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[fafnir magnus]

Hi there folks, I'd just like to clarify why the charity is distancing itself from the retake movement. Charities have to walk a fine line, especially while maintaining secure financial support for their operations. It is entirely possible that the charity is simply attempting to avoid being dragged into the arguments over the ending, and the broad brush being used by some in the amateur journalist field a-la penny arcade that is ostracizing this movement and all associates. It is not that they do not value the contributions, but negative press will cause more damage than the 80k donation can repair for them. I both understand and support their decision to request a distancing between the movement and the charity, as it can be confusing in some cases to separate support for the charity from support for the retake's other goals. This is best shown in signatures that say "retake mass effect" "help the kids" in one banner. This may not be intended to have such a direct correlation, but can be easily misinterpreted by an outsider.

TL;DR don't blame the charity, it simply wants to avoid this polarizing issue. You can and should still donate as a private citizen under your own name, simply avoid doing so under the retake mass effect movement as it has potential to undermine the charity's efforts to gather funds from other sources.

[T3hJim]

txmn1016 wrote...

Guys, I'm at the point of begging now. Please, just give yourselves 24 hours to calm down about this before even thinking about doing anything. There's a lot of speculation going around, but like I've said before, the only people who genuinely know what happened are the people that communicated directly with CP about it. Please, please, please, do not spread inaccurate information to news sources.
To those eager to start up with a new charity endeavor, I applaud your generosity and enthusiasm, but again ask you to just wait a bit before acting on it. You actions will have a huge effect on the Retake movement, so let's collectively take some time to consider what the next step should be.

Too true. This is another key turning point in our movement, and whilst whats happened to this charity is disgraceful pointing fingers and raging about it only discredits us. Hows about we sit back, relax and come back to this tomorrow when we've all calmed down a bit 

[Swisspease]

txmn1016 wrote...

Guys, I'm at the point of begging now. Please, just give yourselves 24 hours to calm down about this before even thinking about doing anything. There's a lot of speculation going around, but like I've said before, the only people who genuinely know what happened are the people that communicated directly with CP about it. Please, please, please, do not spread inaccurate information to news sources.
To those eager to start up with a new charity endeavor, I applaud your generosity and enthusiasm, but again ask you to just wait a bit before acting on it. You actions will have a huge effect on the Retake movement, so let's collectively take some time to consider what the next step should be.

Agreed.

[Myrmedus]

Geekadin wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

No way, he objects the movement: DESTROY him.

So have we decided what would be best to do? Donate to another charity or let it lie for a bit?

We take a "Join us or ELSE!!"attitude and we become nothing but a mob. Have we, in less than half a day, already abanodened the pride we once took in our civility?

How the HELL did you manage to miss the blatant light-heartedness of that comment? Who actually says, with utmost seriousness, "DESTROY him"?

Hoooooly crap xD

Modifié par Myrmedus, 23 mars 2012 - 01:45 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Is this where everyone from the PR discussion page moved to?

[Fuzrum77]

txmn1016 wrote...

Guys, I'm at the point of begging now. Please, just give yourselves 24 hours to calm down about this before even thinking about doing anything. There's a lot of speculation going around, but like I've said before, the only people who genuinely know what happened are the people that communicated directly with CP about it. Please, please, please, do not spread inaccurate information to news sources.
To those eager to start up with a new charity endeavor, I applaud your generosity and enthusiasm, but again ask you to just wait a bit before acting on it. You actions will have a huge effect on the Retake movement, so let's collectively take some time to consider what the next step should be.

Yup. Totally agree.

[Whybother]

Evil_medved wrote...
Personally i can't imagine someone stopping charity only because they got some mails with hate. That's ridiculous.

There are some f'ed up people in the world.

[Verit]

I have to echo the sentiment that people need to cool down. What happened was unfortunate, but to start throwing around baseless accusations and even worse, trying to get media attention based on those accusations will only end up ruining what the whole charity drive achieved. Let's end this on a positive note, and please think twice before starting a new charity drive under the Retake banner.

[catgirl789]

jbauck wrote...

Wow, this thread is moving fast ... faster than I can blink.

Seriously, guys, this is a win. Getting cut short because inaccurate journalism and hate mail put CP in a bad position is disappointing ... it's disappointing for a variety of reasons, but ...

... $80,000.00

Let me say that again.

$80,000.00

Please direct your attention to page 20-ish and 60-ish (if I'm remembering that right) of this thread, for the shocked responses to the first-day $1,000 donation, and the mid-drive $10,000 donation. We didn't make those specific donations, but the overall tone there?

We did that.

We took something that was upsetting us, and we said "Y'know what? Screw being depressed and upset and angry - We're going to do something awesome and uplifting."

Thanks for the positive post. It made me feel the awe of this charity drive all over again.
Remember to stay civil guys, stand together and Hold the Line!

[Hexley UK]

Myrmedus wrote...

Geekadin wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

No way, he objects the movement: DESTROY him.

So have we decided what would be best to do? Donate to another charity or let it lie for a bit?

We take a "Join us or ELSE!!"attitude and we become nothing but a mob. Have we, in less than half a day, already abanodened the pride we once took in our civility?

How the HELL did you manage to miss blatant light-heartedness of that comment? Who actually says, with utmost seriousness, "DESTROY him"?

Hoooooly crap xD

Lol yea i was thinking the exact same thing...he was obviously joking.

[catgirl789]

Swisspease wrote...

VigilancePress wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I personally was very impressed by the charity drive and proud of all the community members who participated. Thank you for the good thing you did for the kids.

Now, let's stop it with the conspiracy theories, baseless accusations, and blame, and, if you guys still want to do something constructive with your movement, then do something constructive with it instead of wallowing in something that capped off a "very good thing to do." You guys should be proud of yourselves.

Thank you, Stanley.

Guys? Seriously. Time to move to the next step. Let's be civil. Paranoia doesn't serve our cause, being vocal and eloquent serves our cause.

Yes. Stay civil

And again thank you Stanley

Thirded. Thanks for dropping by Mr. Woo

[Evil_medved]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

Folks,

Let's try to get word about this to the media - CNN, Fox News, BBC, whomever will listen. What was done to this charity is unacceptable.

QFT

No. Pointing fingers and assigning blame here is not the answer. It's done and we need to move on, no matter how upsetting this may be.

Yeah? When one guy complained to FTC, they had no problem pointing fingers at whole our movement, no?

[txmn1016]

People who don't see the point in denying funds-- I'm going to say this again. Charities/NFPs absolutely and fundamentally rely on good PR. They would not exist otherwise. If a group decides that accepting funds from someone will ultimately harm their future income (and thus, charitable endeavors) they will probably stop. CP was in NO WAY hostile about wanting the Retake charity to cool things down. They have been getting a lot of flack from inaccurate media sources who have claimed that the Retake charity fund was started and headed by CP. I'd say that's completely understandable grounds for wanting us to wrap things up. It absolutely was NOT a "thanks for the 80k now gtfo" situation, so please stop saying this. It's so hurtful to CP and members of the Retake movement.

[cinderburster]

HITMAN629 wrote...

You guys realize that Stanley Woo complemented us right? He dosent speak on his personal feelings often so I think its a point of pride.

This.  We SHOULD be proud of ourselves.  Let's move on.

[txmn1016]

Evil_medved wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

Folks,

Let's try to get word about this to the media - CNN, Fox News, BBC, whomever will listen. What was done to this charity is unacceptable.

QFT

No. Pointing fingers and assigning blame here is not the answer. It's done and we need to move on, no matter how upsetting this may be.

Yeah? When one guy complained to FTC, they had no problem pointing fingers at whole our movement, no?

...

I'm confused.  Is that a justifcation? 

[HandsomeHobo]

Myrmedus wrote...

Geekadin wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

No way, he objects the movement: DESTROY him.

So have we decided what would be best to do? Donate to another charity or let it lie for a bit?

We take a "Join us or ELSE!!"attitude and we become nothing but a mob. Have we, in less than half a day, already abanodened the pride we once took in our civility?

How the HELL did you manage to miss the blatant light-heartedness of that comment? Who actually says, with utmost seriousness, "DESTROY him"?

Hoooooly crap xD

Sorry, I can't always tell when people are joking or not........

[txmn1016]

fafnir magnus wrote...

Hi there folks, I'd just like to clarify why the charity is distancing itself from the retake movement. Charities have to walk a fine line, especially while maintaining secure financial support for their operations. It is entirely possible that the charity is simply attempting to avoid being dragged into the arguments over the ending, and the broad brush being used by some in the amateur journalist field a-la penny arcade that is ostracizing this movement and all associates. It is not that they do not value the contributions, but negative press will cause more damage than the 80k donation can repair for them. I both understand and support their decision to request a distancing between the movement and the charity, as it can be confusing in some cases to separate support for the charity from support for the retake's other goals. This is best shown in signatures that say "retake mass effect" "help the kids" in one banner. This may not be intended to have such a direct correlation, but can be easily misinterpreted by an outsider.

TL;DR don't blame the charity, it simply wants to avoid this polarizing issue. You can and should still donate as a private citizen under your own name, simply avoid doing so under the retake mass effect movement as it has potential to undermine the charity's efforts to gather funds from other sources.

Thanks for taking the time to write this.  So much appreciation for me

[cinderburster]

Evil_medved wrote...

Yeah? When one guy complained to FTC, they had no problem pointing fingers at whole our movement, no?

That was the media, not Child's Play.  Trying to get MORE MEDIA involved in this in the hopes of vindicating the movement in the eyes of the people that have been slinging mud at it is counter-productive.  It won't work.  If anything, it will likely bring MORE negative attention onto a good charity.

[txmn1016]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Is this where everyone from the PR discussion page moved to?

Ok, this gave me a good lol when I really needed one.  Cheers

[rockman0]

fafnir magnus wrote...

Hi there folks, I'd just like to clarify why the charity is distancing itself from the retake movement. Charities have to walk a fine line, especially while maintaining secure financial support for their operations. It is entirely possible that the charity is simply attempting to avoid being dragged into the arguments over the ending, and the broad brush being used by some in the amateur journalist field a-la penny arcade that is ostracizing this movement and all associates. It is not that they do not value the contributions, but negative press will cause more damage than the 80k donation can repair for them. I both understand and support their decision to request a distancing between the movement and the charity, as it can be confusing in some cases to separate support for the charity from support for the retake's other goals. This is best shown in signatures that say "retake mass effect" "help the kids" in one banner. This may not be intended to have such a direct correlation, but can be easily misinterpreted by an outsider.

TL;DR don't blame the charity, it simply wants to avoid this polarizing issue. You can and should still donate as a private citizen under your own name, simply avoid doing so under the retake mass effect movement as it has potential to undermine the charity's efforts to gather funds from other sources.

Listen to this guy. He's...insightful.  And calm down. You did good. 

As much as I hate cliched military metaphors (part of the reason I've never typed, "Hold the Line!"), take that as a battle won. And hold the frikkin Line!

[Lucas Wolfen]

txmn1016 wrote...

Guys, I'm at the point of begging now. Please, just give yourselves 24 hours to calm down about this before even thinking about doing anything. There's a lot of speculation going around, but like I've said before, the only people who genuinely know what happened are the people that communicated directly with CP about it. Please, please, please, do not spread inaccurate information to news sources.
To those eager to start up with a new charity endeavor, I applaud your generosity and enthusiasm, but again ask you to just wait a bit before acting on it. You actions will have a huge effect on the Retake movement, so let's collectively take some time to consider what the next step should be.

As much as I hate to admit it I think you're right, I'm incredibly angry/upset about the whole situation.  It would be best for everyone to take some time to cool off and sleep on this, myself including.

Hold the line.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Evil_medved wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

Folks,

Let's try to get word about this to the media - CNN, Fox News, BBC, whomever will listen. What was done to this charity is unacceptable.

QFT

No. Pointing fingers and assigning blame here is not the answer. It's done and we need to move on, no matter how upsetting this may be.

Yeah? When one guy complained to FTC, they had no problem pointing fingers at whole our movement, no?

I'm not sure I get your point. We've already been labeled as whiners, and the FTC thing just made it worse. What happened here is upsetting, but I'm not sure how calling out Child's Play is going to make us look any better. There's been enough confusing press, which is what caused CP to pull out in the first place. I don't see how our reporting could make it any better. It's probably best to just take our lumps and move on.

[Myrmedus]

Geekadin wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Geekadin wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

No way, he objects the movement: DESTROY him.

So have we decided what would be best to do? Donate to another charity or let it lie for a bit?

We take a "Join us or ELSE!!"attitude and we become nothing but a mob. Have we, in less than half a day, already abanodened the pride we once took in our civility?

How the HELL did you manage to miss the blatant light-heartedness of that comment? Who actually says, with utmost seriousness, "DESTROY him"?

Hoooooly crap xD

Sorry, I can't always tell when people are joking or not........

Well learn swiftly, you FOOL!

(I'm kidding)

Well, going to throw in the towel for tonight then and maybe we'll make a decision on this tomorrow. I am still quite surprised at Child's Play though. If I was leading the charity, my mission would be to bring games etc. to kids, and if a movement was a benefactor then I'd just shrug my shoulders.

Quite odd that they're so strong on wanting to avoid connection to us that they actually refuse donations.

[MzAdventure]

fafnir magnus wrote...

Hi there folks, I'd just like to clarify why the charity is distancing itself from the retake movement. Charities have to walk a fine line, especially while maintaining secure financial support for their operations. It is entirely possible that the charity is simply attempting to avoid being dragged into the arguments over the ending, and the broad brush being used by some in the amateur journalist field a-la penny arcade that is ostracizing this movement and all associates. It is not that they do not value the contributions, but negative press will cause more damage than the 80k donation can repair for them. I both understand and support their decision to request a distancing between the movement and the charity, as it can be confusing in some cases to separate support for the charity from support for the retake's other goals. This is best shown in signatures that say "retake mass effect" "help the kids" in one banner. This may not be intended to have such a direct correlation, but can be easily misinterpreted by an outsider.

TL;DR don't blame the charity, it simply wants to avoid this polarizing issue. You can and should still donate as a private citizen under your own name, simply avoid doing so under the retake mass effect movement as it has potential to undermine the charity's efforts to gather funds from other sources.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense.  By asking us to cease the drive, they are unequiovacably stating that they are embarrassed by the source of the funds.  To do that and compound it by keeping the money is something I can't even wrap my brain around.

The charity has a stated mission, it is clear what they support.  They are not seen to "support" any of their donor corporations, are they?  How is this diffferent?  It isn't.

The press coverage, when viewed objectively (and for fun, I just had a non-gamer associate who heads a non-profit of similar size and scope to CP review the coverage and comment) is not negative.  In fact, it raises awareness of a group tremendously.  His response to the CP shut down of the charity drive was "What?"  (and of course, since he is in the non-profit world, a semi-serious offer to be the new charity of ReTake)

I am not sayin leverage was brought to bear by other sponsors.  I am saying that this was a uncoventional response to a legitimate funding source and windfall to a worthy cause.

[txmn1016]

So JaaackNN contacted me and asked me to post their Retake work.  For the love of Ash, guys!