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[DarkSpiral]

I couldn't care less about Tycho's comment. He's entitled to his opinion, and entitled to cover his butt legally.

He also has built up a whole lot of geek cred. Just saying.

I'm still stuck on the...people...(I'm being polite) that had the classy (that was sarcasm) idea of requesting a refund from a charity.

News is going to be posted here if/when a new drive is made?

[Maugrim]

Whatever happened, for whatever reasons....it's done now. We have to move on, it doesn't matter who started it at this point. To keep bringing it up is just as bad for the movement as posting negatively.

Frankly I'm on board with Full Paragon they got their **** together and already reached out to Kids Need to Read , which is supported by geekdoms own Nathan Fillion, and been approved. They are also reaching out to the founders of this thread though nothing has been heard back yet AFAIK.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 23 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[AxisEvolve]

maki0129 wrote...
But we're (for the most part) civil and respecful in our discourse. Which could mean an entire paradigm shift in how the industries sees conflict between fans and game developers. And we should try our hardest to stay that way, and keeping in mind that we should be grateful for the chance the Child's Play people gave us to help the kids as much as we did, is a step towards that.

Fair enough. It's very difficult not to react when you are being provoked and discriminated against. I do not respect those people. Not even a little bit. But I, a common Mass Effect fan, will strive to be a better person than these... professionals. 

[maki0129]

M12311 wrote...

You must be blind. There were half a dozen threads on this boards about this statement today, mods can barely keep up locking them. What you going to say when some media article picks Tycho's statement up. Bury your head in the sand? Us not talking about it doesn't change the fact that this is still PA's official stance on their site.

We can't really do anything about that.

All we can do is sincerely thank Tycho and Gabe for allowing us to support the children under the retake banner, for as long as they did, and then move on.

We behave like grown ups and say that we accept and understand their decision, and apologize for those who tried to withdraw their donation.

Then we move on to the next thing.

This movement has made some serious waves because of the way it has conducted itself, in a very grown up and civil way.

If we don't continue that way, we'll prove all the flak we've been getting from much of the gaming press and sites right.

[leondes1]

M12311 wrote...

leondes1 wrote...

M12311 wrote...

maki0129 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Please, there are hundreds of other children's charities to donate to.  I have lost all trust in the people who run this one. 

Tycho and Gabe are both great people, who set up the largest gaming community charity existing today. The staff at Child's Play actively helped clear up the doubts donors of the re-take movement may have, and our effort was for the most part supported by the Child's Play people.

But they had to make the decision that they felt was best for their charity in the long run.

Tycho and Gabe are indeed great people, but Tycho's post on the PA site makes him look like a spineless coward. At the sign of the first pressure he starts blaming "indian givers" as the reason for cancelling the drive. Grow a pair.
 
Make no mistake, Tycho started this entire ****storm, and as long as his "indian givers" post is up on the PA site, he is spitting in the RTM movement's face.

He wants to work you up directly, don't let him. It gives them more hits, more reasons to just keep talking about it. Let it go. We need to move on and look foward.

You must be blind. There were half a dozen threads on this boards about this statement today, mods can barely keep up locking them. What you going to say when some media article picks Tycho's statement up. Bury your head in the sand? Us not talking about it doesn't change the fact that this is still PA's official stance on their site.

Seriously, you fighting about it does nothing to help us. I see the rage within you just by your words. If you want to do something constructive I say share these things with those outlets that support us. Show them what he posed what he's calling us. Forbes is excellent for calling out these things. However, do not just rage all over the place in anger, it will not help us and you'll likely get banned for doing it.

Use that rage to drive you but do it constructively.

Modifié par leondes1, 23 mars 2012 - 08:51 .

[Cheep Cheep Cheep]

I'm a little skeptical as to how many people REALLY demanded a refund. The RTM organizers were very upfront what the donations were for since the getgo. But ya know.. there is no shortage of stupid people on the internet, and I can't blame PA for acting in what they think is the best interest of the charity.

But whatever. It's not like people can't continue to donate to the charity if they want, or choose another charity to donate to if they're feeling altruistic.

[leondes1]

blurryhunter wrote...

leondes1 wrote...

I'm also just going to post this here. I forgot who said this today..... way too much going on, but it was in a trend and I really liked this.

"We argue that the artistic integrity of the story and the artistic integrity of the current ending are mutually exclusive: They cannot co-exist."

Feel free to discuss

I think it's more like oil to water for me at this point. Like I put it to someone. It's like playing the third game in a series about Superman and finding out the ending is about Batman. Same universe, DC, but it doesn't make any sense.

That's how confused I was about it.

It is, as someone put it, like they didn't even play their own game. I mean, the part that really gets to me the most is the mass relays. It's even in the flipping Codex entries that when they go up, all life in the same system gets vaporized. The Joker part is almost as bad, but I can't even get to complaining there because if I follow the mass relay logic they'd be dead anyway!

Too many holes you need to fill in yourself. Big ones. It'd be like getting a painting where the bottom (assuming you're looking at it top to bottom) 10% is something completely difference, with blank spots, and never told a thing. You're literally left standing there thinking: That doesn't make sense... And you have to fill in the blanks with your imagination.

Integrity also implies consistancy.  "2. the[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)"> ] [/color]of[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)"> ] [/color]whole,[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)"> ] [/color]or undiminished"

I'm sorry but the ending sequences left the series anything but the above.

I agree, it just never made sense to me. It was like they just picked out parts for things they cut and peaced them together and said HEY this looks throught provoking and good. 

Oh and I must say, a little off topic, but this whole art thing has drove me nuts. Games are interactive. However, its not just that, we have DLC content that activately changes games content. To me games are a form of maliable art and will continue to be. There is nothing "dangerous" about changing or altering the ending.

[maki0129]

Also, guys, can you stop it with the quote pyramids?

It's really easy to just delete the rest of the quotes and just leave the comment you're addressing.

[Nyila]

leondes1 wrote...

Report it, and walk away, or if they keep doing it, keep reporting, and I know this may be the hardest thing to do but DO NOT RESPOND. You only feed them more.

Also, if you see retake people raging, pm them like I do and tell them to get out.

A good coping strategy to stay civil and happy is to read some tweets:
twitter.com/#!/StarchildEntity
twitter.com/#!/Space_Magic
twitter.com/#!/HarbyTheReaper

Modifié par Nyila, 23 mars 2012 - 08:52 .

[leondes1]

maki0129 wrote...

Also, guys, can you stop it with the quote pyramids?

It's really easy to just delete the rest of the quotes and just leave the comment you're addressing.

Sorry will try, I'm amazed I'm still awake. I'm still getting used to posting here more and more. Been a long time since I posted before then ending stuff came about.

[leondes1]

[/quote]
A good coping strategy to stay civil and happy is to read some tweets:
twitter.com/#!/StarchildEntity
twitter.com/#!/Space_Magic
twitter.com/#!/HarbyTheReaper

[/quote]

LOL 
https://twitter.com/#!/TheReapersPR 

The Reapers PR department!

Modifié par leondes1, 23 mars 2012 - 08:55 .

[blurryhunter]

I'm going to put the whole definition in here. Tell me it matches what's being spouted because if this definition is anything to look at, the integrity, in artistic integrity, is seriously being used without proper understanding.

Integrity:

1. Adherence to moral and ethical princibles; soundness of moral character; honesty. 
2. The state of being whole, entire, or undiminished.
3. A sound, unimpaired, or perfect condition.

I bolded the parts I thought interesting.

Honesty: Nothing about that comes to light reading what was said prior to the game.

Whole/Entire: It could be argued that this could easily referr to the lack of any understandable bridging between what you see at the endings of Mass Effect 3 and what is come to be known as established fact in the whole of the universe the game rests in.

Thought it was interesting enough to put that in here.

[Nyila]

leondes1 wrote...


LOL 
https://twitter.com/#!/TheReapersPR 

The Reapers PR department!

Thanks!

[leondes1]

Interesting blurry

Part of me still clings on to that this is all some absolutely crazy joke. I just can't believe that bioware and all their people would say things about the games' endings not being a certain way, and having the rachni would matter in the finally battle. Yet........... it wasn't there, none of it mattered.

It dumbfounds me as to how this can truly be real. How can you mess up this badly? Overconfidence?

Modifié par leondes1, 23 mars 2012 - 09:01 .

[Nyila]

blurryhunter wrote...

I'm going to put the whole definition in here. Tell me it matches what's being spouted because if this definition is anything to look at, the integrity, in artistic integrity, is seriously being used without proper understanding.

Integrity:

1. Adherence to moral and ethical princibles; soundness of moral character; honesty. 
2. The state of being whole, entire, or undiminished.
3. A sound, unimpaired, or perfect condition.

I bolded the parts I thought interesting.

Honesty: Nothing about that comes to light reading what was said prior to the game.

Whole/Entire: It could be argued that this could easily referr to the lack of any understandable bridging between what you see at the endings of Mass Effect 3 and what is come to be known as established fact in the whole of the universe the game rests in.

Thought it was interesting enough to put that in here.

Are you talking about the Retake ME movement or the game endings?

[Jackal7713]

I know other people have said it but I would like to say it again.


Take a Breath and CHILL.

A bump in the road was bound to happen. It always does in movements. Look at Occupy Wall Street. They had the cops beating people and spraying mace.  Now we can always find another great charity to give to. Hopefully one not run by PA, since they seem to bash us and what we are fghting for.

Remember, there are alot of happy kids now because of our great community!

Thats the most important thing!

As for the poeple that wanted to get their money back from a charity, "expletive deleted" them.

We should refocus, find a new charity, AND HOLD THE LINE!

Modifié par Jackal7713, 23 mars 2012 - 09:02 .

[leondes1]

Nyila wrote...

leondes1 wrote...


LOL 
https://twitter.com/#!/TheReapersPR 

The Reapers PR department!

Thanks!

Found another

https://twitter.com/#!/harbyscollector 

[DrowVampyre]

Ok, here's a Mordin medal for people who were asking for it - it's big, but I can shrink it to whatever size you want it in. If you like it enough anyway, lol. Metals are a pain

[M12311]

maki0129 wrote...

M12311 wrote...

You must be blind. There were half a dozen threads on this boards about this statement today, mods can barely keep up locking them. What you going to say when some media article picks Tycho's statement up. Bury your head in the sand? Us not talking about it doesn't change the fact that this is still PA's official stance on their site.

We can't really do anything about that.

Sure you can. You too can email him and ask him to remove that entire paragraph and stick to his original "slippery slope stance". I can put up with the countless "indian giver" theads on this board. But if PA's statement gets picked up by the media, I will hold Tycho responsible for the damage it will do to RTM.

[Tazzmission]

Jackal7713 wrote...

I know other people have said it but I would like to say it again.


Take a Breath and CHILL.

A bump in the road was bound to happen. It always does in movements. Look at Occupy Wall Street. They had the cops beating people and spraying mace.  Now we can always find another great charity to give to. Hopefully one not run by PA, since they seem to bash us and what we are fghting for.

Remember, there are alot of happy kids now because of our great community!

Thats the most important thing!

As for the poeple that wanted to get their money back from a charity, "expletive deleted" them.

We should refocus, find a new charity, AND HOLD THE LINE!

and just like occupy wall street you guys arent clear on what you want and secondly you guys are far from a movment

i mean come on there was a guy on here a few days ago comparing your group to the civil rights and womens movment

dont you think thats a little overboard?

alot of you blindly doanted to something in wich you though bioware would make something for you am i right or am i wrong?

Modifié par Tazzmission, 23 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[maki0129]

Well, people. I'm off. Before I leave though, I'd just like to remind you all, we have accomplished something great, we should be proud, we should be grateful, and we should try to keep doing good where we can-

Remember, stay patient, stay focused, stay peaceful, stay strong.

Hold the line.

If you do, the tacos are on me.

Night!

[maki0129]

Tazzmission wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

I know other people have said it but I would like to say it again.


Take a Breath and CHILL.

A bump in the road was bound to happen. It always does in movements. Look at Occupy Wall Street. They had the cops beating people and spraying mace.  Now we can always find another great charity to give to. Hopefully one not run by PA, since they seem to bash us and what we are fghting for.

Remember, there are alot of happy kids now because of our great community!

Thats the most important thing!

As for the poeple that wanted to get their money back from a charity, "expletive deleted" them.

We should refocus, find a new charity, AND HOLD THE LINE!

and just like occupy wall street you guys arent clear on what you want and secondly you guys are far from a movment

alot of you blindly doanted to something in wich you though bioware would make something for you am i right or am i wrong?

You are wrong. Reported.

[leondes1]

Tazzmission wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

I know other people have said it but I would like to say it again.


Take a Breath and CHILL.

A bump in the road was bound to happen. It always does in movements. Look at Occupy Wall Street. They had the cops beating people and spraying mace.  Now we can always find another great charity to give to. Hopefully one not run by PA, since they seem to bash us and what we are fghting for.

Remember, there are alot of happy kids now because of our great community!

Thats the most important thing!

As for the poeple that wanted to get their money back from a charity, "expletive deleted" them.

We should refocus, find a new charity, AND HOLD THE LINE!

and just like occupy wall street you guys arent clear on what you want and secondly you guys are far from a movment

i mean come on there was a guy on here a few days ago comparing your group to the civil rights and womens movment

dont you think thats a little overboard?

alot of you blindly doanted to something in wich you though bioware would make something for you am i right or am i wrong?

Reported, get out.... now. Your flamebait is NOT welcomed here

Modifié par leondes1, 23 mars 2012 - 09:07 .

[Nyila]

maki0129 wrote...

Well, people. I'm off. Before I leave though, I'd just like to remind you all, we have accomplished something great, we should be proud, we should be grateful, and we should try to keep doing good where we can-

Remember, stay patient, stay focused, stay peaceful, stay strong.

Hold the line.

If you do, the tacos are on me.

Night!

I'll hold you to that! You owe me a taco now..

[blurryhunter]

leondes1 wrote...

Interesting blurry

Part of me still clings on to that this is all some absolutely crazy joke. I just can't believe that bioware and all their people would post things about the games endings not being a certain way, and having the rachni would matter in the finally battle. Yet........... it wasn't there, none of it mattered.

It dumbfounds me as to how this can truly be real. How can you mess up this badly? Overconfidence?

Perhaps. It could be a lot of things. Truthfully we'll never know unless they were to tell us, directly. Even then it would have to be taken at face value.

I love BioWare's products. I've never hated them. I loved most of everything there was to Mass Effect 3. That I can look back and have fond memories, even of the scenes in the end, tell me that BioWare didn't fail at the game. They failed at consistancy and sticking to their word. They failed at the very thing being shoved around in their defense. Integrity.

Even then, it is clearly possible they've had things planned from the start. I was on the fence about siding with the movement or sticking the neutral ground and seeing what BioWare came up with. In the end, you can only fight the beast you know and see, not the beast you suspect and don't see.

I took up arms in favor of the movement, because I decided that it didn't matter 'if' BioWare had these hidden ideas. What mattered is what was known. What was fact. They stated the endings would have the player driven consequences and actions two games in the making. They did not.

People mistake me for wanting a new ending. It isn't that simple. I want what they said they put in the product I purchased.

To the comment about what I was referring to with the integrity definition; I was referring to all the things said about how BioWare shouldn't give up its artistic integrity in favor of changing the endings. Based on that definition, I'd say they already did by going back on their statements.

Modifié par blurryhunter, 23 mars 2012 - 09:09 .