. If you buy a product and it doesn't work, or has problems you are going to be upset and ask them to fix it.

For example, if ME1 had not received the support it had from the customers (that's you and me), it doesn't matter how talented or awesome the developers are, the series would have died right there. The fans kept this series going as much as Bioware did, period.

While I certainly don't support how some people are handling themselves (twitter bombing, etc) this is the internet, people are going to be disrespectful, rude and hateful regardless. But people are angry, sad, disappointed, whatever.

You also have to remember that the DEVs are almost certainly under legal obligations about what they can and cannot say. Its not like they are intentionally hiding things, the amount of red tape they are wrapping up in is probably astounding.

Keep the forums going with your concerns, lay off the personal attacks on twitter and give them time. I am just as upset as the next person but remember these are people too and I am sure there are a good number of them that may not be happy with the endings either. But that's what happens when you work on a team, you have to do things sometimes even if you don't agree with them.

I for one still support Bioware, but then again I always try to take anything people say with a grain of salt.

[dkear1]

crymzenassassin wrote...
do i work for them? i fckn wish lol

i am not a developer myself..but i work for a software company (IOS,Android etc..) and have spent enough time with developers to understand things from thier points of view. if you think of things in terms of sequels and how alot of people wished a certian feature was in a game and didn't see any reason why it shouldn't be in the game.

Devs reserve certian things for sequels..now we know for a 100% fact that there will be no sequel carrying on sheps story BUT that does not mean they had not planed to wrap things up in any less of a fashion..maybe they know that the series deserve this epic ending but reserve the complete wrap up for massive DLC release

I am fine with the DLC model they used for ME2.  However, I paid for a complete game with an ending that made sense.  I didn't get it.  What they may or may not intend is unknown and therefore irrelevent.  We can only judge things as they currently stand and right now I think they suck.

Polish up your resume as bioware may have some openings

[Destrega]

no one can erase the franchise from history because bioware did exactly that with the endings already OP

[xeNNN]

@macroberts

so i dont make a massive post by quoting other big posts that have already been quoted ill reply here lol.

I agree with 99% of what you said and that's fine for some people to just deal with it, that's there choice, but to be honest when you end up making money from people who love your products then almost back hand them with a finish to the product that just doesn't really do it justice its going to cause quite a backlash, its a miracle at all that a gaming company gets any fans willing to pay for there products with piracy being all over the internet, so i think they should take more notice and care about what we think considering we pay for a majority of there salary, personally alls they have to do is add a few things to the ending including a fourth choice and id be happy. even if shep died in the fourth one to one where the fleet plays out and destroys the reapers, Shepard dies but the relays and the citadel stay intact or something and the reapers are overwhelmed and destroyed or something OR the crucible doesn't blow up the relays or the citadel and just send a beam to each one spreading the the star system destroying all the reapers.

[ChaosMarky]

complaining in the forums is fine.. attacking in twitter, youtube, swtor (yeah, that too) & amazon is a bit too extreme!!

[dkear1]

ChaosMarky wrote...

complaining in the forums is fine.. attacking in twitter is a bit too extreme!!

Fixed that for you

[Bombe]

Morladin wrote...

Iefho wrote...

Have a little trust in BW, for god's sake! And stop down spiralling this game into such bad reviews. Do you want to just erase that franchise from history?

This is going way too far. 95% of the game is a downright masterpiece!

DA2....

Not everyone hated DA2. ome of us really enjoyed it, flaws and all. Much like ME3.

[xeNNN]

Iron Ranger wrote...

Over 600 pages on the other thread. And from what I could see the answer(s) are simple.

They ran out of time and gave us the best they could.
2007 - Mass Effect... development how long?
2010 - Mass Effect 2.... a weaker game but very good
2011 (gold) - Mass Effect 3... how much do you expect in one year?

They changed Lead Writers... there is going to be a huge effect.

EA took over... money was not unlimited... they want bang for the buck.... they ran out of money.

to be honest "ran out of money" doesnt really cut it....
"EA took over" however, has a familiar tone to it *cough* C&C 4 *cough*

Modifié par xeNNN, 13 mars 2012 - 02:58 .

[LinksOcarina]

ChaosMarky wrote...

complaining in the forums is fine.. attacking in twitter, youtube, swtor (yeah, that too) & amazon is a bit too extreme!!

This. So much.

It is what makes us all look foolish in the end. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 13 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[xeNNN]

LinksOcarina wrote...

ChaosMarky wrote...

complaining in the forums is fine.. attacking in twitter, youtube, swtor (yeah, that too) & amazon is a bit too extreme!!

This. So much.

It is what makes us all look foolish in the end. 

indeed i agree, the twitter attacks etc are stupid and harsh, id understand if bioware had made a statement or something with an obvious indication that they just didnt care that a LARGE ammount of people are unhappy with there end portion of there product but considering they havent even said anything yet it is quite annoying to see people helping others portray us as "childish", "immature" or "Spoilt Brats"  not intentionally mindue  however still not helping lol

[dakka dakka]

Meh, we voiced our opinion. Bioware confirmed it is making a statement on the endings before the end of the month. I personally am now going to wait and see what they have to say in their defense before calling on the strike squads.

all this flailing about trying to force a response isn't getting us anywhere. The more you try and get information out of a developer the less likely you will get it. So I suggest we all calm down, drink some tea, and wait before further table flipping......ball is in their court.

Hope y'all agree.

[Wikkr]

surely the fact that 95% of the game was so jaw droppingly good validates our dismay that the final moments of the game threw everything else out of the window for some tacked on swiss cheese deus ex rippoff ending. The game was PERFECT right until shep is elevated off to speak to the star child... perfect... the story flowed, characters developed, everything evolved then right at the end its oh heres 3 choices. these are the same 3 choices regardless of what youve done in the past. your gonna die no matter what and your crew is screwed.....

Given the pure gold theyve given us right up until that moment across 3 games to have it all smashed away with the overflowing toilet that was the 3 'different' endings (different colored explosions do not make them 3 unique endings)

Personally was hopeing for different endings depending on your choices from the whole saga. Do bad reapers win and everyone dies, 50k years later someone digs up liaras box and glyph spreads the word. Do ok and you win but take mega losses includeing half your crew. Do fantastic and get the disney ending reapers get wtfkerpwned and everyone has cake. something along those lines.

The effort put into the game was astounding till that point... the last 10 mins feels to me like it was hastilly tagged on by someone who had nothing to do with the rest of the game

[dkear1]

xeNNN wrote...
to be honest "ran out of money" doesnt really cut it....
"EA took over" however, has a familiar tone to it *cough* C&C 4 *cough*

Oh.......I wish you hadn't mentioned that game.  It was a soul crushing as this was to me.  I was SUCH a C&C fanboy until that game came out.

[Bravery1282]

Caz Neerg wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

Too far? They depressed me to a point where i cant play video games anymore... so no, it just started

Geez stop being so dramatic. 

Don't be a jerk.  A statement of fact isn't "being dramatic," and he is far from the only one that feels that way right now.  Is it permanent?  Almost certainly not, but BioWare has done a lot of damage to the unshakable trust that they had built with fans over more than a decade of excellence.  If they don't at least acknowledge that they made a mistake, it's going to be very hard to ever repair that trust, and that will harm their future sales.

People are being overly dramatic.  I've seen the words depression, devistated, madness and others.  I wonder how some of these folks get by in life.  

[dkear1]

dakka dakka wrote...

Meh, we voiced our opinion. Bioware confirmed it is making a statement on the endings before the end of the month. I personally am now going to wait and see what they have to say in their defense before calling on the strike squads.

all this flailing about trying to force a response isn't getting us anywhere. The more you try and get information out of a developer the less likely you will get it. So I suggest we all calm down, drink some tea, and wait before further table flipping......ball is in their court.

Hope y'all agree.

This smacks of turtling up and hoping the fire burns itself out.  The time to put out a fire is right at the start not waiting for two weeks.  Staying calm but keeping the pressure up I think is a bit more wise.

[macroberts]

@ xeNNN

I'll take my cue from you ;-)

My issues with the ending has always been about the execution of the ideas in it, and the lack of relevance between the ending and what we did in the previous 100 hours. I've gone into further details about this in other threads, so I won't repeat myself here. I loved that alternate ending someone made on another thread. It's quite good, doesn't change much, has the final cutscene where we see our war assets at work, gives that fourth "screw you" choice, and fits with what we've done for three games. It's really the ending that should have been.

That's not to say I'd actually want BioWare to change the ending. We have a right to be disappointed, and I am bloody disappointed, but it sets a dangerous precedent for a community to be able to change the ending of a game, however disappointing it is. Personally, I'm of the opinion that a maker of a video game is entitled to as wide an artistic license as a director of a movie. It is their responsibility to get it right the first time. And at the end of the day, if they screw it up, all that we as consumers should do is judge them accordingly, through reasoned criticism and appropriately placed rage. =)

I'd just like to add that, given BioWare's track record of producing immensely good story driven games, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they had something up their sleeves. But then, if they did, and they saw this reaction on the forums, I guess you can ask why wouldn't they release details already. Or even, why make the mistake of making a poorly executed ending? Just my two cents =)

[Silanda]

macroberts wrote...

To be honest, while I personally don't like the endings much at all, I don't think that BioWare needs to change them out of some obligation to us. It's their product, we bought into it, and it disappointed. It happens to a lot of other products too.

Personally I think they need to change it for reasons other than simply an obligation to us. If they leave the endings as they are, it leaves the franchise in an awkward position without many options for the future. If they continue with it they would either have to produce prequels or somehow try to resolve the in-universe problems (no mass relays, starving populations, etc) in a way that works within the universe's lore. Since the endings themselves didn't seem to jibe with said lore, that could be tricky. There is also the possibility that they could just try to hand wave the implications of the endings, but I doubt anyone wants to see that.

Modifié par Silanda, 13 mars 2012 - 03:14 .