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[MzAdventure]

txmn1016 wrote...

People who don't see the point in denying funds-- I'm going to say this again. Charities/NFPs absolutely and fundamentally rely on good PR. They would not exist otherwise. If a group decides that accepting funds from someone will ultimately harm their future income (and thus, charitable endeavors) they will probably stop. CP was in NO WAY hostile about wanting the Retake charity to cool things down. They have been getting a lot of flack from inaccurate media sources who have claimed that the Retake charity fund was started and headed by CP. I'd say that's completely understandable grounds for wanting us to wrap things up. It absolutely was NOT a "thanks for the 80k now gtfo" situation, so please stop saying this. It's so hurtful to CP and members of the Retake movement.

Sorry, but that is exactly what it was. 

[Icesong]

Who really knows what happened? It's just speculation so far.

So, we should calm down. No facts, no media.

Mbednar wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

Folks,

Let's try to get word about this to the media - CNN, Fox News, BBC, whomever will listen. What was done to this charity is unacceptable.

QFT

There are no facts.  Just hearsay and rumors.

Media only publishes clear and concise facts after the entire story is known, delayed for months at a time just to make sure nothing was missed. News at 9.

[catgirl789]

Fuzrum77 wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

Guys, I'm at the point of begging now. Please, just give yourselves 24 hours to calm down about this before even thinking about doing anything. There's a lot of speculation going around, but like I've said before, the only people who genuinely know what happened are the people that communicated directly with CP about it. Please, please, please, do not spread inaccurate information to news sources.
To those eager to start up with a new charity endeavor, I applaud your generosity and enthusiasm, but again ask you to just wait a bit before acting on it. You actions will have a huge effect on the Retake movement, so let's collectively take some time to consider what the next step should be.

Yup. Totally agree.

txmn, you always say things better than I can.

Take a moment to cool down everyone. We have done a great thing here no matter that it was cut short. The drive ending doesn't mean that you can't donate anymore. We as a community need to stop and plan out the new direction we should be heading in without anger and depression fresh in our minds. Remember the purpose of this drive was to turn those same emotions into something positive, so let us honor those ideals by remaining civil and courteous to others.

[frypan]

The accountant in me wants to hit a hundred grand because its a good number and satisfies my own completion urges. I will happily donate again if that can be organised with another charity.

Might want to make sure they are on board though, whoever caused the problem with childs play will probably do the same thing again, and I'd hate to see another one put on the spot.

[curufinwe03]

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Media only publishes clear and concise facts after the entire story is known, delayed for months at a time just to make sure nothing was missed. News at 9.

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My sarcasm detector just exploded, thank you.

[DrowVampyre]

Ok, here's a preliminary of the requested Garrus banner - I may make another version, but for now, here's one you can use if you like:

[Evil_medved]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

Folks,

Let's try to get word about this to the media - CNN, Fox News, BBC, whomever will listen. What was done to this charity is unacceptable.

QFT

No. Pointing fingers and assigning blame here is not the answer. It's done and we need to move on, no matter how upsetting this may be.

Yeah? When one guy complained to FTC, they had no problem pointing fingers at whole our movement, no?

I'm not sure I get your point. We've already been labeled as whiners, and the FTC thing just made it worse. What happened here is upsetting, but I'm not sure how calling out Child's Play is going to make us look any better. There's been enough confusing press, which is what caused CP to pull out in the first place. I don't see how our reporting could make it any better. It's probably best to just take our lumps and move on.

Sure, we'll just sit here, quiet and polite, while our opponents destroy charities and dominating every major mass media out there untill nothing will be left of our proud little movement. <_<

[txmn1016]

victoriakm wrote...

fafnir magnus wrote...

Hi there folks, I'd just like to clarify why the charity is distancing itself from the retake movement. Charities have to walk a fine line, especially while maintaining secure financial support for their operations. It is entirely possible that the charity is simply attempting to avoid being dragged into the arguments over the ending, and the broad brush being used by some in the amateur journalist field a-la penny arcade that is ostracizing this movement and all associates. It is not that they do not value the contributions, but negative press will cause more damage than the 80k donation can repair for them. I both understand and support their decision to request a distancing between the movement and the charity, as it can be confusing in some cases to separate support for the charity from support for the retake's other goals. This is best shown in signatures that say "retake mass effect" "help the kids" in one banner. This may not be intended to have such a direct correlation, but can be easily misinterpreted by an outsider.

TL;DR don't blame the charity, it simply wants to avoid this polarizing issue. You can and should still donate as a private citizen under your own name, simply avoid doing so under the retake mass effect movement as it has potential to undermine the charity's efforts to gather funds from other sources.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense.  By asking us to cease the drive, they are unequiovacably stating that they are embarrassed by the source of the funds.  To do that and compound it by keeping the money is something I can't even wrap my brain around.

The charity has a stated mission, it is clear what they support.  They are not seen to "support" any of their donor corporations, are they?  How is this diffferent?  It isn't.

The press coverage, when viewed objectively (and for fun, I just had a non-gamer associate who heads a non-profit of similar size and scope to CP review the coverage and comment) is not negative.  In fact, it raises awareness of a group tremendously.  His response to the CP shut down of the charity drive was "What?"  (and of course, since he is in the non-profit world, a semi-serious offer to be the new charity of ReTake)

I am not sayin leverage was brought to bear by other sponsors.  I am saying that this was a uncoventional response to a legitimate funding source and windfall to a worthy cause.

No, they're indicating that the attention from the topic surrounding the drive could eventually have a negative impact on their overall funding.  It has absolutely nothing to do with their personal stake in the matter (if such a thing exists).  They're a group founded by and for the most part funded by gamers.  Some gamers obviously have a major problem with their ( inaccurately portrayed) connection with the Retake movement.  This will, in turn, negatively effect their funding in the next fiscal year.  They have every right to politely request that we wrap things up. 

[txmn1016]

DrowVampyre wrote...

Ok, here's a preliminary of the requested Garrus banner - I may make another version, but for now, here's one you can use if you like:

OH MY GOD! 

So using this when I get a free minute to breath and change my banner.  Thanks!!!!!!:D:D

[Voidster]

long story, short verson.

Charity, good idea. Associated with upset gamers, Bad idea. (bad for image, political stance, PR)

so they shut it down to avoid any further connection between the Retake ME and the negative feeback thrown at us from the haters, EA/BW employees and IGN. Over a video game.

sometimes i wonder hour our species made it this far.

[CaptainJaques]

Absolute crap... I cannot believe the ridiculous media spin and the actual vocal minority that led to this decision. I work for a charity and I can tell you it takes a pretty big deal to turn down any donation revenue, particularly as big a stream as they've been getting from the Retake movement.
We've been painted as horrible haters and manipulative people by publications like Penny Arcade and IGN. Publications whose audiences trust these sites and therefore listen to their crap. And Child's Play doesn't want to be associated with people who are portrayed so horrendously.

So there's no EA/conspiracy theory here. It's simply our major detractors who reach a large audience that generally don't do further research. It sucks, but that's the power the media has.

I say be proud of what you've accomplished. So many people from all walks of life, different countries, different ages, etc have all come together in a way that almost feels like we learnt something from the Mass Effect universe. If you get people together, regardless of who they are, you can enact great change upon the world. Whether we get better endings or not, you can sleep soundly in the knowledge that you've made a lot of ill children out there very happy.

Good job.

[MikeRoz]

Evil_medved wrote...

Sure, we'll just sit here, quiet and polite, while our opponents destroy charities and dominating every major mass media out there untill nothing will be left of our proud little movement. <_<

Which is more important - the charity, or our movement?

If the charity, take some time and allow tempers to cool.

If the movement, then by all means make a scene and condemn everyone involved.

[txmn1016]

Evil_medved wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

Folks,

Let's try to get word about this to the media - CNN, Fox News, BBC, whomever will listen. What was done to this charity is unacceptable.

QFT

No. Pointing fingers and assigning blame here is not the answer. It's done and we need to move on, no matter how upsetting this may be.

Yeah? When one guy complained to FTC, they had no problem pointing fingers at whole our movement, no?

I'm not sure I get your point. We've already been labeled as whiners, and the FTC thing just made it worse. What happened here is upsetting, but I'm not sure how calling out Child's Play is going to make us look any better. There's been enough confusing press, which is what caused CP to pull out in the first place. I don't see how our reporting could make it any better. It's probably best to just take our lumps and move on.

Sure, we'll just sit here, quiet and polite, while our opponents destroy charities and dominating every major mass media out there untill nothing will be left of our proud little movement. <_<

At least we can still say we're proud of what we did.  Believe it or not, things could be must worse, friend.

[Swisspease]

[quote]curufinwe03 wrote...

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Media only publishes clear and concise facts after the entire story is known, delayed for months at a time just to make sure nothing was missed. News at 9.

[/quote]
My sarcasm detector just exploded, thank you.

[/quote]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one

[catgirl789]

DrowVampyre wrote...

Ok, here's a preliminary of the requested Garrus banner - I may make another version, but for now, here's one you can use if you like:

It's lovely, though I'd appreciate a Kaidan/Neutral banner as well. Thanks for all of your wonderful banners.

[txmn1016]

[quote]MikeRoz wrote...

[quote]Evil_medved wrote...

Sure, we'll just sit here, quiet and polite, while our opponents destroy charities and dominating every major mass media out there untill nothing will be left of our proud little movement. <_<
[/quote]Which is more important - the charity, or our movement?

If the charity, take some time and allow tempers to cool.

If the movement, then by all means make a scene and condemn everyone involved.

[/quote]

Lolz, stop making those kind of suggestions

[Melicamp]

HITMAN629 wrote...

You guys realize that Stanley Woo complemented us right? He dosent speak on his personal feelings often so I think its a point of pride.

Oh dear. *looks at sig* 

[jonal11]

DrowVampyre wrote...

Ok, here's a preliminary of the requested Garrus banner - I may make another version, but for now, here's one you can use if you like:

Thank you! I used it, wouldn't mind some others but hey, I'm not complaining, I'm just Holding The Line!

EDIT: Booo, to small sig area, it gets rid of my "His name was Marauder Shields, he died protecting us from the ending" Oh well though, one goes away so others may live on.

Modifié par jonal11, 23 mars 2012 - 02:02 .

[CheeseEnchilada]

Evil_medved wrote...


Sure, we'll just sit here, quiet and polite, while our opponents destroy charities and dominating every major mass media out there untill nothing will be left of our proud little movement. <_<

Or we can be constructive and continue to find ways to announce our displeasure that doesn't involve roping the media into it and possibly confusing everyone even more. As other posters have said, we should probably wait twenty-four hours before doing anything anyway, give ourselves a chance to calm down. This is frustrating, and it's a good idea for all of us to take a breath.

[jbauck]

catgirl789 wrote...

jbauck wrote...

Wow, this thread is moving fast ... faster than I can blink.

Seriously, guys, this is a win. Getting cut short because inaccurate journalism and hate mail put CP in a bad position is disappointing ... it's disappointing for a variety of reasons, but ...

... $80,000.00

Let me say that again.

$80,000.00

Please direct your attention to page 20-ish and 60-ish (if I'm remembering that right) of this thread, for the shocked responses to the first-day $1,000 donation, and the mid-drive $10,000 donation. We didn't make those specific donations, but the overall tone there?

We did that.

We took something that was upsetting us, and we said "Y'know what? Screw being depressed and upset and angry - We're going to do something awesome and uplifting."

Thanks for the positive post. It made me feel the awe of this charity drive all over again.
Remember to stay civil guys, stand together and Hold the Line!

You're welcome.  I learned a long time ago that some people just want to ruin things for everyone - but this charity drive taught me that some people, no matter how hurt or disappointed they are, just want to make things better for everyone.  I was really touched and moved by how many people came together to raise that much money that fast and how often I saw the sentiment "this isn't even about the endings anymore, it's about the kids."

While this latest knock was kind of shockingly abrupt, it's still about the kids.  And for the Fun Factor, here's the actual links to the aforementioned pages ... reread and enjoy.

http://social.biowar...ndex/9845819/20
http://social.biowar...ndex/9845819/60

Also, I want to say thank you to the organizers and artists who put together this charity drive and did so much to promote it and spread the word.  $80,000 in 8 days is astounding for a bunch of entitled whiners ...

BSN -

[piehl]

I just read the news. Such a shame to shut the drive down like that. While I won't bash anyone or say anything in complete frustration I am wondering what strings were pulled. Thank you unique amd to everyone who kept this going it gave those kids and ourselves a little bit of hope.

I will continue to hold the line because that is our secondary objective. To get this fixed. All of you were awesome and if this thread continues I shall continue to participate. It was an honor to hold the line with such compassionate well spokenand level headed peoplein such dire circumstances.

Remember that we will honor kirrahe shepard an the many others by keeping this movement alive and well. There is no surrender in each and every one of you and I look forward to seeing it in the coming days and weeks untill this situation is resolved.

Thanks y'all
That pie guy.

[txmn1016]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...


Sure, we'll just sit here, quiet and polite, while our opponents destroy charities and dominating every major mass media out there untill nothing will be left of our proud little movement. <_<

Or we can be constructive and continue to find ways to announce our displeasure that doesn't involve roping the media into it and possibly confusing everyone even more. As other posters have said, we should probably wait twenty-four hours before doing anything anyway, give ourselves a chance to calm down. This is frustrating, and it's a good idea for all of us to take a breath.

I'll drink to that.  And I did.  Because having a cocktail is my way of "taking a breath", "taking a step back", or whatever.  

[Ricvenart]

I am absolutely appaulled at reading this. I'm probably more disgusted right now at what has happened then the blatant lies regarding the ending.
Wonder if publicly Bioware mentioned something besides positive reviews (that also tend to attack the movement, want for change and use of charity), if it may have prevented some of the hatemail. Rather then appear to deem it's ok going in one direction.
I'll leave it at that. I don't even, awful day for a few reasons.

[MzAdventure]

txmn1016 wrote...

victoriakm wrote...

fafnir magnus wrote...

Hi there folks, I'd just like to clarify why the charity is distancing itself from the retake movement. Charities have to walk a fine line, especially while maintaining secure financial support for their operations. It is entirely possible that the charity is simply attempting to avoid being dragged into the arguments over the ending, and the broad brush being used by some in the amateur journalist field a-la penny arcade that is ostracizing this movement and all associates. It is not that they do not value the contributions, but negative press will cause more damage than the 80k donation can repair for them. I both understand and support their decision to request a distancing between the movement and the charity, as it can be confusing in some cases to separate support for the charity from support for the retake's other goals. This is best shown in signatures that say "retake mass effect" "help the kids" in one banner. This may not be intended to have such a direct correlation, but can be easily misinterpreted by an outsider.

TL;DR don't blame the charity, it simply wants to avoid this polarizing issue. You can and should still donate as a private citizen under your own name, simply avoid doing so under the retake mass effect movement as it has potential to undermine the charity's efforts to gather funds from other sources.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense.  By asking us to cease the drive, they are unequiovacably stating that they are embarrassed by the source of the funds.  To do that and compound it by keeping the money is something I can't even wrap my brain around.

The charity has a stated mission, it is clear what they support.  They are not seen to "support" any of their donor corporations, are they?  How is this diffferent?  It isn't.

The press coverage, when viewed objectively (and for fun, I just had a non-gamer associate who heads a non-profit of similar size and scope to CP review the coverage and comment) is not negative.  In fact, it raises awareness of a group tremendously.  His response to the CP shut down of the charity drive was "What?"  (and of course, since he is in the non-profit world, a semi-serious offer to be the new charity of ReTake)

I am not sayin leverage was brought to bear by other sponsors.  I am saying that this was a uncoventional response to a legitimate funding source and windfall to a worthy cause.

No, they're indicating that the attention from the topic surrounding the drive could eventually have a negative impact on their overall funding.  It has absolutely nothing to do with their personal stake in the matter (if such a thing exists).  They're a group founded by and for the most part funded by gamers.  Some gamers obviously have a major problem with their ( inaccurately portrayed) connection with the Retake movement.  This will, in turn, negatively effect their funding in the next fiscal year.  They have every right to politely request that we wrap things up. 

Sorry, but you just said the same thing I did in my first paragraph, but with "pretty" and "soft" words rather than simple plain language.

And I agree, they have every right to request that the drive be ended, but I should be accompanied by a public statement and offer to return funds already earned in support of a cause "that could have a negative effect on their overall funding".

[Nightfire78]

longtimecoming00 wrote...

I am not a member of the
“retake” movement, and I doubt I ever will be. That being said, to
actively undermine your goal by threatening a charity that provides
comfort to children in hospitals is unethical and moral reprehensible.

Despite
my differences with your organization, allow me to congratulate you on
what has been a successful and noteworthy charity drive.

Thank
you for posting and reminding us that the majority of people on both
sides of this situation (and people who are indifferent to it) are just
normal people with differing views.

/respect