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[Sergeant Dre]

I see whining about the ending in the replies.

This thread should of never of been created.

And you are getting depressed over a game? I love Mass Effect, but I won't cry over it.

[rvgifford]

Sparatus wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Being intentionally vague about things doesn't make them deep or poetic. Especially when you spent over a year promising closure, answers, and satisfaction, but deliver none of it.

This.

There was nothing deep about the ending. It was a rambling mess of scenes that did not match the tone of the series and just created more questions than answers. Which is not how you end a story like Mass Effect.

Bam.

[Voidster]

i wont apologize for my "reaction" to their lack of a proper ending. We are fighting giant machines that harvest/exterminate life. After a few hours into the sim, you see its going to have a high cost. I dont expect a Disney super happy ending (although i wouldnt mind that option) but i DO expect closure.

Thats what people are upset about, so no...no apologies necessary until Bioware either explains things or finds a way to fix it.

[Zofiya]

BioWare made a product (regardless of whether or not it is art, it is primarily a product, made to be sold). We, the consumers, paid money for the product. That gives us the right to comment on our satisfaction with said product. We don't need to apologise for having a particular opinion about the product, nor do we need to refrain from expressing that opinion merely because a negative opinion might offend the people who made the product.

You claim that it is BioWare's intention to "invoke our thoughts of Shepard's story, Shepard's end", and that they "want us to think, to unite, to break free of the walls of the game, to struggle to fight this horror, and to change the face of gaming ourselves". A lot of people have thought about the ending, have come to the conclusion that it was unsatisfactory, and have united to voice that opinion in a reasonable manner. It is virtually incomprehensible that you believe we should apologise for having an opinion, or feel bad for doing what you claim BioWare wants us to do: think.

Modifié par aristaea, 13 mars 2012 - 03:20 .

[Lethys1]

I didn't read what you wrote but I want an apology from them instead, because the level of uselessness I felt after finishing ME3 should be worth enough for me to get $60 back, and then some.

[ChaosMarky]

We're all human here. We make mistakes, and sometimes, we are slow to correct them.

To all the angry fans out there, until Bioware explains their side of the conflict, hold your fire.

We already sent our message out. The entire gaming world KNOWS about it already! It's finished! We've done our part! All the extra bickering right now is no longer productive or meaningful. Its only causing chaos at this point.

Let's wait for Bioware's response, just hear them out. :0 If their explanation isn't good enough; you all have everyone's blessing to wreak more havoc (I might even join you guys)! But until then, hold your fire. No need to waste more ammo.

[Alamar2078]

TheBandit554 wrote...

For those of you who care more than to just shout no:

http://kotaku.com/58...anging-spoilers

I read the article and I'm still happy to shout "no".  From what I can tell the author wasn't someone who embraced the game to the degree many of the hardcore fans would.  Therefore I don't see how they could have an informed opinion on how it felt to be hurt by this ending and the "expectations" that Bioware didn't want to correct prior to game launch.  Even that author admitted that the Reaper threat was ended "in the worst possible way".  So to a point the author made our point for us.

Then as far as I could tell they talked not about the destination but the journey and who really cares about where you end up at as long as the journey was good.  Well I'm the type of person that wants a good journey and end up at a destination that I"m expecting.   If I buy an airline ticket to Japan and have a great flight but I get off the flight and find myself in Iran or some other hostile country I think I've got a perfect right to be upset.

The point isn't that we want a happy ending or any one particular ending.  I believe Bioware set expectations with all their PR that the game itself didn't deliver on in the slightest.   95% of the game continued to build on those expectations with the impression that it was going to deliver.

Then basically someone took the figurative wheel and drove the game [and the series?] over a cliff.

IMHO it's Bioware that should apologize because I believe full well they fostered those expectations and built that into their PR and then opted not to deliver ....

[TheBandit554]

ChaosMarky wrote...

We're all human here. We make mistakes, and sometimes, we are slow to correct them.

To all the angry fans out there, until Bioware explains their side of the conflict, hold your fire.

We already sent our message out. The entire gaming world KNOWS about it already! It's finished! We've done our part! All the extra bickering right now is no longer productive or meaningful. Its only causing chaos at this point.

Let's wait for Bioware's response, just hear them out. :0 If their explanation isn't good enough; you all have everyone's blessing to wreak more havoc (I might even join you guys)! But until then, hold your fire. No need to waste more ammo.

^Wise man

[JustSaber]

I should apologize....

You know what? I will apologize when Bioware gives me back the hundreds of hours I spent of my life playing the series, thinking that my choices were actually shaping my characters and would mean something. I will apologize when Bioware gives me back the $645.91 I have spent at the Bioware Store for merchandise over the last two years. I will apologize when they thank me for introducing the franchise to new customers who would have never played it otherwise. I will apologize when they refund me the money spent on my two copies of ME1, three copies of ME2, and two copies of ME3, all at full price and all CEs if available, along with all the DLC that I have purchased. I will apologize when Bioware thanks me for defending Dragon Age 2 to other gamers in spite of its flaws. I will apologize when they give me back the two vacation days I have saved up over the last year so that I could play this game on the day after it released. I will apologize when BIOWARE apologizes for making me feel the most depressed I have ever felt outside of a family member dying, while they roll in money and make sly, sarcastic remarks about the fans who get them to this point.

No, actually, I refuse to apologize. An apology is only needed when you have done something wrong. In fact, the only thing I have done is merely trusted Bioware to do exactly what they said they would do, bring the series to a logical conclusion wherein my choices actually mattered. And they almost did. Bioware could have killed my Shepard, killed my squad, even killed all life in the entire galaxy to stop the Reapers, and I would have been okay with it, as long as it made sense. To put in these endings is not only a travesty because of their illogical reasoning, major plot holes, and complete disregard of the themes established throughout the rest of the series (including the same game, up to that point), but also because of the fact that Bioware either doesn't understand why their fans are upset and/or refuses to acknowledge their failure. If they don't understand, how we managed to get to a third game at all absolutely eludes me. If they don't care, that speaks for itself.

I will not apologize. I will hold the line.

Signed,

An entitled cloaca

[Lethys1]

TheBandit554 wrote...

ChaosMarky wrote...

We're all human here. We make mistakes, and sometimes, we are slow to correct them.

To all the angry fans out there, until Bioware explains their side of the conflict, hold your fire.

We already sent our message out. The entire gaming world KNOWS about it already! It's finished! We've done our part! All the extra bickering right now is no longer productive or meaningful. Its only causing chaos at this point.

Let's wait for Bioware's response, just hear them out. :0 If their explanation isn't good enough; you all have everyone's blessing to wreak more havoc (I might even join you guys)! But until then, hold your fire. No need to waste more ammo.

^Wise man

But complaining about this game is taking up the time I was supposed to be using to replay this game!  Otherwise...I got nothin else  

I dunno, I honestly don't think that we should stop.  The reason being that EA can easily turtle, make cheap weapons packs for multiplayer and scrap DLC they were going to make based on predictions.  They'll release one test DLC to see if we're willing to buy and if we don't then they'll never address this game again.

[Rip504]

Mass Effect 4.
The Illusion of choice.

No apologies as the choices have very little repercussions and all can get the same outcomes just in different ways. Then it ends with an illusion of choice.

Thank them for destroying the very thing you are thanking them for? Doesn't make much sense.
Take Shepard and Mass Relays away from Mass effect what do you have?
Take Hyperdrive from Star Wars & Luke,Warp Engines from Enterprise & Captains,Jump Gates from Babylon & Sheridan etc.
What do you have? A lost and destroyed version of what once was...

It is a great and fun game,but the ending is not the only Major problem with ME3...


No OP you are mistaken,Bioware can kiss my Polite-.

Edit: Although I do feel they have taken the next step in Shooters. All Shooters should evolve and play similar to ME3 Shooter/RPG style.

Modifié par Rip504, 13 mars 2012 - 03:41 .

[ChaosMarky]

Lethys1 wrote...

I dunno, I honestly don't think that we should stop.  The reason being that EA can easily turtle, make cheap weapons packs for multiplayer and scrap DLC they were going to make based on predictions.  They'll release one test DLC to see if we're willing to buy and if we don't then they'll never address this game again.

If they did that, then that's a good enough reason to retaliate. Until then, give them until the end of March to break their silence.

Obviously a lot of discussion is going on their brainstorming table right now. I have a friend in EA Vancouver who told me everybody in the office knows about the endings. The higher ups are still deciding on how to handle it..

No result as of now, but this is good enough for me to camp out and wait. If nothing fruitful comes out from these talks, then we can step-up our campaign! 

Modifié par ChaosMarky, 13 mars 2012 - 03:42 .

[Alamar2078]

ChaosMarky wrote...

No result as of now, but this is good enough for me to camp out and wait. If nothing fruitful comes out from these talks, then we can step-up our campaign! 

Heh ... Occupy Bioware


Honestly thought I wish they'd let us know if they did any "screenings" of the game [obviously with big-time NDAs] to determine how their hardcore fans would react?   Did they know what the impact of the decision would be?  Did they care?  What were they actually trying to accomplish and why didn't the rest of ME3 seem to support the direction that the endings logically would indicate??

[Captain_Obvious]

Perhaps it's just me being obtuse, but I don't feel that I have anything to apologize for. I have never been vitriolic in my responses, I have never personally attacked any Bioware employee or forum member for their opinions, and I have limited the use of hyperbole to my own opinions and observations. A great many people on this forum are dissatisfied, and yet we praise the game consistently while criticizing it's few, if major, flaws.

Civil discourse is not limited to the unity of opinion. I don't believe apologies are warranted for just criticism.

[nitefyre410]

TBH

Transformers Dark of the Moon had better closer in its ending than what Mass Effect 3 had in its.

that is a statement in of itself. 

And what pisses me off the most is that game I will say again... is GREAT up until the endings... its  thrill ride, emotional rollercoster...  and for all the squandered in the last 5 minutes for some  terrible "True Art is Angsty" nonsense based off the worst logic ever is so dissappointing.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 13 mars 2012 - 04:04 .

[lockdown51]

Nope.com/kh
If someone needs to apologies it is Bioware to the nation of fans with a free DLC that fixes the end. Then we will see if they can crawl back into our good graces.

[People4Peace]

Ratham wrote...

Fill the plot holes.

Until then, no.. I feel like everything I did in the other games didnt even matter one bit...

This. A million times over.

[Xo0phoenix0oX]

The best thing about this thread is that the only post about apologizing is by the OP, and the rest are essentially flaming the idea. Awesome

honestly, I agree, don't apologize, just make sure that if they don't give you want you want that you no longer buy their products. As a general rule, I buy every BioWare game, even DA2, which while not amazing, was not horrible and worth a playthru. The Mass Effect series are (until the last 15 minutes) quite possibly the greatest RPG's ever made. We're talking about a company that handled George Lucas's IP better than he was ever capable of, it's hard to imagine that they would shoot themselves in the foot like this, and I think it is a major contributor in why we all feel the way we do. Until it's fixed, I'm not buying a single BioWare product, and I hope others do the same. Oh yeah, and OP- FLAME FLAME FLAME (sorry, didn't want to feel left out)

[cyklonb1989]

Wrong answer

[ed87]

Action: ME3 ending

Reaction: Hold the line

[Robuthad]

Consensus says: Nobody agrees with OP

[coolerdude]

You are indoctrinated.

[garf]

OP rejected as reaper indoctrination attempt. Or perhaps cerberus plot.

HOLD THE LINE!

[XPMUser]

stockholm syndrome huh?

[Cyberarmy]

As a consumer I'm not allowed express disappointment about a product I have paid money for?

What are you even saying?