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[TransientNomad]

Iefho wrote...

Have a little trust in BW, for god's sake! And stop down spiralling this game into such bad reviews. Do you want to just erase that franchise from history?

This is going way too far. 95% of the game is a downright masterpiece!

Imagine if you will, at the end of the Godfather, it turns out the Mafia was being controlled by aliens sent to corrupt humanity.  That would ruin the entire movie.  Same thing applies here.

[macroberts]

Silanda wrote...

macroberts wrote...

To be honest, while I personally don't like the endings much at all, I don't think that BioWare needs to change them out of some obligation to us. It's their product, we bought into it, and it disappointed. It happens to a lot of other products too.

Personally I think they need to change it for reasons other than simply an obligation to us. If they leave the endings as they are, it leaves the franchise in an awkward position without many options for the future. If they continue with it they would either have to produce prequels or somehow try to resolve the in-universe problems (no mass relays, starving populations, etc) in a way that works within the universe's lore. There is also the possibility that they could just try to hand wave the implications of the endings, but I doubt anyone wants to see that.

I too can see problems if they wanted to continue the franchise. As of the current ending, it is basically nigh impossible. Except for maybe a MMO where you are the survivors of the Reaper Battle over Earth, and now without a mass relay your task is to , er, live.

Holy poo, I just invented The Sims: Mass Effect. 

[Sorrin_Rykkor]

Avl521 wrote...

No one denies 99% of the game is a masterpiece.
In fact I'd give it a 10 out of 10 if those atrocious endings didn't exist.
But you have to take them into account, and they are so horrifyingly bad, that my score drops from 10/10 to 4/10 and the entire franchise is ruined and unplayable for me.

Because I'll know that everything I do in ME1, 2 and 3 will end up with that... Joke of an ending.

I agree. While playing through ME3, I was considering getting the DLCs I missed out on from ME2. But now, that's all in the past because apparently not going to change anything in the ending.

[llllshadowllll]

Next franchise to be ruined: DA.Thankfully I'm not a fan of DA

[GreyhameBioware]

Personally the ideas that I happen to like the msot are the ones that keep the current endings in tact for those who like them, but add another option to not take whatever you are fed at the end as incontrovertible fact and at least try to convince the Reapers to leave.

If the entire thing was in Shepard's head, that just kind of makes me feel cheated but in a different way, but it would certainly make me feel better.

Sorrin_Rykkor wrote...

Avl521 wrote...

No one denies 99% of the game is a masterpiece.
In fact I'd give it a 10 out of 10 if those atrocious endings didn't exist.
But you have to take them into account, and they are so horrifyingly bad, that my score drops from 10/10 to 4/10 and the entire franchise is ruined and unplayable for me.

Because I'll know that everything I do in ME1, 2 and 3 will end up with that... Joke of an ending.

I agree. While playing through ME3, I was considering getting the DLCs I missed out on from ME2. But now, that's all in the past because apparently not going to change anything in the ending.

 

Kind of in the same boat.  I was consiering going back and getting The Arrival DLc which I never did get around to getting and replaying ME1, ME2 and ME3.  Then I hit the end, and the desire to invest myself in the ME universe kidn of died.  Now I will say it's coming back slowly (this is partially me deciding that I'm going to ignore the current endings and make my own), but it's not going to have the same investment it did due to how it ends.

Modifié par GreyhameBioware, 13 mars 2012 - 03:20 .

[DrowNoble]

Iefho wrote...

Have a little trust in BW, for god's sake! And stop down spiralling this game into such bad reviews. Do you want to just erase that franchise from history?

This is going way too far. 95% of the game is a downright masterpiece!

I agree and then the final 5% ruined the previous 95%, that's is what has people so upset.  With the way the ending is now, YES I do want to erase this franchise from history actually.  If Bioware wants to regain our trust they will man up and post an apology and then say "we're gonna work on a DLC endgame fix asap".

This upset me so much I cancelled my SWTOR subscription too.

[nevar00]

95% of the game was a masterpiece. Nearly 100% of ME 1 and 2 were masterpieces as well.

...And that makes it all the more incredible that the endings nearly ruined the entire series for me. I have almost no desire to playthrough ME 3 with any of my other 5 Sheps knowing that not only none of my decisions mattered, but that they were all made obsolete as well.

I could not think of a worse ending than a dues ex machina Crucible firing a Reaper-killing pulse out of nowhere. Boy was I wrong.

[DrowNoble]

llllshadowllll wrote...

Next franchise to be ruined: DA.Thankfully I'm not a fan of DA

Well DA2 ruined it for me.  I swear I wanted to strangle Anders when he tac-nuked the Chantry.

[ticklefist]

@OP

I wasn't aware BioWare needed any help.

[Ryvack]

Most people here are going too far...it's making me feel ashamed to even log into BSN now.

[Jake71887]

Ryvack wrote...

Most people here are going too far...it's making me feel ashamed to even log into BSN now.

No, "most" people are simply expressing their displeasure in the form of polls, threads, etc. "Some" are bombing reviews, sending angry tweets, etc. 

This is the same as me saying "Most of you are calling us homophobic whiners", which isn't the case. The only thing you should be ashamed of, is stereotyping the majority, over the actions of a few. 

[Bravery1282]

Caz Neerg wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
In case you didn't pay attention the fates of the geth, quarians, and krogan civilizations were decided by the player.  Oh and Earth as well.  Not saying that the endings weren't less than satisfactory but condemning the whole game over them is just downright idiotic. 

Did you not pay any attention to the ending?  The fate of most of the quarians, if they lived in your play through, is never see their home again, because they were at Earth helping fight the reapers, and the Mass Relays are gone.  So the Rannoch mission was pointless.  The only way for Shepard to survive is to wipe out the Geth.  Earth has been pretty heavily decimated, there aren't likely to be a lot of food stores, so even if human food was digestable by every single stranded species in Sol system, there still wouldn't be nearly enough for all the people who need to be fed.  Wrex will never meet his child.  The list goes on.  It's entirely rational to think the ending ruined the series, because no matter which ending variant you pick, almost every single positive thing you accomplished, if not all of them, is destroyed.

I guess it all depends on how you see it.  I didn't see the Rannoch mission, or any other missions, as pointless, it wasn't like all the Quarians came to Earth.  The ones who did come had to figure they wouldn't be making it back anyway.  If the suicide mission from 2 was a suicide mission, this had to be the suicide mission of all suicide missions.

And, that goes for any other species that came to fight.  They didn't bring there families along for the ride, probably said there goodbyes, just as Shepard did.  So, back on those other worlds, there are some who will get to see tomorrow, some who will not.  Some who will not like what they see in that tomorrow, but at least, because of Shepards sacrifice, they have a tomorrow.  

People have been comparing this game to other entertainment medians.  There have been countless movies that don't wrap everything in a bow, that doesn't make it less great.  Watch the 25th Hour with Edward Norton, read the Count of Monte Cristo, there were endings, but no true resolutions.  A Portrait of the Artist ends with the the main character leaving, you are left wondering to where and how will he end up.

But, this is the hard thing with a trilogy, there is no pleasing everybody.  There will be a 4th Mass Effect, though not Shepards story; certainly some light will be shed on how the characters ended up.

[dkear1]

Bravery1282 wrote...
But, this is the hard thing with a trilogy, there is no pleasing everybody.  There will be a 4th Mass Effect, though not Shepards story; certainly some light will be shed on how the characters ended up.

The problem is the game developers promised us a complete wrap up.  Not in DLC form, Not in the next game, in THIS game.  They lied and are paying the price.

[loboME2]

815Sox wrote...

So I would assume the Phantom Meance completely destroyed the Star Wars saga for many of you?

no.. you'd need to have watch from prequel to Return of the Jedi, with the ending that the Force materializing as a child, and giving Luke the choice to save the galaxy from the Empire... with the consequence that he must die, and all hyperspace travel will be gone. Perhaps throw in also, that all Force users, Sith or Jedi all die too.

[Ryvack]

Jake71887 wrote...

Ryvack wrote...

Most people here are going too far...it's making me feel ashamed to even log into BSN now.

No, "most" people are simply expressing their displeasure in the form of polls, threads, etc. "Some" are bombing reviews, sending angry tweets, etc. 

This is the same as me saying "Most of you are calling us homophobic whiners", which isn't the case. The only thing you should be ashamed of, is stereotyping the majority, over the actions of a few. 

ok...I really had a hard time reading this and looking at your portrait at the same time...  those teeth...they're freaking me out man!

[loboME2]

Bravery1282 wrote...

People have been comparing this game to other entertainment medians.  There have been countless movies that don't wrap everything in a bow, that doesn't make it less great.  Watch the 25th Hour with Edward Norton, read the Count of Monte Cristo, there were endings, but no true resolutions.  A Portrait of the Artist ends with the the main character leaving, you are left wondering to where and how will he end up.

ya... and those were LINEAR stories, whereas ME3 was supposed to be interactive with an ending we have a part in... except in the end, it still turn out to be linear.

That's the difference.

[Bravery1282]

dkear1 wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...
But, this is the hard thing with a trilogy, there is no pleasing everybody.  There will be a 4th Mass Effect, though not Shepards story; certainly some light will be shed on how the characters ended up.

The problem is the game developers promised us a complete wrap up.  Not in DLC form, Not in the next game, in THIS game.  They lied and are paying the price.

You got what you were promised, the end of Shepards story.  Unless i'm missing something, please point it out to me, I don't mind being proved wrong.  I feel I got what I paid for, and am unaware of any false promises made.

[kalamity116]

No one is arguing against the fact that this game kicks ass. The prevailing argument is that the ending ruins not just the whole game, but the entire series and leaves a sour taste in everyone's mouth.

[Bravery1282]

loboME2 wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

People have been comparing this game to other entertainment medians.  There have been countless movies that don't wrap everything in a bow, that doesn't make it less great.  Watch the 25th Hour with Edward Norton, read the Count of Monte Cristo, there were endings, but no true resolutions.  A Portrait of the Artist ends with the the main character leaving, you are left wondering to where and how will he end up.

ya... and those were LINEAR stories, whereas ME3 was supposed to be interactive with an ending we have a part in... except in the end, it still turn out to be linear.

That's the difference.

25th Hour is not linear, i'll give you Portrait and replace it with Finnegans Wake.  Also, you got interactive with an ending you played a part in, you just didn't like the ending. But im certain, until the end, you enjoyed your part just fine. 

Modifié par Bravery1282, 13 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[GreyhameBioware]

Bravery1282 wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...
But, this is the hard thing with a trilogy, there is no pleasing everybody.  There will be a 4th Mass Effect, though not Shepards story; certainly some light will be shed on how the characters ended up.

The problem is the game developers promised us a complete wrap up.  Not in DLC form, Not in the next game, in THIS game.  They lied and are paying the price.

You got what you were promised, the end of Shepards story.  Unless i'm missing something, please point it out to me, I don't mind being proved wrong.  I feel I got what I paid for, and am unaware of any false promises made.

So you know what happened to all your crew?  Who died, who lived, what are they up to?  Did you save Earth, or doom it?  Did you deliver the galaxy to the Reapers, or did you save it?  What happened to the fleets you brought to Earth to fight the Reapers now that the main mode of interstellar travel has been destroyed?

Yes there's a geneal who "life goes on" feelign to the end, but there's no closure to Shepard's story really.  Even anime with the multitude of similar open endings at least gives you an idea of what the hell happened to the world and everyone else.

Modifié par GreyhameBioware, 13 mars 2012 - 03:48 .

[Brother Smith 93]

DrowNoble wrote...

llllshadowllll wrote...

Next franchise to be ruined: DA.Thankfully I'm not a fan of DA

Well DA2 ruined it for me.  I swear I wanted to strangle Anders when he tac-nuked the Chantry.

In almost every one of my playthroughs, Anders met an immediate end.... the look on my face was priceless during my first playthrough. The only thought in my head was , "WHY?????"

[UrdnotGrunty2]

If that 5% were in the middle I wouldn't care, but when the 5% is then ending to the franchise, yes im going to have a problem with it

[Bravery1282]

GreyhameBioware wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...
But, this is the hard thing with a trilogy, there is no pleasing everybody.  There will be a 4th Mass Effect, though not Shepards story; certainly some light will be shed on how the characters ended up.

The problem is the game developers promised us a complete wrap up.  Not in DLC form, Not in the next game, in THIS game.  They lied and are paying the price.

You got what you were promised, the end of Shepards story.  Unless i'm missing something, please point it out to me, I don't mind being proved wrong.  I feel I got what I paid for, and am unaware of any false promises made.

So you know what happened to all your crew?  Who died, who lived, what are they up to?  Did you save Earth, or doom it?  Did you deliver the galaxy to the Reapers, or did you save it?  What happened to the fleets you brought to Earth to fight the Reapers now that the main mode of interstellar travel has been destroyed?

Yes there's a geneal who "life goes on" feelign to the end, but there's no closure to Shepard's story really.  Even anime with the multitude of similar open endings at least gives you an idea of what the hell happened to the world and everyone else.

Yes, in those Anime, when you get closure on the world it is generally the end.  Mass Effect 3 is not the end of this universe.  

Also, in my playthrough, I saved Earth by destroying the Reapers.  Intersteller travel has been destroyed, byt there are planets they can get through.  The whole series has been about bringing races together, im certain it'll work, until there is a way figured to get them home; if not this generation, then the next.  Although, it'll be hard for them with no women:D.  

Edit:
It's going to be a hard few years for those women that are here.

Modifié par Bravery1282, 13 mars 2012 - 04:00 .

[Brother Smith 93]

I'll agree that the game was awesome, absolutely amazing! But it was within those last few moments that my heart was crushed. My Shepard was left to die as the Citadel exploded around him. My beloved Gunnery Chief/Specter was left abandoned on some far away planet with Joker and Javik. Wrex and Tali were forever stranded in the Sol system, light years away from their home planets. And to top it off, at the end, I see Shepard (aka the Terminator) start breathing again after being blown to pieces (those Cerberus upgrades are really something!)... What kind of ending is that???

[dkear1]

Bravery1282 wrote...

You got what you were promised, the end of Shepards story.  Unless i'm missing something, please point it out to me, I don't mind being proved wrong.  I feel I got what I paid for, and am unaware of any false promises made.

Sorry, this is just not true.

"Walters: Obviously, Mass Effect 3 will reveal all; that's the point of Mass Effect 3, we tie up a lot of those loose ends." 

Taken from: http://www.newsarama...iew-110726.html

There are tons of these type of quotes out there from Hudson as well.  There are threads with lists of unanswered questions.  Not just the glaringly obvious ones like the fate of your crew.

Modifié par dkear1, 13 mars 2012 - 04:00 .