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[ket_shee]

The purpose of the Charity Drive being that we had thousands of eyes on one topic, we should take the opportunity to open up charity lines while everyone's looking right? It was a brilliant idea and I'm glad we got as far as we did.

Pity we couldn't go further, though. We were averaging almost 8500/day in donations. Can you imagine, if we kept that momentum and the donations were that steady and the charity was open until we got ending DLC (say in 3 months), we could have donated 765k dollars to Child's Play?

[Illusory_Enemy]

We did what we did, it was great and had success. I'm against trying to make a carbon-copy of what we did or it will really look like we meant to jump on the Charity bandwagon.

Be happy with this! We accomplished something incredible!

[nupfi]

... I'm a bit shocked right now... hate mails? *really* Never imagined someone would sink this low... *sad*

[rocketboy90]

victoriakm wrote...

rocketboy90 wrote...

victoriakm wrote...


I don't agree with those of you who are saying that Child's Play shouldn't be criticized. They've effectively said "thanks for the money, don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out"

Donations are directed all the time in the non-profit world. Charities can accept, honor and enjoy these directions without being "part: of them.

There are many great organizations in the world, do many great deeds. While I have no doubt that Child's Play may do some great deeds, they have just proved themselves NOT a great organization.

I do not believe I can support them. I will withdraw my money and re-direct it to the group I work with every year. They send sick kids to summer camp.

This has left a VERY bad taste in my mouth. How can something so good go so wrong so fast?

I agree with everything BUT the part where you say about withdrawing money..

Rocketboy, if you continue to have respect and trust in the organization to whom you donated your hard-earned money, by all means continue your support.  I would never advocate otherwise.

I typically conduct a very careful review of a group prior to making any sizeable donation.  I favor organizations require participant contributions of some kind (for example, I'm wild about Jon Bon Jovi's Soul Foundation).  I like to be able to donate time as well as capital where possible. 

To make my donations to Child's Play, I redirected some of my 2012 game money and some of my 2012 donation money.  This means I took funds from groups I know and work with to send to Child's Play.

I'm baffled by Child's Play concern of our group raising money for their charity.  Given that I do not know the charity organizers, and their management is not in line with my beliefs, I feel the only proper response is to halt my donation adn redirect.

I will spend some time studying them, and consider future donation in late years if they pass my vetting process.

Right, we make mistakes, we learn from them. But withdrawing your money from the charity drive we've all worked so hard to collect means youre no better than the person who decided to shut this gig down. You still did a good thing for a purpose that we're all in this for.

I understand you completely and share your views, but I think we shouldnt back on our choice to fund this drive. I too am angry, but lets show em that we're better than them

[isig]

Not faltering, still holding the line.

Although, I don't think we should be jumping right away to another charity, as Coolfaec has made some very good points on that.. We did accomplish not only what we set out to do, but far more.. 80K is no small feat. And, after all, this whole thing started mostly because we all needed to collectively channel our energy into something positive.. and we did indeed do that.

Modifié par isig, 22 mars 2012 - 11:38 .

[snajones]

Illusory_Enemy wrote...

We did what we did, it was great and had success. I'm against trying to make a carbon-copy of what we did or it will really look like we meant to jump on the Charity bandwagon.

Be happy with this! We accomplished something incredible!

So much win here

Hold the line!

[txmn1016]

I want to remind people that PR is a major concern for charities and not for profits. In fact, it is the major factor for keeping these groups alive. Child's Play was incredibly generous to allow us to donate to their group in support of our better endings cause. When this thing was started, we had no idea where it would end up. We thought that maybe it would raise a few thousand dollars. 80K in 8 days is just astounding. It has brought a lot of attention to Child's Play, but unfortunately, not all of that attention is good. They have to think about the survival of their group too. I think they made the right decision, and we need to be graceful about it.

[rocketboy90]

But if I was the head of the CP organization and I would shut down the movement like this, I would have returned all the funds that were donated and said that "We apologize for the inconvenience, but we have to shut down your charity drive. Here is your money back. If you still wish to donate to our organization - please go to *link here* to donate".

IF they acted in that manner there wouldnt be any negative feedback from the movement.
Im not saying that we should withdraw our money, heck no, but this way would have been fair to all of us.

[MadJehuty87]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

This is nothing, if anything it will give us more fuel. It is up to the charity to do what they must and as long as the kids are helped it was worth it.

Don't falter, hold the line.

I agree 100%

We made our point with the charity. They now know we are serious. HOLD THE LINE!

[txmn1016]

rocketboy90 wrote...

But if I was the head of the CP organization and I would shut down the movement like this, I would have returned all the funds that were donated and said that "We apologize for the inconvenience, but we have to shut down your charity drive. Here is your money back. If you still wish to donate to our organization - please go to *link here* to donate".

IF they acted in that manner there wouldnt be any negative feedback from the movement.
Im not saying that we should withdraw our money, heck no, but this way would have been fair to all of us.

...

Agree to disagree.  They weren't hostile about it at all.  They were thankful, but obviously felt like the association would eventually harm them in the long run.  I would never want them to return my money. 

[MzAdventure]

rocketboy90 wrote...

But if I was the head of the CP organization and I would shut down the movement like this, I would have returned all the funds that were donated and said that "We apologize for the inconvenience, but we have to shut down your charity drive. Here is your money back. If you still wish to donate to our organization - please go to *link here* to donate".

IF they acted in that manner there wouldnt be any negative feedback from the movement.
Im not saying that we should withdraw our money, heck no, but this way would have been fair to all of us.

This.  And since they didn't make that statement... well that was where my shock is.

Yeah, thanks for the 80k, now go away??

[Rosery99]

For those itching to withdraw donations or jump onto another donation train, please don't, please. We must mantain integrity above all else, we began donating to bring attention to our cause, good attention and to help kids. We have accomplished both those goals admirably. Now that the kids have there toys and games, we must mantain strength. This Charity was never going to go long enough to make Bioware cave, I will say that now. Now is the time for the strength of our heart, of our conviction to our ideals to shine forth.

Stand strong brothers and sisters,
Stand united in the face of a superior enemy,
Stand proud in knowing you did right,
Stand tall knowing right will prevail in the end,
Stand now with me brothers and sisters,
United in arms,cause and ideals,
The battle is over but the War just begins!

Hold The Line!
~R

[Nightfire78]

rocketboy90 wrote...

But if I was the head of the CP organization and I would shut down the movement like this, I would have returned all the funds that were donated and said that "We apologize for the inconvenience, but we have to shut down your charity drive. Here is your money back. If you still wish to donate to our organization - please go to *link here* to donate".

IF they acted in that manner there wouldnt be any negative feedback from the movement.
Im not saying that we should withdraw our money, heck no, but this way would have been fair to all of us.

Doing that would likely be interpreted as them taking sides against us ("your dirty money's no good here"), which is something they don't want to be seen doing any more than they want to be seen as taking sides for us. Just sayin'

[rocketboy90]

txmn1016 wrote...

rocketboy90 wrote...

But if I was the head of the CP organization and I would shut down the movement like this, I would have returned all the funds that were donated and said that "We apologize for the inconvenience, but we have to shut down your charity drive. Here is your money back. If you still wish to donate to our organization - please go to *link here* to donate".

IF they acted in that manner there wouldnt be any negative feedback from the movement.
Im not saying that we should withdraw our money, heck no, but this way would have been fair to all of us.

...

Agree to disagree.  They weren't hostile about it at all.  They were thankful, but obviously felt like the association would eventually harm them in the long run.  I would never want them to return my money. 

Im not saying they were hostile. Im saying that this is the manner that it should've conducted in.
They just get no paragon points for their descision

[txmn1016]

rocketboy90 wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

rocketboy90 wrote...

But if I was the head of the CP organization and I would shut down the movement like this, I would have returned all the funds that were donated and said that "We apologize for the inconvenience, but we have to shut down your charity drive. Here is your money back. If you still wish to donate to our organization - please go to *link here* to donate".

IF they acted in that manner there wouldnt be any negative feedback from the movement.
Im not saying that we should withdraw our money, heck no, but this way would have been fair to all of us.

...

Agree to disagree.  They weren't hostile about it at all.  They were thankful, but obviously felt like the association would eventually harm them in the long run.  I would never want them to return my money. 

Im not saying they were hostile. Im saying that this is the manner that it should've conducted in.
They just get no paragon points for their descision

I agree with Nightfire.  Returning funds would have seemed pretty hostile on their part.  This was the most peaceful resolution possible.

[rickelmo]

Sad to see it end. I donated twice and was happy to see gamers band together and get such a high amount of money. Even if some disagree with our cause, they have to respect the money that went to those less fortunate. Hold the line guys!

[isig]

Rosery99 wrote...

For those itching to withdraw donations or jump onto another donation train, please don't, please. We must mantain integrity above all else.

~R

A thousand times, this.

Any other move at this point would be extremely counterproductive. So, while I understand that some people may feel a bit angry or somewhat demoralised after this, please, remember that we DID what we set out to do here. 

That in itself ought to be enough.

[MzAdventure]

txmn1016 wrote...

I agree with Nightfire.  Returning funds would have seemed pretty hostile on their part.  This was the most peaceful resolution possible.

We'll just have to disagree on this one.  I sit on two non-profit boards.  If we were to ask a group to NOT raise funds for us, we would at the same time return anything they had already brought in.

Because the only time we would make such a request would be if the group raising the funds were not in line with our morals/values.

Otherwise, we'd be thankful for the money.

You can accept funds without it being interpreted as support for a cause.  The only cause non-profits support is the one in their mission statement.

[txmn1016]

victoriakm wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

I agree with Nightfire.  Returning funds would have seemed pretty hostile on their part.  This was the most peaceful resolution possible.

We'll just have to disagree on this one.  I sit on two non-profit boards.  If we were to ask a group to NOT raise funds for us, we would at the same time return anything they had already brought in.

Because the only time we would make such a request would be if the group raising the funds were not in line with our morals/values.

Otherwise, we'd be thankful for the money.

You can accept funds without it being interpreted as support for a cause.  The only cause non-profits support is the one in their mission statement.

The problem though, was that CP was being inaccurately portrayed by gaming media as heading this fund in the name of Retake.  I personally e-mailed many authors noting their inaccuracy on this issue.  It was almost never changed.

[UnbornLeviathan]

That's terrible. Honestly I'd have liked to have at least gone in for 100k, but 80k isn't anything to sneeze at.

[Nightfire78]

victoriakm wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

I agree with Nightfire.  Returning funds would have seemed pretty hostile on their part.  This was the most peaceful resolution possible.

We'll just have to disagree on this one.  I sit on two non-profit boards.  If we were to ask a group to NOT raise funds for us, we would at the same time return anything they had already brought in.

Because the only time we would make such a request would be if the group raising the funds were not in line with our morals/values.

Otherwise, we'd be thankful for the money.

You can accept funds without it being interpreted as support for a cause.  The only cause non-profits support is the one in their mission statement.

Indeed, you CAN accept funds without it being interpreted as support for the cause, the problem here is that it WAS interpreted by some parts of the media (and thus people who viewed the report as true) as being support for the cause... that's where the problems come in...

but as you say, let us agree to disagree

I hope after the initial shock wears off we can rally and find new ways to channel our energy (by which I don't necessarily mean a new charity...not real sure how I would feel about diving straight into a new charity without a bit of time for emotions to settle).

Hold the line!

[snajones]

If CP does not want to associate with us, because of the negative media attention and ensuing hate mail, that's fine. That is their decision.

However, I see Vic's point too. A charity's mission statement is the only thing they "support". If you go to the Child's Play main page, you can see all of their "corporate" sponsors.

If CP wants to break ties with us - for *any* reason, they ought to offer a refund if people no longer wish to donate money. (I personally will not be asking for my money back, because I donated it for the kids regardless of what happens) However, I think it is a valid point.

In the end, I am hopeful we can find another way (I don't want to jump on another charity badwagon right away) to turn this "negative" into a "positive" like we did the first time.

Let's brainstorm ways to make this a "positive"!

Hold the line!

[CheeseEnchilada]

Well, I'm clearly late to the party here, and while it's disappointing we have to shut down so early, we've done a really great thing here. I'm saddened by what Child's Play must have received in terms of mail, but $80,000 is a huge sum of money, especially in this short span of time, and it's truly amazing that we've manage to gather that and put it towards a good cause. In the end, the children have won, and that's what matters. It would have been nice for the gaming media as a whole to understand that CP was not in charge of this particular drive and to see it in a more positive light, but that's life.

[ericjdev]

I gave for those kids, not for our cause. I support the charity and I recognize they were in a tough spot and I respect their decision. No matter what happens with the games ending we made 80k for children, that's more important.

[Tony208]

lol some pro-enders have been getting banned for trolling. I think the number of supporters they have has gone down in to the single digits.

Stay civil guys.

Hold the line.