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[leondes1]

count_4 wrote...

Can someone explain in a sentence or two what exactly happened?
Been out of the loop for a while. Thanks.

Childs play got closed see here

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/ 

People went on a massive attack in various trends attacking Penny arcades people blaming them for causing the closure as they are co-founders of childs play. 

Gave my damned to stop it.

Oh ya forgot, some of our "members" decided to demand refunds from the chairty causing more raging and disasters.

It's been...... an emotional day to say the least.

Modifié par leondes1, 23 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[JeeWeeJ]

leondes1 wrote...

JulienJaden wrote...

maki0129 wrote...

Lurchibald wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks that this http://www.brittlebo...ut-the-bbs.html would be the perfect charity?

No.

Someone make the chip-in already.

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No its to early, not after today. RELAX, it will be done. Give it time

This ^^. Even though I support another charity drive, give it some time. People are still raging about the last one (which I really don't get TBH), give them time to cool down. Maybe after the PAX panel we'll get some more info about what Bioware is going to do with the endings.

Let's just enjoy what we've accomplished with this one before we rush into another.

Modifié par JeeWeeJ, 23 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[SamFlagg]

count_4 wrote...

Can someone explain in a sentence or two what exactly happened?
Been out of the loop for a while. Thanks.

1.) Charity Drive started a couple of weeks ago donating to Child's Play (The Penny Arcade Charity) under the banner of "We'd like a new ME3 Ending, and right now we're all angry, so even if we don't get a new ending we've done something productive.

2.) Money gets collected ends up at around 80k

3.) PA contacts the Charity Drive starter on the RetakeME3 side and asks that we wrap it up.  (This is where speculation starts to creep in.)

   3A.) Reasons given involve being under a deluge of emails wondering what the charitys relationship to the movment was
   3B) Some people asking for their charitable donation money back
   3C) Generally the whole thing had reached a sort of critical mass where the existance of the drive started to be something of a political potato that could've affected the long term goals of the charity (This one is purely my supposition, but it makes sense and I believe that Gabe and Tycho were acting in the best interest of the charity)

4.) A whole bunch of rage pops up because the drive was ended, and a lot of us have been trying to quell that.

[FemmeShep]

leondes1 wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Can someone explain in a sentence or two what exactly happened?
Been out of the loop for a while. Thanks.

Childs play got closed see here

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/ 

People went on a massive attack in various trends attacking Penny arcades people blaming them for causing the closure as they are co-founders of childs play. 

Gave my damned to stop it.

Oh ya forgot, some of our "members" decided to demand refunds from the chairty causing more raging and disasters.

Well...

Were people upset because Penny Arcade was making fun of them? I could see why that would demoralize some. 

Although, regardless how you feel about PA, the money was still going to a great cause. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 23 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[maki0129]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Please, there are hundreds of other children's charities to donate to.  I have lost all trust in the people who run this one. 

Well, find it again.

Tycho and Gabe are both great people, who set up the largest gaming community charity existing today. The staff at Child's Play actively helped clear up the doubts donors of the re-take movement may have, and our effort was for the most part supported by the Child's Play people.

But they had to make the decision that they felt was best for their charity in the long run.

And to limit support made by a certain group to clarify that you are not connected to it or their cause, is a move that charities are forced into often. I know because I've helped run a couple.

Hating on Tycho, Gabe, and Child's Play is non-sensical. As a movement, re-take did a great thing in getting that amount of money. But let us not forget, that it is only with Child's Play help that the money actually made a difference in someone's life.

Now, let's all take a breathe, then move on to the next charity.

Modifié par maki0129, 23 mars 2012 - 08:27 .

[RoninTX]

Stanley Woo wrote...

And that's what I'm here for. That, and to occasionally remind folks that there are actual living people behind these BioWare tags and working within the BioWare and EA organizations, people with jobs and hobbies, families and kids, likes and dislikes. And probably ponies!

Also, I like pie. Thanks for keeping things 99.99999999999926% civil, Retake movement. i'll say it again: you done a good thing for the kids.

the problem is that I live in the netherlands and the ChipIn made it easy to donate for me, on their main page it is abit trickier to donate (aka less easy)

Also it is hard to stay civil when it feels like the whole world is against you.
Nearly all reviewer sites ( mainly Gamespot, IGN and Penny Arcade) make personal attacks on the people who dislike the ending and asked Bioware if it could be changed.

[Aznable Char]

 I think keeping calm is great here because we ARE getting a new thing underway . Use your energy to help organize but learn from our mistakes . For those of you who are feeling a bit of an existential downer from this announcement and feel as if the RETake movement is a disappointment , here's what I said in the other thread dealing with this:


We knew this fight was not going to be easy and that there would be times when we would be tested . This is why we need to hold firm and recognize that we had a massive victory with the 80,000 raised .

This sadness you feel about things falling apart ? Do you know what that reminds me of ?
The fact that ME3's endings were horrible and an unfit part of the series .

We wouldn't be here , we wouldn't be donating money , we wouldn't be having OPs spinning and smearing if it weren't for the fact that those endings have pushed so many people into this situation .

Be angry at the (probably) handful of people who (sabotage or not) attempt to taint a whole successful endeavor which should continue

focus on the TAINT that brought us here . These endings . turn that disappointment into something that REMINDS YOU of why we are holding the line . Grab onto these feelings of sadness and remember : this is what happened to us at the end of ME3 . We are not used to disappointment , but we found strength to move forward , involve our friends , and create things that people should not forget .

You may hear about how they're smearing us now , but (mind the cliché) think of the children you've helped . Think of their smiles . Do you think Mordin was sad when he went up and cured the genophage even though he would die ? he knew there would be sacrifices .

KEEP CALM AND HOLD THE LINE .

MORDIN KNEW WHAT SACRIFICE MEANT . Bear the persecution and turn our disappointment as a reminder of why we are energized , organizing , and willing to go the distance to see Mass Effect end in a beautiful , artistic , and satisfying way consistent with the rest of the series .

[count_4]

Thanks for the elaboration everyone.

[leondes1]

RoninTX wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

And that's what I'm here for. That, and to occasionally remind folks that there are actual living people behind these BioWare tags and working within the BioWare and EA organizations, people with jobs and hobbies, families and kids, likes and dislikes. And probably ponies!

Also, I like pie. Thanks for keeping things 99.99999999999926% civil, Retake movement. i'll say it again: you done a good thing for the kids.

the problem is that I live in the netherlands and the ChipIn made it easy to donate for me, on their main page it is abit trickier to donate (aka less easy)

Also it is hard to stay civil when it feels like the whole world is against you.
Nearly all reviewer sites ( mainly Gamespot, IGN and Penny Arcade) make personal attacks on the people who dislike the ending and asked Bioware if it could be changed.

Believe me, I'm more renegade, I am doing my damnest to stay calm and calm others. No one said this would be easy folks but we got to stick together. There are places that are on our side. If anything our civility must be a trademark showing that this is who we are. 

[AxisEvolve]

maki0129 wrote...

Well, find it again.

Tycho and Gabe are both great people, who set up the largest gaming community charity existing today. The staff at Child's Play actively helped clear up the doubts donors of the re-take movement may have, and our effort was for the most part supported by the Child's Play people.

As long as they aren't the tryhards who keep writing the flamebait articles then I'm fine with them. 

maki0129 wrote...
Now, let's all take a breathe, then move on to the next charity. 

I most certainly am. 

[recentio]

leondes1 wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Can someone explain in a sentence or two what exactly happened?
Been out of the loop for a while. Thanks.

Childs play got closed see here

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/ 

People went on a massive attack in various trends attacking Penny arcades people blaming them for causing the closure as they are co-founders of childs play. 

Gave my damned to stop it.

Oh ya forgot, some of our "members" decided to demand refunds from the chairty causing more raging and disasters.

It's been...... an emotional day to say the least.

Those people are more of a disgrace than that one guy who went to the FTC. Absolutely unacceptable, apalling behavior.

[RinuCZ]

maki0129 wrote...

I think the Brittle Bone Society is an amazing idea.

Posters with Joker in it could be made in a matter of seconds.

Haha, a great idea. I'm all for that. It'd be nice to see it happened as a long-term donation project.

Modifié par RinuCZ, 23 mars 2012 - 09:09 .

[blurryhunter]

RoninTX wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

And that's what I'm here for. That, and to occasionally remind folks that there are actual living people behind these BioWare tags and working within the BioWare and EA organizations, people with jobs and hobbies, families and kids, likes and dislikes. And probably ponies!

Also, I like pie. Thanks for keeping things 99.99999999999926% civil, Retake movement. i'll say it again: you done a good thing for the kids.

the problem is that I live in the netherlands and the ChipIn made it easy to donate for me, on their main page it is abit trickier to donate (aka less easy)

Also it is hard to stay civil when it feels like the whole world is against you.
Nearly all reviewer sites ( mainly Gamespot, IGN and Penny Arcade) make personal attacks on the people who dislike the ending and asked Bioware if it could be changed.

Sadly, many of the places I see making such attacks aren't referencing any form of reason other then artistic values and choosing to ignore, or at least not speak of, anything those in favor of the change of ending cite as their sources.

In short, they say the movement is wrong and say it's artistic liberties at stake ignoring the literal heaps of statements and quotes made prior to Mass Effect 3 that the movement cite as sources of the discontent (not to mention the in-game issues of the endings themselves).

EDIT: For me, this comes down to a really big issue involving product and company. It's like being sold a bread roll with cheese. You're told that it has all this cheese in it and then you find out it does not have said cheese. So you take it back and say: Why doesn't this have the cheese you say it does? And then other customers, who also got the cheeseless bread roll w/cheese say: We didn't mind the lack of cheese, why are you complaining, you're wrong! And no matter how much you state that the sign said 'Cheese inside!', you're constantly told that the bread was just fine.

Modifié par blurryhunter, 23 mars 2012 - 08:35 .

[leondes1]

recentio wrote...

leondes1 wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Can someone explain in a sentence or two what exactly happened?
Been out of the loop for a while. Thanks.

Childs play got closed see here

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/ 

People went on a massive attack in various trends attacking Penny arcades people blaming them for causing the closure as they are co-founders of childs play. 

Gave my damned to stop it.

Oh ya forgot, some of our "members" decided to demand refunds from the chairty causing more raging and disasters.

It's been...... an emotional day to say the least.

Those people are more of a disgrace than that one guy who went to the FTC. Absolutely unacceptable, apalling behavior.

I agree, but this is the issue. DO NOT go out there and start attacking. If you want to take about it here civilally please do so. This is exactly what went wrong tonight. People started raging all over the place and this was one of the very reasons. It will do nothing to help us. There will always be people like this. I've seen much worse then people demanding money back from charity in my life and I'm only 26.

We have to refocus and just take a step back. A new charity will come, I'm sure of it. We just have to do this carefully.

[M12311]

maki0129 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Please, there are hundreds of other children's charities to donate to.  I have lost all trust in the people who run this one. 

Tycho and Gabe are both great people, who set up the largest gaming community charity existing today. The staff at Child's Play actively helped clear up the doubts donors of the re-take movement may have, and our effort was for the most part supported by the Child's Play people.

But they had to make the decision that they felt was best for their charity in the long run.

Tycho and Gabe are indeed great people, but Tycho's post on the PA site makes him look like a spineless coward. At the sign of the first pressure he starts blaming "indian givers" as the reason for cancelling the drive. Grow a pair.
 
Make no mistake, Tycho started this entire ****storm, and as long as his "indian givers" post is up on the PA site, he is spitting in the RTM movement's face.

[leondes1]

I'm also just going to post this here. I forgot who said this today..... way too much going on, but it was in a trend and I really liked this.

"We argue that the artistic integrity of the story and the artistic integrity of the current ending are mutually exclusive: They cannot co-exist."

Feel free to discuss

[leondes1]

M12311 wrote...

maki0129 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Please, there are hundreds of other children's charities to donate to.  I have lost all trust in the people who run this one. 

Tycho and Gabe are both great people, who set up the largest gaming community charity existing today. The staff at Child's Play actively helped clear up the doubts donors of the re-take movement may have, and our effort was for the most part supported by the Child's Play people.

But they had to make the decision that they felt was best for their charity in the long run.

Tycho and Gabe are indeed great people, but Tycho's post on the PA site makes him look like a spineless coward. At the sign of the first pressure he starts blaming "indian givers" as the reason for cancelling the drive. Grow a pair.
 
Make no mistake, Tycho started this entire ****storm, and as long as his "indian givers" post is up on the PA site, he is spitting in the RTM movement's face.

He wants to work you up directly, don't let him. It gives them more hits, more reasons to just keep talking about it. Let it go. We need to move on and look foward.

[SamFlagg]

M12311 wrote...

maki0129 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Please, there are hundreds of other children's charities to donate to.  I have lost all trust in the people who run this one. 

Tycho and Gabe are both great people, who set up the largest gaming community charity existing today. The staff at Child's Play actively helped clear up the doubts donors of the re-take movement may have, and our effort was for the most part supported by the Child's Play people.

But they had to make the decision that they felt was best for their charity in the long run.

Tycho and Gabe are indeed great people, but Tycho's post on the PA site makes him look like a spineless coward. At the sign of the first pressure he starts blaming "indian givers" as the reason for cancelling the drive. Grow a pair.
 
Make no mistake, Tycho started this entire ****storm, and as long as his "indian givers" post is up on the PA site, he is spitting in the RTM movement's face.

His job is to protect the charity.  Not to protect us.  Honestly, what Tycho should've done was simply remove the word "High" from his comment about paypal.

That being said, taking all of this as a personal attack is not going to help anybody.

The only thing I'd like to know is how much money did the people who were trying to get money back want back?  I'm sure we could've offset it.

[maki0129]

AxisEvolve wrote...

As long as they aren't the tryhards who keep writing the flamebait articles then I'm fine with them. 

Tycho and Gabe's feelings on our movement were never positive, sad to say.

That opinion is statedly, mostly motivated, by the precedent that fan outrage for other games has set in the past. And for the most part I was at first reluctant to join this movement for that very reason.

But first off, we need to remember that their good feelings was not what we set out to get, we set out to help children, and we did, with their help.

Second of all, we should try to stay civil and grounded in our discussion. Because that way, we can prove that for the most part, the hate, the vitriol, and the prejudices against this movement are unfounded and wrong.

We're passionate.

We're angry.

We're fans.

But we're (for the most part) civil and respecful in our discourse. Which could mean an entire paradigm shift in how the industries sees conflict between fans and game developers. And we should try our hardest to stay that way, and keeping in mind that we should be grateful for the chance the Child's Play people gave us to help the kids as much as we did, is a step towards that.

[leondes1]

maki0129 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

As long as they aren't the tryhards who keep writing the flamebait articles then I'm fine with them. 

Tycho and Gabe's feelings on our movement were never positive, sad to say.

That opinion is statedly, mostly motivated, by the precedent that fan outrage for other games has set in the past. And for the most part I was at first reluctant to join this movement for that very reason.

But first off, we need to remember that their good feelings was not what we set out to get, we set out to help children, and we did, with their help.

Second of all, we should try to stay civil and grounded in our discussion. Because that way, we can prove that for the most part, the hate, the vitriol, and the prejudices against this movement are unfounded and wrong.

We're passionate.

We're angry.

We're fans.

But we're (for the most part) civil and respecful in our discourse. Which could mean an entire paradigm shift in how the industries sees conflict between fans and game developers. And we should try our hardest to stay that way, and keeping in mind that we should be grateful for the chance the Child's Play people gave us to help the kids as much as we did, is a step towards that.

Remember this

Modifié par leondes1, 23 mars 2012 - 08:38 .

[Nyila]

leondes1 wrote...

RoninTX wrote...

Also it is hard to stay civil when it feels like the whole world is against you.
Nearly all reviewer sites ( mainly Gamespot, IGN and Penny Arcade) make personal attacks on the people who dislike the ending and asked Bioware if it could be changed.

Believe me, I'm more renegade, I am doing my damnest to stay calm and calm others. No one said this would be easy folks but we got to stick together. There are places that are on our side. If anything our civility must be a trademark showing that this is who we are. 

Yeah and resist the urge to answer posts from haters or people who are hellbent on causing trouble.

[M12311]

leondes1 wrote...

M12311 wrote...

maki0129 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Please, there are hundreds of other children's charities to donate to.  I have lost all trust in the people who run this one. 

Tycho and Gabe are both great people, who set up the largest gaming community charity existing today. The staff at Child's Play actively helped clear up the doubts donors of the re-take movement may have, and our effort was for the most part supported by the Child's Play people.

But they had to make the decision that they felt was best for their charity in the long run.

Tycho and Gabe are indeed great people, but Tycho's post on the PA site makes him look like a spineless coward. At the sign of the first pressure he starts blaming "indian givers" as the reason for cancelling the drive. Grow a pair.
 
Make no mistake, Tycho started this entire ****storm, and as long as his "indian givers" post is up on the PA site, he is spitting in the RTM movement's face.

He wants to work you up directly, don't let him. It gives them more hits, more reasons to just keep talking about it. Let it go. We need to move on and look foward.

You must be blind. There were half a dozen threads on this boards about this statement today, mods can barely keep up locking them. What you going to say when some media article picks Tycho's statement up. Bury your head in the sand? Us not talking about it doesn't change the fact that this is still PA's official stance on their site.

[clipped_wolf]

 I suddenly have to laugh bitterly.  If you get so worked up over this you want your money back from a charity you need bigger problems.  In this world inhabited by real, breathing people you have:Hospitalized terminal children, men and women dying slowly as their lungs turn to leather, men and women with brittle bones,   crusades against injustice....there are real battles against the world's problems and in a small way you can help make a real difference.
I will still come back to these forums and post my support, and hold out on paying for DLC until it is the product I want.

Modifié par clipped_wolf, 23 mars 2012 - 08:44 .

[leondes1]

Nyila wrote...

leondes1 wrote...

RoninTX wrote...

Also it is hard to stay civil when it feels like the whole world is against you.
Nearly all reviewer sites ( mainly Gamespot, IGN and Penny Arcade) make personal attacks on the people who dislike the ending and asked Bioware if it could be changed.

Believe me, I'm more renegade, I am doing my damnest to stay calm and calm others. No one said this would be easy folks but we got to stick together. There are places that are on our side. If anything our civility must be a trademark showing that this is who we are. 

Yeah and resist the urge to answer posts from haters or people who are hellbent on causing trouble.

Report it, and walk away, or if they keep doing it, keep reporting, and I know this may be the hardest thing to do but DO NOT RESPOND. You only feed them more.

Also, if you see retake people raging, pm them like I do and tell them to get out. 

[blurryhunter]

leondes1 wrote...

I'm also just going to post this here. I forgot who said this today..... way too much going on, but it was in a trend and I really liked this.

"We argue that the artistic integrity of the story and the artistic integrity of the current ending are mutually exclusive: They cannot co-exist."

Feel free to discuss

I think it's more like oil to water for me at this point. Like I put it to someone. It's like playing the third game in a series about Superman and finding out the ending is about Batman. Same universe, DC, but it doesn't make any sense.

That's how confused I was about it.

It is, as someone put it, like they didn't even play their own game. I mean, the part that really gets to me the most is the mass relays. It's even in the flipping Codex entries that when they go up, all life in the same system gets vaporized. The Joker part is almost as bad, but I can't even get to complaining there because if I follow the mass relay logic they'd be dead anyway!

Too many holes you need to fill in yourself. Big ones. It'd be like getting a painting where the bottom (assuming you're looking at it top to bottom) 10% is something completely difference, with blank spots, and never told a thing. You're literally left standing there thinking: That doesn't make sense... And you have to fill in the blanks with your imagination.

Integrity also implies consistancy.  "2. the state of being whole, entire, or undiminished"

I'm sorry but the ending sequences left the series anything but the above.