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[tay2208]

txmn1016 wrote...

Can we brainstorm a bit on ways to increase interest in the charity? Who has some ideas? I don't want the charity to lose momentum because of the business with the FTC complaint.

just sent you a message

[Rosery99]

Well as someone said it's probley wiser to discuss the FTC complaint within the proper thread, who knows we could turn out to be wrong and it could tip this in our favor, can never be sure I guess.

As for increasing awareness of the Charity, Im not sure, we've gone to media outlets, we've gone to the forums and various other forums. It would be great if we could get someone big to pick up the news and urge people to donate, but I'm actually at a loss on how to do that.

[UlricKerensky]

victoriakm wrote...

I've spent 7 days and quite a bit of my money to the kids for the "Retake" movement, and suddenly, I find myself ashamed.

Nothing to be ashamed about. I, like many others, feel that strongarming the company isn't our best option- and I suspect that the FTC may attempt to do just that. Everyone wants a new ending. Everyone wants to have a great relationship with a company we love. We may disagree about how to do it, but we all have the same goals.

[Metathron80]

SharlenaSharlena wrote...

OH HAPPINESS! Your wonderful Metathron80! Thankies!

Oh, and here is the American Fleet Banner:

http://i848.photobuc...ericanfleet.jpg 

Modifié par Metathron80, 16 mars 2012 - 08:42 .

[Rosery99]

Ideas for spreading our message though guys, if you got any, lets hear em. Small time radio, TV stations? Anyone got friends in the media who might be able to help us? We've held the line damn well but it might be time for even us to take a slightly more direct approach. Not only for the new endings but I'd love to see more money raised for these kids.

[MzAdventure]

UlricKerensky wrote...

victoriakm wrote...

I've spent 7 days and quite a bit of my money to the kids for the "Retake" movement, and suddenly, I find myself ashamed.

Nothing to be ashamed about. I, like many others, feel that strongarming the company isn't our best option- and I suspect that the FTC may attempt to do just that. Everyone wants a new ending. Everyone wants to have a great relationship with a company we love. We may disagree about how to do it, but we all have the same goals.

Again, I'm not certain you understand the mission/purpose of the FTC and how it functions. 

But my main point is simply this:  I'm shocked to see so many who have eloquently, compassionately and intelligently express themselves about being marginallized attack ANY fellow human in exactly the same fashion.

[Metathron80]

Rosery99 wrote...

As for increasing awareness of the Charity, Im not sure, we've gone to media outlets, we've gone to the forums and various other forums. It would be great if we could get someone big to pick up the news and urge people to donate, but I'm actually at a loss on how to do that.

Yeah, like one of the voice actors. I heard some of them posted on twitter something positive about the movement. Maybe one of the responsible persons of retake wrote each one a Email? 

[Phaedros]

Given the many statements about multiple choice/decisions that would influence the outcome(s) of the game & what we got I think his complaint is legitimate & valid.

It is separate from the retake mass effect movement and in no way detracts from it.

We all have a right to do whatever we think fit to express our dissatisfaction with what we got when we bought this product.

Hold The Line!

[OneRabidAnt]

victoriakm wrote...

Rosery99 wrote...

While this is true, we are trying to come off as neither entitled,raging or spoiled brats. The FTC complaints will reinforce negative feedback because of the very nature, we also aren't trying to HURT Bioware either, just get new endings added. The FTC will hurt BW sales if it goes through even though I highly doubt it will.

Remember BW is not a US company, the biggest thing the FTC can do is ban BW made games from the US which would cripple the company beyond repair, not what we want by a long shot. Thats why the movement is so passionatly against it. We want new endins not for a great company who made one mistake (Albeit a big one) to go down in flames.

I don't understand why his complaint is any less legitimate than mine, or yours.  If he feels cheated, he has the right (and some would say in American the obligation to bring it to the attention of those tasked to monitor such things.

It is a huge jump from "Letter to FTC" to "Ban Bioware from selling in the US" with many options in between, ranging from dismissal of complaint as being without merit to letter of caution to fines.

To belittle or describe his solution is turning around and doing to this man what many have being doing to us.  We are better than that.

Disagree with him, sure.  Dismiss him?  Don't you dare. 

I've spent 7 days and quite a bit of my money to the kids for the "Retake" movement, and suddenly, I find myself ashamed.

 Everyone has the right to put their passion in however they see fit.  And I acknowledge your opinion and respectfully disagree.  While I think they have every legal and ethical right to do this as well they should, I personally feel that going down this route before Bioware makes an offical statement to us seems presumptous.  But if this is honestly the path you feel is right, please feel free.  I apologize if it seemed like we were dismissing you. Everyone has the right to their own opinions.

[tay2208]

Rosery99 wrote...

Ideas for spreading our message though guys, if you got any, lets hear em. Small time radio, TV stations? Anyone got friends in the media who might be able to help us? We've held the line damn well but it might be time for even us to take a slightly more direct approach. Not only for the new endings but I'd love to see more money raised for these kids.

Has en email been sent to Erik Kain at forbes?  I guarantee he will be writing an article regarding the new developments and a statement from us may help.  It puts the focus back on the charity.

[Metathron80]

tay2208 wrote...

Rosery99 wrote...

Ideas for spreading our message though guys, if you got any, lets hear em. Small time radio, TV stations? Anyone got friends in the media who might be able to help us? We've held the line damn well but it might be time for even us to take a slightly more direct approach. Not only for the new endings but I'd love to see more money raised for these kids.

Has en email been sent to Erik Kain at forbes?  I guarantee he will be writing an article regarding the new developments and a statement from us may help.  It puts the focus back on the charity.

That´s also a pretty good idea! 

[MrPuschel]

Il try to keep the thread up. Have wrote some mails to german game magazines, actually there is nothing else i can do now.

[Metathron80]

MrPuschel wrote...

Il try to keep the thread up. Have wrote some mails to german game magazines, actually there is nothing else i can do now.

It´s weired nobody wrote a big story about Retake and Childs play. Guys with a high impact like Jörg Luibl always wrote a comment on something big like that.

[coloradosarge]

victoriakm wrote...

Rosery99 wrote...

While this is true, we are trying to come off as neither entitled,raging or spoiled brats. The FTC complaints will reinforce negative feedback because of the very nature, we also aren't trying to HURT Bioware either, just get new endings added. The FTC will hurt BW sales if it goes through even though I highly doubt it will.

Remember BW is not a US company, the biggest thing the FTC can do is ban BW made games from the US which would cripple the company beyond repair, not what we want by a long shot. Thats why the movement is so passionatly against it. We want new endins not for a great company who made one mistake (Albeit a big one) to go down in flames.

I don't understand why his complaint is any less legitimate than mine, or yours.  If he feels cheated, he has the right (and some would say in American the obligation to bring it to the attention of those tasked to monitor such things.

It is a huge jump from "Letter to FTC" to "Ban Bioware from selling in the US" with many options in between, ranging from dismissal of complaint as being without merit to letter of caution to fines.

To belittle or describe his solution is turning around and doing to this man what many have being doing to us.  We are better than that.

Disagree with him, sure.  Dismiss him?  Don't you dare. 

I've spent 7 days and quite a bit of my money to the kids for the "Retake" movement, and suddenly, I find myself ashamed.

It's not that anyone disagrees with him in principle.  I think the issue is the movement has been getting a  lot of mixed press.  We don't want bad press right now for two reasons.  One it could hurt donations that will do a lot of good for sick kids who are stuck in the hospital and two we don't even know right now if its something we need to do.  I guess I wouldn't be against it if it was a month or so down the road and haven't heard anything or BW just tells us to get lost.  It just isn't a good time at the moment.  That said no one wants to infrige on anyone legal rights, its just we don't want to be associated with it in the press at the current time.

[piehl]

boycott the mutliplayer this weekend. Just wondered what you thought

[txmn1016]

MrPuschel wrote...

Il try to keep the thread up. Have wrote some mails to german game magazines, actually there is nothing else i can do now.

I think this has actually gone a long way.  So thank you for doing it! What a huge help! 

[UlricKerensky]

victoriakm wrote...

UlricKerensky wrote...

victoriakm wrote...

I've spent 7 days and quite a bit of my money to the kids for the "Retake" movement, and suddenly, I find myself ashamed.

Nothing to be ashamed about. I, like many others, feel that strongarming the company isn't our best option- and I suspect that the FTC may attempt to do just that. Everyone wants a new ending. Everyone wants to have a great relationship with a company we love. We may disagree about how to do it, but we all have the same goals.

Again, I'm not certain you understand the mission/purpose of the FTC and how it functions. 

But my main point is simply this:  I'm shocked to see so many who have eloquently, compassionately and intelligently express themselves about being marginallized attack ANY fellow human in exactly the same fashion.

I'm not marginalizing him. But it's like seeing someone do something a little iffy and saying 'I wouldn't do that if I were you.'. I respect his opinion, respectfully disagree, and would rather not support the endeavor.

I am curious- what do you think would be accomplished by an FTC complaint in the short and long runs?

[txmn1016]

Ok, so one good thing someone suggested was to get the charity info on the other language BSN forums. So, who knows people who can help us do this? I don't have any lingual skills to contribute, unfortunately.

(thanks again Puschel)

[txmn1016]

Ok, also, who wants to write the e-mail to Erik (Forbes) ? Don't want him to get spammed.

Modifié par txmn1016, 16 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[Rosery99]

Yes if someone who is not currently feeling like crap (Go being sick) E-Mail our ally at Forbes and ask him to do an article on this some more, that would be great. The man has been amazingly in support of us since the beginning of this and has written nothing but informative and solid press, also perhaps we could ask him if he has contacts anywhere else who might be willing to aid us in raising awareness.

[UlricKerensky]

As far as encouraging the movement, I once again think that reaching out to other communities and doing fun things would be best.

Is someone a good singer? They could also sing Scientist Salarian.

Is someone an artist? Take comissions for the charity.

I'm baking a krogan birthday cake for Shepard. Take your talents, and use them.

[txmn1016]

Metathron80 wrote...

MrPuschel wrote...

Il try to keep the thread up. Have wrote some mails to german game magazines, actually there is nothing else i can do now.

It´s weired nobody wrote a big story about Retake and Childs play. Guys with a high impact like Jörg Luibl always wrote a comment on something big like that.

Why don't you write him? 

[SharlenaSharlena]

Rosery99 wrote...

Yes if someone who is not currently feeling like crap (Go being sick) E-Mail our ally at Forbes and ask him to do an article on this some more, that would be great. The man has been amazingly in support of us since the beginning of this and has written nothing but informative and solid press, also perhaps we could ask him if he has contacts anywhere else who might be willing to aid us in raising awareness.

This is a great idea!

[Rosery99]

txmn1016 wrote...

Ok, also, who wants to write the e-mail to Erik (Forbes) ? Don't want him to get spammed.

I honestly think we should get Unique, he's so damned good at writing non-threatening, very elequont paragraphs of what were after. I'd do it but as I said, Im sick and I get cranky and snippy when Im sick. Not what we need haha.

[txmn1016]

UlricKerensky wrote...

As far as encouraging the movement, I once again think that reaching out to other communities and doing fun things would be best.

Is someone a good singer? They could also sing Scientist Salarian.

Is someone an artist? Take comissions for the charity.

I'm baking a krogan birthday cake for Shepard. Take your talents, and use them.

Lol.  I'm a little confused about the cake.  Will we be bidding on it? /totally would