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[snajones]

ericjdev wrote...

I saw nothing in UNs statement that even mentioned hate mail, where is that coming from?
Does anyone have any evidence to support that there was hate mail?

I don't have evidence of hate mail. I just have evidence of the Child's Play people citing getting so much hate mail, as the reason for requesting us to stop the Charity drive.

I also support Rosery 100%. I am still holding the line, hoping for a better ending. I am just saddened that "hate mail" ended such a beautiful and positive thing.

Hold the line!

[txmn1016]

Rosery99 wrote...

Another charity drive will probley not erupt for the movement and permit me to explain why. If we just jump into another charity, it lends credence to the argument that we were only doing it for our cause, not because it was the right thing to do. Be assured talks are going on, we ARE going to make this an annual thing, so keep your eye out for UN,Myself,Ulric,Eirilith,Sna, and TX. For now though we have a war to win for our new endings! Lets focus on that once more.

Also most Charitys will have caught wind of this PDQ I imagine and will be hesistant, we'll likely get similiar reactions pretty rapidly.

Hold The Line, Comrades.
~R

THANK YOU

My thoughts exactly.  A lot of people will want to immediately pick up with something new.  I think that it would ultimately be detrimental.  Let's hold the line in other ways.  

[Fame-KIllz]

isig wrote...

Fame-KIllz wrote...

Yeah, these 'journalists' will probably say that now Bioware have said they're going to do something about the ending we've stopped donating to charity, which couldn't be further from the truth.

Oh, God. You're probably right.


It amazes me that, somehow,  we're constantly being labeled (by the press and other forum posters outside of Retake) as full of vitriol.. while we're being perfectly civil the whole time..  yet there are people out there in the world that have sent so much hate mail to a charity, that said charity had to take action.. and in the process lost donations..

Well, lovely..  That is just..  I honestly don't know what to say.

How can anyone stoop so low  to send hate mail to a charity organization? For any reason whatsoever.. 

I know that feel. The injustice of it all angers me even more than the ending to ME3 possibly lol. 

But that's how I can see the media interpreting it. They quite possibly might say we've stopped due to the fact that Bioware have said they are going to 'address' the ending which is why I feel Forbes could be contacted. I can see why some people don't want more attention drawn to Child's Play though.

Also, Its more the fact that we will once again be painted as the bad guys to the uninformed public, rather than us actually caring what the media says about us.

Modifié par Fame-KIllz, 22 mars 2012 - 11:20 .

[MzAdventure]

I don't agree with those of you who are saying that Child's Play shouldn't be criticized. They've effectively said "thanks for the money, don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out"

Donations are directed all the time in the non-profit world. Charities can accept, honor and enjoy these directions without being "part: of them.

There are many great organizations in the world, do many great deeds. While I have no doubt that Child's Play may do some great deeds, they have just proved themselves NOT a great organization.

I do not believe I can support them. I will withdraw my money and re-direct it to the group I work with every year. They send sick kids to summer camp.

This has left a VERY bad taste in my mouth. How can something so good go so wrong so fast?

[cinderburster]

My only regret is that I didn't get the chance to donate. Very little disposable income, was waiting for my credit card bill to roll over. =/

EDIT: I do have enough income to actually pay said bill. >_>;  Obviously.  Donating a charity and not being able to back it would be terrible.

Modifié par cinderburster, 22 mars 2012 - 11:20 .

[MzAdventure]

Arokel wrote...

rocketboy90 wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

@snajones

Not sure what to think about passing the truth on to Erik Kain/Forbes. It's pretty infuriating, but I don't want to create more problems for the Retake movement or for Child's Play.

I believe that someone should.

Someone needs to. 

If Child's Play wants to back out of this because of hate mail then they deserve to take some flak for it.  I like the organization and its cause but they were wrong to do this and need to be held accountable.

This

[OniRogue]

"A new charity campaign will be announced soon. The Retake movement has done too much good to stop now.

It's not about furthering our goals, it's about doing something to help others.

I'll keep you all up to date."

This emerged on the Facebook Page just a few minutes ago. Is some Consensus needed or was this a spur of the moment thing?

[rocketboy90]

I personally am against about jumping to another organization. Makes us feel needy or something. Also, we're just gonna try to "replicate" our previous success and it just doesnt feel right. Its gonna look weird if we start another charity run for the same cause.

And yea... I am dissapoint.

BioWare, if youre listening. Look at what has happened because of the half baked ending of A GAME. You've let us down big time... Please make it up to us.

[snajones]

txmn1016 wrote...

Rosery99 wrote...

Another charity drive will probley not erupt for the movement and permit me to explain why. If we just jump into another charity, it lends credence to the argument that we were only doing it for our cause, not because it was the right thing to do. Be assured talks are going on, we ARE going to make this an annual thing, so keep your eye out for UN,Myself,Ulric,Eirilith,Sna, and TX. For now though we have a war to win for our new endings! Lets focus on that once more.

Also most Charitys will have caught wind of this PDQ I imagine and will be hesistant, we'll likely get similiar reactions pretty rapidly.

Hold The Line, Comrades.
~R

THANK YOU

My thoughts exactly.  A lot of people will want to immediately pick up with something new.  I think that it would ultimately be detrimental.  Let's hold the line in other ways.  

This and this.

I did contact Forbes, so, I don't need a bunch of you doing it on my behalf. I sent Erik Kain the email I received from Child's Play and some background information. I specifically pointed out that "we" did not want to give Child's Play a black eye, we were simply saddened that such a positive thing could be stopped by "hate mail" / Decronstructive criticism.

Hold the line!

[ericjdev]

snajones wrote...

ericjdev wrote...

I saw nothing in UNs statement that even mentioned hate mail, where is that coming from?
Does anyone have any evidence to support that there was hate mail?

I don't have evidence of hate mail. I just have evidence of the Child's Play people citing getting so much hate mail, as the reason for requesting us to stop the Charity drive.

I also support Rosery 100%. I am still holding the line, hoping for a better ending. I am just saddened that "hate mail" ended such a beautiful and positive thing.

Hold the line!

It seemed to me like they were saying that people were confusing the charity with the movement or assuming the charity supported the movement which was creating problems for them, didn't see anything about hate mail.
Like you, I am saddened that it ending like this.

[rocketboy90]

victoriakm wrote...


I don't agree with those of you who are saying that Child's Play shouldn't be criticized. They've effectively said "thanks for the money, don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out"

Donations are directed all the time in the non-profit world. Charities can accept, honor and enjoy these directions without being "part: of them.

There are many great organizations in the world, do many great deeds. While I have no doubt that Child's Play may do some great deeds, they have just proved themselves NOT a great organization.

I do not believe I can support them. I will withdraw my money and re-direct it to the group I work with every year. They send sick kids to summer camp.

This has left a VERY bad taste in my mouth. How can something so good go so wrong so fast?

I agree with everything BUT the part where you say about withdrawing money..

[txmn1016]

OniRogue wrote...

"A new charity campaign will be announced soon. The Retake movement has done too much good to stop now.

It's not about furthering our goals, it's about doing something to help others.

I'll keep you all up to date."

This emerged on the Facebook Page just a few minutes ago. Is some Consensus needed or was this a spur of the moment thing?

I get the feeling that it was a consensus reached by a few people in the Retake chat.  I'm not really supportive of the choice, but the original idea for the charity was not supported by everyone to begin with. 

[M12311]

This is not just about hate mail. I bet Child's Play gets a substantial chunk of their donations for Video Game Companies (as shown on their site).

Our petition is going against one of the largest game publishers in the US. Child's Play can't be on both sides, especially not when EA starts to pressure them.

And in all fairness, the Child's Play donation drive was probably the most galvanizing component of the Retake ME3 Movement which in itself could turn out to the most financially damaging movement a video game publisher ever faced.

I have no doubt that when we hit $100K the CP donation drive could have become an even more powerful tool in our movement's arsenal, but we are not fighing against amateurs here, and they played their aces just like we did.

The CP drive served its purpose, and we should take comfort in the fact that Bioware made a massive strategic mistake in letting this donation drive reach the level of exposure it did.

[snajones]

M12311 wrote...

This is not just about hate mail. I bet Child's Play gets a substantial chunk of their donations for Video Game Companies (as shown on their site).

Our petition is going against one of the largest game publishers in the US. Child's Play can't be on both sides, especially not when EA starts to pressure them.

And in all fairness, the Child's Play donation drive was probably the most galvanizing component of the Retake ME3 Movement which in itself could turn out to the most financially damaging movement a video game publisher ever faced.

I have no doubt that when we hit $100K the CP donation drive could have become an even more powerful tool in our movement's arsenal, but we are not fighing against amateurs here, and they played their aces just like we did.

The CP drive served its purpose, and we should take comfort in the fact that Bioware made a massive strategic mistake in letting this donation drive reach the level of exposure it did.

Good post

Hold the line!

[Nightfire78]

victoriakm wrote...

Hi Unique,

I'm truly troubled by you post of two hours ago stated that the charity drive is being wound down at the request of the charity as they are not happy about being associated with us?

But they'll keep the money that has been donated and disavow the motivation behind it?

It feels like a kick to the teeth as they are essentially saying "Yeah, we'll keep the money you gave us and thanks so much for the awareness of our charity you brought, now don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out."

I donated heavily, twice - taking some of my gaming money and reallocating funds I give to worthy organiztions in my community because I felt so strongly this was a good cause in support of an good goal.

I'm now questioning my donation to this organization, as any charity that would be so unkind to benefactors is not a group I care to be affiliated with.

This has taken the one thing that brought happiness to me over the whole ME3 debacle and thrown it away.

I will find another way to help kids, I always have, but I'll do so with an organization that is glad to have the money I'm giving them for the reasons I've selected.

Truly, I'm very very upset.

The problem is that almost no charitable organization wants to be in the middle of a polarizing situation. They were receiving hate mail, they were probably receiving weird media attention. We're here for the time being, raising money for them because it was the charity chosen for this fundraiser that's meant to channel our negative experience into something good. A lot of us won't be here donating next year (or at least that's statistically likely) if association with us causes long-term regular supporters of the charity to pull out, it does more harm than good, and none of us want that!

The fault lies, I think, with media that is reporting false information about the charity's "affiliation" with us and what we supposedly intend with the charity. That they are receiving hate mail shows how polarizing the issue is. They need to be a neutral party everyone donates to because of the children, not "that charity that wants gaming co's to do everything their fans say" (no matter how untrue and ridiculous that title is/would be).

In the end they are trying to look out for their kids and the continuation of their charity, but they see how much we've done and of course are grateful. It's sad that it worked out like this, but their primary concern has to be the organization, and seeming to pick a side in any polarising discussion/issue is not usually good for a charity.

I don't regret any of the money I donated. It's going to help the children and no matter if we had to break it off early or not, those kids benefit massively. I just feel sad that un-informed journalism and hate-oriented actions were directed towards a worthy cause (for no valid reason, assuming there are valid reasons for sending hate mail to charities to begin with...which I can't think of any...)

Just my 2 cents worth.

Hold the line!

Edit: wow, I must be a bit out of it. I misspelled cents LOL

Modifié par Nightfire78, 22 mars 2012 - 11:37 .

[LolaLei]

That's ****ing disgraceful. People sit there and have the audacity to insult us when they're out there attacking a childrens charity. I'm absolutely speechless.

[ericjdev]

Nightfire78 wrote...

Snip

That clears up a lot, thanks.

[mrderp27]

what happened with child's play?

[OniRogue]

txmn1016 wrote...

OniRogue wrote...

"A new charity campaign will be announced soon. The Retake movement has done too much good to stop now.

It's not about furthering our goals, it's about doing something to help others.

I'll keep you all up to date."

This emerged on the Facebook Page just a few minutes ago. Is some Consensus needed or was this a spur of the moment thing?

I get the feeling that it was a consensus reached by a few people in the Retake chat.  I'm not really supportive of the choice, but the original idea for the charity was not supported by everyone to begin with. 

I too think that we should more worry about our plans to make this a yearly occurence or not (without the change the ending hook of course^^)

Right now this would only lead to the demonisation of another Charity Organisation as long as BioWare gives no definitive Statement and we keep getting labeled as the childish *and other Stuff* Stereotype.

I don't care if someone wants to flame me personally, but I would hate for those Organisations to lose credibility due to the closedmindedness of some people.

[ericjdev]

mrderp27 wrote...

what happened with child's play?

Nightfires post on this page and UNs on 224 are informative.

Modifié par ericjdev, 22 mars 2012 - 11:29 .

[Reptilian Rob]

This is nothing, if anything it will give us more fuel. It is up to the charity to do what they must and as long as the kids are helped it was worth it.

Don't falter, hold the line.

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 22 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[MzAdventure]

rocketboy90 wrote...

victoriakm wrote...


I don't agree with those of you who are saying that Child's Play shouldn't be criticized. They've effectively said "thanks for the money, don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out"

Donations are directed all the time in the non-profit world. Charities can accept, honor and enjoy these directions without being "part: of them.

There are many great organizations in the world, do many great deeds. While I have no doubt that Child's Play may do some great deeds, they have just proved themselves NOT a great organization.

I do not believe I can support them. I will withdraw my money and re-direct it to the group I work with every year. They send sick kids to summer camp.

This has left a VERY bad taste in my mouth. How can something so good go so wrong so fast?

I agree with everything BUT the part where you say about withdrawing money..

Rocketboy, if you continue to have respect and trust in the organization to whom you donated your hard-earned money, by all means continue your support.  I would never advocate otherwise.

I typically conduct a very careful review of a group prior to making any sizeable donation.  I favor organizations require participant contributions of some kind (for example, I'm wild about Jon Bon Jovi's Soul Foundation).  I like to be able to donate time as well as capital where possible. 

To make my donations to Child's Play, I redirected some of my 2012 game money and some of my 2012 donation money.  This means I took funds from groups I know and work with to send to Child's Play.

I'm baffled by Child's Play concern of our group raising money for their charity.  Given that I do not know the charity organizers, and their management is not in line with my beliefs, I feel the only proper response is to halt my donation adn redirect.

I will spend some time studying them, and consider future donation in late years if they pass my vetting process.

[snajones]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

This is nothing, if anything it will give us more fuel. It is up to the charity to do what they must and as long as the kids are helped it was worth it.

Don't falter, hold the line.

Agreed.

Let's channel this frustration like we did the first time.

Turn it into something good/positive!

Hold the line!

[mrderp27]

ericjdev wrote...

mrderp27 wrote...

what happened with child's play?

Nightfires post on this page and UNs on 224 are informative.

innocents are always the ones that get screwed over in a dispute. lame

Modifié par mrderp27, 22 mars 2012 - 11:33 .

[DusksCrown]

If this becomes an annual thing, count me in. I'll try to save at least 50 bucks a month to throw that all in next year. I'm glad that something so great can come out of something so bad but I'm a little disappointed that people are actually attacking a charity for children for any reason.

Depressing point aside, lets hit that 80k mark people!