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[Fruxie]

When the link wouldn't load for me I came right here. While I am deeply saddened by the shut down of the Retake movement for Child's Play I think the good we have done is absolutely amazing! I look forward to what we do next, I am excited, giddy even!

Hold the line people!

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

txmn1016 wrote...

snajones wrote...

Just a quick note:

I heard back from Child's Play. While I will *not* be doing it - they do say they are willing to refund a donation... See below cut and paste from my email...


We are certainly willing to issue refunds to any who request them. They can contact me and I will issue it through Paypal, and I'm happy to do so.

I think there is still a bit of misunderstanding within the community about our issue- not with you, but those who feel we are trying to cut off the RME group. I'll try to explain why this is a difficult issue for us- one that RME wasn't causing, but just brought to light.

For example, if someone took a hotly debated political issue and said "Donate to Child's Play to support [insert issue here]", it could potentially cause some serious issues. Clearly what Retake Mass Effect was doing is in no way negative, it, like I said, created a slippery slope for others to use the charity for agendas we clearly do not support.

Thank you again for getting in touch. We take the concerns of the community very seriously, and I hope that this helps clarify.

Regards,

Jamie

Thanks for getting in contact with CP and posting the info.

This should go in the OP.

[WP217]

This was a heck of an effort for a wonderful cause. Whether it means supporting another charity after this is something I'm sure will be discussed over the next several days. Let us leave speculation aside for the moment; it tends to breed paranoia which leads to conspiracy theories. And that serves no one at this point. I am not in possession of a great deal of facts on the matter and I would not dare to guess one way or the other the motivating force that led to the current situation. Everyone should hold their head up proud for doing their part in making the charity drive a success. It speaks volumes to people's character; and positive things at that.

[piehl]

txmn1016 wrote...

piehl wrote...

Everyone loves pie. He's such a well spoken kind hearted rough round the edges guy. Did I mention he's not bad lookin likes long walks on the beach guns and mass effect?

Too bad I'm married. 

lol i expected everyone to miss that. and i dont know what to say gee thanks lol

[catgirl789]

Diablos2525 wrote...

catgirl789 wrote...

FierceReaper wrote...

FierceReaper wrote...

/snipped the quote tree

Hey, not over yet. I'm donating again on this pay, if the chipin page decides to work for me.

Wait I've somehow missed something havent' I.

The ChipIn page had to close down because Child's Play had to politely ask the Retake movement to stop. There were too many inaccurate articles saying that they directly supported the cause and this could cause them to lose donations in the longrun that our drive could never make up for, no matter how much money we could've raised.

However if you still want to donate, here's their main site. http://www.childsplaycharity.org/

Who could fund such a large amount of donations to give child's play pause? I wonder. Someone big in the industry probably. A publisher maybe with an interest in the issue.

I was thinking less a single backer and more that countless gamers, who are most likely the bulk of where CPC's donations come from, could see the articles, feel enraged that CPC could support such a cause (if they're completely against it) and decide to stop donating to the charity permanently. I feel less that this is a conspiracy and more that this is a PR move to make sure that the charit will continue receiving funds in the long-term rather than receiving a lot in the short term with less to keep them going in the future.

[Whybother]

txmn1016 wrote...

Whybother wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
Yes, the page has disappeared and the organized donation drive has ended. but please don't let that stop you from donating on your own. The organization will still appreciate it all the same.

Another thing you can do is give games, etc. directly to the children's hospitals who work with Child's Play.  They have Amazon wish lists, so it's easy to buy them a few games, controllers, etc.

Now there's an idea I can get behind. 

Here's a link: childsplaycharity.org/donate

[Diablos2525]

Whybother wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...
I am sorry, but that is total crap...  I wonder who it was. I don't think bioware would do this. Maybe EA. Could be IGN or one of those. I guess it doesn't matter. We still raised 80,000 dollars.

It didn't have to be anyone in particular.  Child's Play may well have not wanted to look like they were taking sides - because they weren't taking sides.

If people feel that strongly about the national organization - and they shouldn't - then give to the local hospitals.

Child's Plays primary concern is with obtaining funds to help children. Someone or some group with more influence and money than us threatened to not donate to them or give them bad press, this we can safely assume. It is the most logical scenario.

[xxskyshadowxx]

Part of the issue, from what I read anyway, was that the slogan to donate was "Support a new ending, donate!" which does make it sound like the charity was supporting something it had nothing to do with, and that can be problematic for a non-profit organization.

If you choose another charity, I would suggest a different call to action: "Redirect your negative feelings over the ME3 ending into a positive action--donate!" The same thing might ultimately happen...but it could be less likely with that different approach.

[ZodiEmish]

Whybother wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...
I am sorry, but that is total crap...  I wonder who it was. I don't think bioware would do this. Maybe EA. Could be IGN or one of those. I guess it doesn't matter. We still raised 80,000 dollars.

It didn't have to be anyone in particular.  Child's Play may well have not wanted to look like they were taking sides - because they weren't taking sides.

If people feel that strongly about the national organization - and they shouldn't - then give to the local hospitals.

That is a good point, but somehow. I still cant shake the feeling someone pulled the strings. My guess is was Penny Arcade themselves seeing that they were againsts the movement, and they started child's play so they still might have pull in that charity. 

I don't know. I will just put on my tin foil hat and wait for the next charity to be announced.

* puts on tin foil hat and sits in the corner. with his back to the wall *

[Ricvenart]

Diablos2525 wrote...

Ricvenart wrote...

Diablos2525 wrote...

From a human perspective one more win for the good guys, despite all the evil and greed in this world.

Why doesn't it feel that way? More like all the negativity in one direction is deemed okay.

Trying to do good in the world is like beating your head against a steel door that is padlocked to try to open it. We can make dents, dents that people will notice. But will we feel good in the end? I don't think so. We can wear them down though, always try to do the right thing even when doing the wrong thing is so much easier.

Well as it turns out Bioware did give me the bittersweet ending that has me in tears....shame it wasn't in the game, rather then reality.

[Diablos2525]

catgirl789 wrote...

Diablos2525 wrote...

catgirl789 wrote...

FierceReaper wrote...

FierceReaper wrote...

/snipped the quote tree

Hey, not over yet. I'm donating again on this pay, if the chipin page decides to work for me.

Wait I've somehow missed something havent' I.

The ChipIn page had to close down because Child's Play had to politely ask the Retake movement to stop. There were too many inaccurate articles saying that they directly supported the cause and this could cause them to lose donations in the longrun that our drive could never make up for, no matter how much money we could've raised.

However if you still want to donate, here's their main site. http://www.childsplaycharity.org/

Who could fund such a large amount of donations to give child's play pause? I wonder. Someone big in the industry probably. A publisher maybe with an interest in the issue.

I was thinking less a single backer and more that countless gamers, who are most likely the bulk of where CPC's donations come from, could see the articles, feel enraged that CPC could support such a cause (if they're completely against it) and decide to stop donating to the charity permanently. I feel less that this is a conspiracy and more that this is a PR move to make sure that the charit will continue receiving funds in the long-term rather than receiving a lot in the short term with less to keep them going in the future.

I have no gamer friends who I know that would stoop to such actions, either you surround yourself with horrible people who are so fickle as to threaten a charity that they probably wouldn't have donated to because they are assosciated with a cause they have no vested interest in, or someone with a lot of power and money was behind this.

I'm not saying you're wrong. You could be right and the world could be more screwed up than I imagined, but the more logical scenario is someone big is behind this. As to whether it's IGN or EA or who, we can't safely speculate.

[SamFlagg]

ZodiEmish wrote...

Whybother wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...
I am sorry, but that is total crap...  I wonder who it was. I don't think bioware would do this. Maybe EA. Could be IGN or one of those. I guess it doesn't matter. We still raised 80,000 dollars.

It didn't have to be anyone in particular.  Child's Play may well have not wanted to look like they were taking sides - because they weren't taking sides.

If people feel that strongly about the national organization - and they shouldn't - then give to the local hospitals.

That is a good point, but somehow. I still cant shake the feeling someone pulled the strings. My guess is was Penny Arcade themselves seeing that they were againsts the movement, and they started child's play so they still might have pull in that charity. 

I don't know. I will just put on my tin foil hat and wait for the next charity to be announced.

* puts on tin foil hat and sits in the corner. with his back to the wall *

Shake that feeling.  There is no need to muck up the good we've done.

[Whybother]

ZodiEmish wrote...

Whybother wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...
I am sorry, but that is total crap...  I wonder who it was. I don't think bioware would do this. Maybe EA. Could be IGN or one of those. I guess it doesn't matter. We still raised 80,000 dollars.

It didn't have to be anyone in particular.  Child's Play may well have not wanted to look like they were taking sides - because they weren't taking sides.

If people feel that strongly about the national organization - and they shouldn't - then give to the local hospitals.

That is a good point, but somehow. I still cant shake the feeling someone pulled the strings. My guess is was Penny Arcade themselves seeing that they were againsts the movement, and they started child's play so they still might have pull in that charity. 

I don't know. I will just put on my tin foil hat and wait for the next charity to be announced.

* puts on tin foil hat and sits in the corner. with his back to the wall *

They may have started it, but a lot of companies and game developers, some of whom have little love for EA, help keep that organization around.  I trust the statement that the CP organizers put out.

[catgirl789]

piehl wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

piehl wrote...

Everyone loves pie. He's such a well spoken kind hearted rough round the edges guy. Did I mention he's not bad lookin likes long walks on the beach guns and mass effect?

Too bad I'm married. 

lol i expected everyone to miss that. and i dont know what to say gee thanks lol

Sorry, I noticed it too, but I'm a one biotic kinda gal. Still, who doesn't like pie? Maybe we can find him a nice lady, or fella, to settle down with.

[cinderburster]

ZodiEmish wrote...

That is a good point, but somehow. I still cant shake the feeling someone pulled the strings. My guess is was Penny Arcade themselves seeing that they were againsts the movement, and they started child's play so they still might have pull in that charity. 

I don't know. I will just put on my tin foil hat and wait for the next charity to be announced.

* puts on tin foil hat and sits in the corner. with his back to the wall *

I'm going to paraphrase Stanley's first post here today: let's stop with the blaming and finger-pointing, okay?  Focus on the fact that you did a good thing.

Child's Play has explained their position, and it's a good one.  It wasn't pressure from anyone, it was the movement's involvement bringing to light a very serious issue all charities face--people using them to rally support for political causes that they are in no way affiliated with.

Child's Play has no issue with Retake, they just don't want to put themselves in a position of having other groups use them as a platform.

And this is completely fair.

[Ravennus]

I.... honestly don't know what to say at this point.

I'm going to sleep on this, as I did the ME3 ending. Hopefully the end result is more... positive.

*sigh*

[TheodoricFriede]

The people who support the endings shut down a charity.

Their mothers must be so proud.

[catgirl789]

Ravennus wrote...

I.... honestly don't know what to say at this point.

I'm going to sleep on this, as I did the ME3 ending. Hopefully the end result is more... positive.

*sigh*

I dunno, I think it was pretty positive the first time. Still, here's a comic that might cheer you up a bit, I know it made me lol.

[piehl]

Guess there's nothing left to do after this news but have a drink

I'm drinking some george jones and a little bit of coe. Haggards easin my misery and waylons keepin me from home. Hanks gonna give me them high times cash is good at singin low. I'm gonna get wasted with all my country heroes.

[txmn1016]

Diablos2525 wrote...

Whybother wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...
I am sorry, but that is total crap...  I wonder who it was. I don't think bioware would do this. Maybe EA. Could be IGN or one of those. I guess it doesn't matter. We still raised 80,000 dollars.

It didn't have to be anyone in particular.  Child's Play may well have not wanted to look like they were taking sides - because they weren't taking sides.

If people feel that strongly about the national organization - and they shouldn't - then give to the local hospitals.

Child's Plays primary concern is with obtaining funds to help children. Someone or some group with more influence and money than us threatened to not donate to them or give them bad press, this we can safely assume. It is the most logical scenario.

No.  Just no.  You can't assume that.  CP has its own reasons.  Just respect them and move on. 

[ZodiEmish]

SamFlagg wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...

Whybother wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...
I am sorry, but that is total crap...  I wonder who it was. I don't think bioware would do this. Maybe EA. Could be IGN or one of those. I guess it doesn't matter. We still raised 80,000 dollars.

It didn't have to be anyone in particular.  Child's Play may well have not wanted to look like they were taking sides - because they weren't taking sides.

If people feel that strongly about the national organization - and they shouldn't - then give to the local hospitals.

That is a good point, but somehow. I still cant shake the feeling someone pulled the strings. My guess is was Penny Arcade themselves seeing that they were againsts the movement, and they started child's play so they still might have pull in that charity. 

I don't know. I will just put on my tin foil hat and wait for the next charity to be announced.

* puts on tin foil hat and sits in the corner. with his back to the wall *

Shake that feeling.  There is no need to muck up the good we've done.

^ That is why I am sitting in the corner. To shake the feeling. I don't know. this just bugs me. I promoted this to everyone I knew so they could help and donate. not to forget my own donations. even if small being a broke college student. I know it was just a PR ploy because some people were taking it the wrong way, and they needed to protect their image. anyway back to shaking the feeling, and look forward to the next charity... I think unicef would be a great idea.

Modifié par ZodiEmish, 23 mars 2012 - 02:42 .

[FierceReaper]

TheodoricFriede wrote...


The people who support the endings shut down a charity.

Their mothers must be so proud.

No, they just made someone decide to shut down a drive. The charity is still fine and there and donatable to.  Take the positive energy all of this created and focus it in the other things this movement has been praised for; polite, level-headed discourse.

[txmn1016]

Ricvenart wrote...

Diablos2525 wrote...

Ricvenart wrote...

Diablos2525 wrote...

From a human perspective one more win for the good guys, despite all the evil and greed in this world.

Why doesn't it feel that way? More like all the negativity in one direction is deemed okay.

Trying to do good in the world is like beating your head against a steel door that is padlocked to try to open it. We can make dents, dents that people will notice. But will we feel good in the end? I don't think so. We can wear them down though, always try to do the right thing even when doing the wrong thing is so much easier.

Well as it turns out Bioware did give me the bittersweet ending that has me in tears....shame it wasn't in the game, rather then reality.

QFT

[Diablos2525]

Ricvenart wrote...

Diablos2525 wrote...

Ricvenart wrote...

Diablos2525 wrote...

From a human perspective one more win for the good guys, despite all the evil and greed in this world.

Why doesn't it feel that way? More like all the negativity in one direction is deemed okay.

Trying to do good in the world is like beating your head against a steel door that is padlocked to try to open it. We can make dents, dents that people will notice. But will we feel good in the end? I don't think so. We can wear them down though, always try to do the right thing even when doing the wrong thing is so much easier.

Well as it turns out Bioware did give me the bittersweet ending that has me in tears....shame it wasn't in the game, rather then reality.

I'm really angry right now, and you're really sad right now. In the end though, a lot of kids are going to be really happy. Even in what appears to be our defeat, the good this movement has done has shone through.

You know there was a charity drive for the local newspaper for Children's hospital here, and I donated last year and my mom Donated this year, the paper is 1 dollar but we both gave way more. I was going to cash in all the change I'd been saving for a  little while, but I rolled it up and gave them my ten dollars in change. I know it's not much but I did my little part to make the world a better place, and if we all do our little parts it really adds up.

You know when they make us angry they make us more determined. I have a few hundred bucks on me right now and I was going to blow it on some video games and food with my friend tomorrow, and now I'm thinking I'll donate it to Roswell Park Cancer Institute. I'm serious, I feel like when evil comes knocking on your door you need to do something good and knock louder.

[txmn1016]

piehl wrote...

Guess there's nothing left to do after this news but have a drink

I'm drinking some george jones and a little bit of coe. Haggards easin my misery and waylons keepin me from home. Hanks gonna give me them high times cash is good at singin low. I'm gonna get wasted with all my country heroes.

I saw a fan recipe for ryncol, incidently...