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[die-yng]

Jarys wrote...

 Honestly, I would suggest simply swapping charities. Imagine a thread like this with a chain of half a dozen charities in the ~$75,000 range. Now that's something to go crazy about.

See, that is what I'm talking about, forget about child's play and find other charities that want our money.

As for the morons who wanted their money back, there was nothing to misunderstand in the charity drive, look at yourself as the reason for thinking it was something different than what you thought it was.

Actually reading about it, before donating, might have helped.

[die-yng]

leondes1 wrote...

Keep calm, report, and do not feed.

Sorry, sometimes they really get to me, but you are right, we should stay above their inane chatter.

[Rosery99]

@Die-Yng

We've discounted other charities because they wouldn't work, not yet anyway, we need time to let this cool off, if we just jump to another we send the message that we can't stand on our own and get our messsage out. As I have said many times, I and the others are working on a new intiative right now, it' sgoing to be ready in a day or two so just be patient until then, we'll give you somewhere to focus that energy in again, promise.

[Annora]

die-yng wrote...

I didn't want my money back. I wanted the drive to go on and not stop because of some bloody fools.

Nice to let your opinion out, but I don't give a fig for it. You 10% minority.
I'm so sick of you people trolling around this forum and screaming into every topic how we are whiny brats and you just love the crappy ending.

Love it all you like, think of the Re Take movement what you want, but stop trolling, just because you know that only an insignificant minority shares your opinion.

Who is the whiny brat, if not the ones crying that they want the ending to stay the only ending and that BW is so weak for folding to our demands?

Sod off and take your unimportant, unneccessary opinion with you.

You didn't, but enough people did to cause problems for Child's Play. Switching to another charity isn't going to change this fact. People don't read, people are inherently stupid, and you end up with a giant PR nightmare like this.

I don't give a damn one way or the other. I didn't love the ending, but it was suitable enough. There was no way for that trilogy to end that would make anyone happy. It would have been deemed crappy one way or another, as both of the previous games were also said to have crappy endings. People don't like endings.

Will they make a new ending? I don't really care about the answer to that. What I do care about is disingenuous assertions that all dissenting opinions from yours are wrong. I care about broad sweeping generalizations abotu how ALL people hate the ending. I care about being insulted because I don't think the ending was the worst thing that's ever happened to the world in the history of humankind. I care about people using a charity to make themselves look better. I care that people who donated because of this cause are now demanding refunds.

Child's Play is something I care deeply about, and this entire situation has me enraged. This isn't some silly video game ending, or virtual characters, or gathering war assets. This is real ****ing life. There are real consequences for your actions. Unintended consequences, sure, but intent doesn't matter. You've taken your nerdrage and tried to channel it into something good, which ended up being something quite bad.

Take some responsibility.

[Stanley Woo]

die-yng wrote...

I didn't want my money back. I wanted the drive to go on and not stop because of some bloody fools.

So that more children could be helped, or so that more attention would be given to the Retake movement and there'd be a greater chance BioWare would listen and do something about it? If you answered the latter, then consider that you may, in fact, have been using the charity for your own cause, and as Tycho wrote, Child's Play is the cause.

The "bloody fools" were asking questions and raising concerns that may have put the organization's mission in jeopardy, risking future donations and their ability to do what they were created to do, which is to help sick kids in the hospital feel better with videogames and toys and books and stuff. So they kindly and respectfully asked for the (unsolicited) Retake fund drive to wind down, please and thank you.

Any other "mission" or "cause" or "reason" to support the charity is yours, not theirs.

And I will ask you to keep your name-calling, insults and "sensationalist hyperbole" to yourself when you disagree with someone. Thank you.

[Tyrzun]

This whole using a charity thing needs to stop!

The original idea of the charity was to show gamers care and break the mold of the entitled whiners that was directed at us.

People saying I won't give them money if they won't "officially" support us is paying for advertising and giving more and more evidence to the original accusation of saying gamers are entitled whiners.

Modifié par Tyrzun, 23 mars 2012 - 10:52 .

[die-yng]

Rosery99 wrote...

@Die-Yng

We've discounted other charities because they wouldn't work, not yet anyway, we need time to let this cool off, if we just jump to another we send the message that we can't stand on our own and get our messsage out. As I have said many times, I and the others are working on a new intiative right now, it' sgoing to be ready in a day or two so just be patient until then, we'll give you somewhere to focus that energy in again, promise.

Will do and will ignore the haters again from now on.

So sorry Anastassia, not going to read your last post or any after that.

Modifié par die-yng, 23 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[Rosery99]

Stanley Woo wrote...

die-yng wrote...

I didn't want my money back. I wanted the drive to go on and not stop because of some bloody fools.

So that more children could be helped, or so that more attention would be given to the Retake movement and there'd be a greater chance BioWare would listen and do something about it? If you answered the latter, then consider that you may, in fact, have been using the charity for your own cause, and as Tycho wrote, Child's Play is the cause.

The "bloody fools" were asking questions and raising concerns that may have put the organization's mission in jeopardy, risking future donations and their ability to do what they were created to do, which is to help sick kids in the hospital feel better with videogames and toys and books and stuff. So they kindly and respectfully asked for the (unsolicited) Retake fund drive to wind down, please and thank you.

Any other "mission" or "cause" or "reason" to support the charity is yours, not theirs.

And I will ask you to keep your name-calling, insults and "sensationalist hyperbole" to yourself when you disagree with someone. Thank you.

Please remember Mr.Woo that very few of us contiuned to donate after we had recivied Media Attention or even began donating simply out of an urge to urge Bioware to listen to us. As I am sure you've seen hundreds of pages ago, this made us feel good about ourselves and about gamers everywhere. We wanted to help kids, yes we were getting something from it, but please show me a company that donates to any charity publically that doesn't have it's own agenda. There usually well hidden and are almost always centered around PR or advertising, we simply didn't hide the fact that we also had a motive here beyond just helping. But we DID just want to help too. I know you understand that, I am just reposting it not only for you but for anyone else who might be watching.

[Tyrzun]

Rosery99 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

die-yng wrote...

I didn't want my money back. I wanted the drive to go on and not stop because of some bloody fools.

So that more children could be helped, or so that more attention would be given to the Retake movement and there'd be a greater chance BioWare would listen and do something about it? If you answered the latter, then consider that you may, in fact, have been using the charity for your own cause, and as Tycho wrote, Child's Play is the cause.

The "bloody fools" were asking questions and raising concerns that may have put the organization's mission in jeopardy, risking future donations and their ability to do what they were created to do, which is to help sick kids in the hospital feel better with videogames and toys and books and stuff. So they kindly and respectfully asked for the (unsolicited) Retake fund drive to wind down, please and thank you.

Any other "mission" or "cause" or "reason" to support the charity is yours, not theirs.

And I will ask you to keep your name-calling, insults and "sensationalist hyperbole" to yourself when you disagree with someone. Thank you.

Please remember Mr.Woo that very few of us contiuned to donate after we had recivied Media Attention or even began donating simply out of an urge to urge Bioware to listen to us. As I am sure you've seen hundreds of pages ago, this made us feel good about ourselves and about gamers everywhere. We wanted to help kids, yes we were getting something from it, but please show me a company that donates to any charity publically that doesn't have it's own agenda. There usually well hidden and are almost always centered around PR or advertising, we simply didn't hide the fact that we also had a motive here beyond just helping. But we DID just want to help too. I know you understand that, I am just reposting it not only for you but for anyone else who might be watching.

The argument of everyone eles does it will never ever fly ethically.  The thing about true giving is you do it without expecting anything in return, if you do... then you just bought something.  You didn't give a thing.  Many many people give every day.  They give their time at soup kitchen, homeless shelters, nursing homes, and many many other places.  Don't insult them by saying they do it to get "advertising".

Glad the kids got the $$$ though.

Modifié par Tyrzun, 23 mars 2012 - 11:00 .

[cchudoba002]

We should look into an alternate charity that is more concerned with their cause than bad PR. Just my two cents.

[Abirn]

There is no such thing as selfless charity, Everybody who gives to charity does so for personal gain. It doesn't matter if its to raise awareness for a goal, tax reasons, or just to make you feel better about your self. It's still a selfish thing.

[Rosery99]

@TyZrun

Those are private citzens, I said companies.

[die-yng]

Stanley Woo wrote...

die-yng wrote...

I didn't want my money back. I wanted the drive to go on and not stop because of some bloody fools.

So that more children could be helped, or so that more attention would be given to the Retake movement and there'd be a greater chance BioWare would listen and do something about it? If you answered the latter, then consider that you may, in fact, have been using the charity for your own cause, and as Tycho wrote, Child's Play is the cause.

The "bloody fools" were asking questions and raising concerns that may have put the organization's mission in jeopardy, risking future donations and their ability to do what they were created to do, which is to help sick kids in the hospital feel better with videogames and toys and books and stuff. So they kindly and respectfully asked for the (unsolicited) Retake fund drive to wind down, please and thank you.

Any other "mission" or "cause" or "reason" to support the charity is yours, not theirs.

And I will ask you to keep your name-calling, insults and "sensationalist hyperbole" to yourself when you disagree with someone. Thank you.

Naturally both.

That is your opinion about it, it's not worth more than mine. It was never stated by any of us, that Child's play had any affiliation with us except for getting the donations.
They have the right to their decision, but surely I have the right to express my opinion about it and disagree with their actions?

And she started it by telling me to "go soak your head"

I also didn't know there was a rule against hyperbole on these boards.
I think you are taking moderating a bit too far, since I didn't resort to any name calling.
Since when is 10% minority or telling someone his opinion is insignificant name calling?

Anything else wasn't directed at any person but a loose, unspecified group of people who wanted the money they gave to a charity back. Which is something you should be ashamed of, very ashamed.
Sorry if calling those (again unspecified) people morons or fools went to far.
Personally I think it is right to call a group killing people, murderers and people who do foolish things, fools.
As long as I'm not directing that at a specific person or 10-20 specific persons or organisations, I didn't know this would be against the board regulations.

Would for example calling drug dealers morons also be seen as acting against the board regulations?
That's no joke, there are some things I do have very clear opinions about and if I can't call a terrorist or fascist moron, it's better I know that now, instead of doing it wrong in the future.

Modifié par die-yng, 23 mars 2012 - 11:33 .

[Tyrzun]

Rosery99 wrote...

@TyZrun

Those are private citzens, I said companies.

We are private citizens and not a company.

You are right though most people are selfish and self centered and companies are run by people, so it's only fair to assume most companies are like that.

Wanting to be like them is my issue.  No thanks.

[die-yng]

I did call her troll, because that is an expression used for people butting into a thread and starting an argument, just for the sake of it.

[Tyrzun]

Abirn wrote...

There is no such thing as selfless charity, Everybody who gives to charity does so for personal gain. It doesn't matter if its to raise awareness for a goal, tax reasons, or just to make you feel better about your self. It's still a selfish thing.

You can believe whatever you want, and believe everyone is like you but they aren't.

People often die for others.

Ask any soldier that's seen real battle.  Buddies take bullets for buddies all the time.  The "dying" person got nothing out of it because they died instantly.

Modifié par Tyrzun, 23 mars 2012 - 11:06 .

[Annora]

Rosery99 wrote...

Please remember Mr.Woo that very few of us contiuned to donate after we had recivied Media Attention or even began donating simply out of an urge to urge Bioware to listen to us. As I am sure you've seen hundreds of pages ago, this made us feel good about ourselves and about gamers everywhere. We wanted to help kids, yes we were getting something from it, but please show me a company that donates to any charity publically that doesn't have it's own agenda. There usually well hidden and are almost always centered around PR or advertising, we simply didn't hide the fact that we also had a motive here beyond just helping. But we DID just want to help too. I know you understand that, I am just reposting it not only for you but for anyone else who might be watching.

Which is all well and good, except the entire situation has everyone coming out like losers. There are no winners here. BioWare loses one way or the other, Child's Play loses because people have no reading comprehension, and all of the fans regardless of which side of the fence they're on, lose.

You look like entitled whiners now more than ever not because you donated to charity, but because you donated to charity to bring awareness to how unhappy you were at the Mass Effect endings. And now some of those who donated are demanding refunds because they wanted their money to go to getting a new Mass Effect ending, not helping sick and dying children during their horrible ordeals in hospitals. No way you slice it comes out looking positive.

Child's Play should be the only cause for your generosity, not an ulterior motive to get BioWare to bow to your demands.

As I said before, I don't care about the outcome of this movement. I care about the mudslinging that you've dragged a wonderful charity into.

[Sentr0]

[not appreciated]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 23 mars 2012 - 11:22 .

[rocketboy90]

Abirn wrote...

There is no such thing as selfless charity, Everybody who gives to charity does so for personal gain. It doesn't matter if its to raise awareness for a goal, tax reasons, or just to make you feel better about your self. It's still a selfish thing.

There is, but its extremely rare. From what I heard someone donated 10k to the original retake me3 charity anonymously. And Ive seen it happen. Its one in 100s of thousands of cases, but there are cases like that.

If you look at things from a standpoint, where "youre doing it for yourself, so its selfish" our whole lives and every single action is selfish, because its to reach a goal that you set for yourself or make yourself feel better.

[ericjdev]

We did a good thing, it ended messy, and we need to look forward.

[Rosery99]

@Tyrzun

Yes, we are private citzens. But we were acting as a single unified force, our "Movement" had taken on the same aspects of a company, we have different branches, different organizational tiers, in a sense we are moving as a single large machine, thus it makes sense that we would use the same tactics as the company we are urging to change things. But it's a moot point, many people including myself doubted the charity would ever get Bioware to change anything, in fact I didnt want it to MAKE them do anything. All the Charity was meant to do was channel our negativity into something good and help some kids. We did that. We had wanted to raise 100k, we couldn't, it sucks but oh well. Just saying lots of us donated cause it was right and had no delusions of it doing anything to Bioware. I'm pretty sure Snajones kids donation, Im pretty sure Eirilith's food budget donations didn't think they were paying for new endings. Please don't paint everyone with the same brush, if you do you're as bad as Colin at IGN.

Holding The Line,
~R

[die-yng]

Tyrzun wrote...

Abirn wrote...

There is no such thing as selfless charity, Everybody who gives to charity does so for personal gain. It doesn't matter if its to raise awareness for a goal, tax reasons, or just to make you feel better about your self. It's still a selfish thing.

You can believe whatever you want, and believe everyone is like you but they aren't.

People often die for others.

Ask any soldier that's seen real battle.  Buddies take bullets for buddies all the time.  The "dying" person got nothing out of it because they died instantly.

Don't you think your point is a little off? We're taking about donating here and not about sacrificing your live for another.

And there can be many selfish reasons for dying, even as a soldier.

[Abirn]

rocketboy90 wrote...

Abirn wrote...

There is no such thing as selfless charity, Everybody who gives to charity does so for personal gain. It doesn't matter if its to raise awareness for a goal, tax reasons, or just to make you feel better about your self. It's still a selfish thing.

There is, but its extremely rare. From what I heard someone donated 10k to the original retake me3 charity anonymously. And Ive seen it happen. Its one in 100s of thousands of cases, but there are cases like that.

If you look at things from a standpoint, where "youre doing it for yourself, so its selfish" our whole lives and every single action is selfish, because its to reach a goal that you set for yourself or make yourself feel better.

But that person got a sense of self satisfaction even if done anonymously.  That's still a selfish goal.  Yes every action we take in life is selfish.  That is the very nature of evolution.  

[die-yng]

rocketboy90 wrote...

Abirn wrote...

There is no such thing as selfless charity, Everybody who gives to charity does so for personal gain. It doesn't matter if its to raise awareness for a goal, tax reasons, or just to make you feel better about your self. It's still a selfish thing.

There is, but its extremely rare. From what I heard someone donated 10k to the original retake me3 charity anonymously. And Ive seen it happen. Its one in 100s of thousands of cases, but there are cases like that.

If you look at things from a standpoint, where "youre doing it for yourself, so its selfish" our whole lives and every single action is selfish, because its to reach a goal that you set for yourself or make yourself feel better.

This.

Was it so wrong to want to turn our frustration about the ending into something positive by donating? Surely not.

[Rosery99]

Sentr0 wrote...

how long before even this thread is closed?

As Mr.Woo stated earlier, he will lock this thread once we have informed him we are moving to a different named thread and not before, he has been kind enough to give us sometime to organize and move on and we thank him for this.

To everyone else here despite my own stupid argument a moment ago, just let them think what they want. We know we did something good, something amazing, whatever reasons anyone had for donating, Childs Play got 80 thousand dollars, thats not bad no matter what. A lot of kids will be happy and we have not damaged there reputation at all, I imagine come december there donations will still be above 2 million dollars. If not more.

Holding The Line,
~R