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[pomrink]

I havent posted in this thread in a few hundred pages, but i'm glad to have been a part of this

[cinderburster]

FierceReaper wrote...

TheodoricFriede wrote...


The people who support the endings shut down a charity.

Their mothers must be so proud.

No, they just made someone decide to shut down a drive. The charity is still fine and there and donatable to.  Take the positive energy all of this created and focus it in the other things this movement has been praised for; polite, level-headed discourse.

This seems to have been missed:

snajones wrote...

Just a quick note:

I heard back from
Child's Play. While I will *not* be doing it - they do say they are
willing to refund a donation... See below cut and paste from my email...


We
are certainly willing to issue refunds to any who request them. They
can contact me and I will issue it through Paypal, and I'm happy to do
so.

I think there is still a bit of misunderstanding within the
community about our issue- not with you, but those who feel we are
trying to cut off the RME group. I'll try to explain why this is a
difficult issue for us- one that RME wasn't causing, but just brought to
light.

For example, if someone took a hotly debated political
issue and said "Donate to Child's Play to support [insert issue here]",
it could potentially cause some serious issues. Clearly what Retake Mass
Effect was doing is in no way negative, it, like I said, created a
slippery slope for others to use the charity for agendas we clearly do
not support.

Thank you again for getting in touch. We take the concerns of the community very seriously, and I hope that this helps clarify.

Regards,

Jamie

That letter?  Is from Child's Play.  It explains their position.  Enough with the conspiracy theories.

Modifié par cinderburster, 23 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[txmn1016]

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

snajones wrote...

Just a quick note:

I heard back from Child's Play. While I will *not* be doing it - they do say they are willing to refund a donation... See below cut and paste from my email...


We are certainly willing to issue refunds to any who request them. They can contact me and I will issue it through Paypal, and I'm happy to do so.

I think there is still a bit of misunderstanding within the community about our issue- not with you, but those who feel we are trying to cut off the RME group. I'll try to explain why this is a difficult issue for us- one that RME wasn't causing, but just brought to light.

For example, if someone took a hotly debated political issue and said "Donate to Child's Play to support [insert issue here]", it could potentially cause some serious issues. Clearly what Retake Mass Effect was doing is in no way negative, it, like I said, created a slippery slope for others to use the charity for agendas we clearly do not support.

Thank you again for getting in touch. We take the concerns of the community very seriously, and I hope that this helps clarify.

Regards,

Jamie

Thanks for getting in contact with CP and posting the info.

This should go in the OP.

I think only UN can change the OP.  And UN is taking a well deserved break from the BSN.  I'm sure you can message the suggestion though and he'll get it. 

[rocketboy90]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I personally was very impressed by the charity drive and proud of all the community members who participated. Thank you for the good thing you did for the kids.

Now, let's stop it with the conspiracy theories, baseless accusations, and blame, and, if you guys still want to do something constructive with your movement, then do something constructive with it instead of wallowing in something that capped off a "very good thing to do." You guys should be proud of yourselves.

We do understand your attempts at helping us stay positive, however I believe that we do need some time to vent about what happened. It does cause a lot of frustration when something like this happens.

[Diablos2525]

txmn1016 wrote...

Diablos2525 wrote...

Whybother wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...
I am sorry, but that is total crap...  I wonder who it was. I don't think bioware would do this. Maybe EA. Could be IGN or one of those. I guess it doesn't matter. We still raised 80,000 dollars.

It didn't have to be anyone in particular.  Child's Play may well have not wanted to look like they were taking sides - because they weren't taking sides.

If people feel that strongly about the national organization - and they shouldn't - then give to the local hospitals.

Child's Plays primary concern is with obtaining funds to help children. Someone or some group with more influence and money than us threatened to not donate to them or give them bad press, this we can safely assume. It is the most logical scenario.

No.  Just no.  You can't assume that.  CP has its own reasons.  Just respect them and move on. 

Unless we are provided with more information, we will have to assume the most logical sequence of events played out. We shouldn't take it as fact, but gravity is just a theory as well....

[Whybother]

A mod can modify the OP as well, and in this case I think it's justified.

[Evil_medved]

Ravennus wrote...

I.... honestly don't know what to say at this point.

I'm going to sleep on this, as I did the ME3 ending. Hopefully the end result is more... positive.

*sigh*

Ha! There are 99% chance all that "Retake" business will end by Bioware keeping ending without any change whatsoever and Stanley Woo here posting "Well you got good run guys, be proud of yourselfs, end of the line". <_<

[txmn1016]

Diablos2525 wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

Diablos2525 wrote...

Whybother wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...
I am sorry, but that is total crap...  I wonder who it was. I don't think bioware would do this. Maybe EA. Could be IGN or one of those. I guess it doesn't matter. We still raised 80,000 dollars.

It didn't have to be anyone in particular.  Child's Play may well have not wanted to look like they were taking sides - because they weren't taking sides.

If people feel that strongly about the national organization - and they shouldn't - then give to the local hospitals.

Child's Plays primary concern is with obtaining funds to help children. Someone or some group with more influence and money than us threatened to not donate to them or give them bad press, this we can safely assume. It is the most logical scenario.

No.  Just no.  You can't assume that.  CP has its own reasons.  Just respect them and move on. 

Unless we are provided with more information, we will have to assume the most logical sequence of events played out. We shouldn't take it as fact, but gravity is just a theory as well....

Assuming the worst is not logical.  It's paranoia.

[Diablos2525]

Let me just add that as upset as many of us are and believe me I am UPSET, please do not ask for a refund for your donation. It is not the children's fault, it is not child's play's fault. It is whoever pressured them into not taking our donation's fault. Re-direct your hatred into positive thoughts into how we can best move forward and portray ourselves positively to the media.

[Fruxie]

*just caught up on some reading* Goodness gracious folks. D: You donated to a charity! A charity. That is money you give to people that need it. To help make children happy. How could you even think of asking for it back? I am baffled.

For those angrily writing messages to Child's play requesting their donations back, please, sit back in your chair, go have some cheese and crackers. Unwind a little, pet the cat, I don't care. Reflect and realize what your money is going to be doing, and who it is going to make very very happy.

Charity is never the wrong choice. When I have money to spare I give where I can. It's not about karma, or entitlement, you don't give if the only thing on your mind is getting something back. You give because you want to, because you know that the people you are giving to need it more than you do.

Be happy! This is an amazing victory, and while most of us are unhappy the Retake charity got shut down, I am happy it even existed.

Please, don't ask for your money back. And keep holding that line, Bioware sees us, and if we keep working and keep pushing forward they may even deliver.

[Diablos2525]

txmn1016 wrote...

Diablos2525 wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

Diablos2525 wrote...

Whybother wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...
I am sorry, but that is total crap...  I wonder who it was. I don't think bioware would do this. Maybe EA. Could be IGN or one of those. I guess it doesn't matter. We still raised 80,000 dollars.

It didn't have to be anyone in particular.  Child's Play may well have not wanted to look like they were taking sides - because they weren't taking sides.

If people feel that strongly about the national organization - and they shouldn't - then give to the local hospitals.

Child's Plays primary concern is with obtaining funds to help children. Someone or some group with more influence and money than us threatened to not donate to them or give them bad press, this we can safely assume. It is the most logical scenario.

No.  Just no.  You can't assume that.  CP has its own reasons.  Just respect them and move on. 

Unless we are provided with more information, we will have to assume the most logical sequence of events played out. We shouldn't take it as fact, but gravity is just a theory as well....

Assuming the worst is not logical.  It's paranoia.

When you assume the worst, you are always prepared for the truth. Usually the truth winds up being the worst, that's the sort of world we live in nowadays.

Some of the greatest people in history such as Beethoven, Mozart, Tesla, were all paranoid.

Modifié par Diablos2525, 23 mars 2012 - 02:51 .

[Ricvenart]

@Diablos: As sad as I am, I'm also really angry too, furious in fact, I typed out a long reply that would likely get me banned. But didn't send it in the end. I can't help but feel the negativity going one way is completely ignored, and fostered because of it. They mention all the postive reviews and destructive critism all the time, yet what of this movement? An attempt to do something positive and largely succeded?

Seen as they want to claim we never gave them the benefit of doubt, I'll return the favour at this point, they never return that to thier fans.

[piehl]

ryncol really haha
and as for finding pie a gal no thanks its more fun when your single.

[txmn1016]

Not even remotely retake related but, if anyone needs a good laugh--

[Ryuuken117]

Right, deny children toys because the people giving you money want a change to a video game, and that's "political."

Child's Play was founded by a couple of guys who wanted to refute the idea that gamers are entitled manchildren who are violent and antisocial. When a group of gamers wants to protest in a constructive way that improves the lives of sick children, they shut down the charity drive?

Disgusting.

[gmboy902]

I'm proud of the charity effort, because it gives us publicity, shows that we aren't greedy bastards who just ask and ask and expect to get and get, and most importantly goes to a good cause.

I'd like to see a new one open up so we can continue this tradition.

[ZodiEmish]

Fruxie wrote...

*just caught up on some reading* Goodness gracious folks. D: You donated to a charity! A charity. That is money you give to people that need it. To help make children happy. How could you even think of asking for it back? I am baffled.

For those angrily writing messages to Child's play requesting their donations back, please, sit back in your chair, go have some cheese and crackers. Unwind a little, pet the cat, I don't care. Reflect and realize what your money is going to be doing, and who it is going to make very very happy.

Charity is never the wrong choice. When I have money to spare I give where I can. It's not about karma, or entitlement, you don't give if the only thing on your mind is getting something back. You give because you want to, because you know that the people you are giving to need it more than you do.

Be happy! This is an amazing victory, and while most of us are unhappy the Retake charity got shut down, I am happy it even existed.

Please, don't ask for your money back. And keep holding that line, Bioware sees us, and if we keep working and keep pushing forward they may even deliver.

I agree with this. While I am upset and might have a few tears. NO ONE should demand a refund to a charity. ALL of our hard work went to something good, and it will still help children. I don't care how upset you are. You should not take your money back from child's play. It is not the right thing to do.

[OniRogue]

txmn1016 wrote...

Not even remotely retake related but, if anyone needs a good laugh--

Legion!!!!  "We miss you"

[CheeseEnchilada]

txmn1016 wrote...

Not even remotely retake related but, if anyone needs a good laugh--

Yes. This is easily one of my favorite Mass Effect related videos! The Mysteries of Legion and Friends is also pretty awesome, especially if you're familiar with Team Fortress.

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 23 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[Vasparian]

But the PA guys are hypocrites a lot of the time. Yeah they do good for kids, but they also act self entitled and like manchildren a lot of the time. And no it's not in jest all the time when they act this way.

[piehl]

Yeah y'all need to cheer up cause we did a great thing. Things change and stuff like this happens. We all need to buck up and continue the good work. And besides ladies and gents all drinks on me. Its not a loss but a victory! Celebrate the good you did. Our voice won't go away.

[txmn1016]

Pretty sure that even though CP was started by the PA guys, it's run by others now. Not a hundred percent on that--but surely there are others majorly involved by this point (much more so than the founders).

[DrowVampyre]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

DrowVampyre wrote...

I'll do a Shields one, sure. It'll just take a bit longer cause I hafta find a source image, extract him, find a background icon, figure out coloration, etc.

Just came back and saw all of your banners--they are gorgeous! Really stellar work. And I second the Shields notion, if you're inclined to do it; I will happily sig that.

Thanks!

Here's Shields, for those that want him (open to criticism, but I wanted to get it out quickly for you):

[PeaceMack]

I can see where Child's Play is coming from with all this and why they'd want to not want to get falsely labelled.

What's interesting though, is that corporations use charities all the time marketing purposes. Heck, when Walmart wanted to come in to my town, you'd have thought that they were giving away all their revenue to the local charities from the way they talked.

[Nightfire78]

Evil_medved wrote...

Ravennus wrote...

I.... honestly don't know what to say at this point.

I'm going to sleep on this, as I did the ME3 ending. Hopefully the end result is more... positive.

*sigh*

Ha! There are 99% chance all that "Retake" business will end by Bioware keeping ending without any change whatsoever and Stanley Woo here posting "Well you got good run guys, be proud of yourselfs, end of the line". <_<

I think knowing that is why we did the charity drive, isn't it? So that even if we can't get Bioware to help us out with the ending issues (though I'm convinced that we can!), we'd know we've done something good. We, or at least I wanted to know I would at least take 1 positive thing out of this debaucle, no matter how it turned out... and I am, 80k in 9 days . Now that's done, but I intend to keep fighting for a better/proper ending to ME3 knowing that no one can take away the fact that we stood together and made something positive happen one way or the other.

Hold the line!