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[Reptilian Rob]

txmn1016 wrote...

Oh my god, I must be the only Xbox player here

Reptilian Rob.

Add me!

[Narvask]

I think it's about time to stop the donating as the point has been made. Sadly some people just can't read or want to make trouble as it's the only way they can get notice, the more press it gets the more fools want to ruin it. I gave to help not only show my anger at the rubbish ending, but also to help Child's Play, I just hope Bioware heard it.

[Tyrzun]

Rosery99 wrote...

@Tyrzun

Yes, we are private citzens. But we were acting as a single unified force, our "Movement" had taken on the same aspects of a company, we have different branches, different organizational tiers, in a sense we are moving as a single large machine, thus it makes sense that we would use the same tactics as the company we are urging to change things. But it's a moot point, many people including myself doubted the charity would ever get Bioware to change anything, in fact I didnt want it to MAKE them do anything. All the Charity was meant to do was channel our negativity into something good and help some kids. We did that. We had wanted to raise 100k, we couldn't, it sucks but oh well. Just saying lots of us donated cause it was right and had no delusions of it doing anything to Bioware. I'm pretty sure Snajones kids donation, Im pretty sure Eirilith's food budget donations didn't think they were paying for new endings. Please don't paint everyone with the same brush, if you do you're as bad as Colin at IGN.

Holding The Line,
~R

I never painted everyone as anything.  MANY people that gave don't want their money back and understand what CP did.  However, others have flat out told you they did it for other reasons.  <----  Because of people like that, being associated with any charity is a bad idea.

You're previous post was about other companies getting "advertising" out of donating and that's all you did or we did.  We got something out if like companies.  So, you grouped yourself into the I give, but I "get something" out of it group.  I didn't.  Which is why I said what I said to you.

A BETTER IDEA if you really want people to focus on directing their anger at doing some good is just to do good is as follows.

Just list a bunch of worth charitiys in your post and say you guys should go donate instead of being angry.  All of these charities need your help.  <------  You've yet to do that.  IF you did, then it is clear to everyone you are giving to give and not trying to get something out of it.  Then and only then are you free of the "I only give if I get" people expecting support from the charities.

PS.  If you don't create a thread like that I will.  We'll see how many people are interested in giving without getting anything.

Modifié par Tyrzun, 23 mars 2012 - 11:16 .

[SgtGlory]

As I saw it, the charity drive's intended purpose was a positive outlet to
redirect negative feelings into positive action. Not as a flag wave
for our "motive", although that's what it wound up being construed as, and
may even have turned into.

Regardless, I'll never be sorry I gave my money to Child's Play. Ever.

[leondes1]

As I said yesterday, guys, calm down. Anastassia was reported. Please do not feed the troll posts. I understand it is hard but RESIST.

This is the same thing that happened before, relax, take a break, and step back.

Remain civil, we are better then this.

Remember, if you see trolling, name calling, ect report it. You can pm Stanley as well. Do not FEED into it.

[Sentr0]

SgtGlory wrote...

As I saw it, the charity drive's intended purpose was a positive outlet to
redirect negative feelings into positive action. Not as a flag wave
for our "motive", although that's what it wound up being construed as, and
may even have turned into.

Regardless, I'll never be sorry I gave my money to Child's Play. Ever.

Me neither, especially because i didnt gave any

[Qutayba]

Stanley Woo wrote...

die-yng wrote...

I didn't want my money back. I wanted the drive to go on and not stop because of some bloody fools.

So that more children could be helped, or so that more attention would be given to the Retake movement and there'd be a greater chance BioWare would listen and do something about it? If you answered the latter, then consider that you may, in fact, have been using the charity for your own cause, and as Tycho wrote, Child's Play is the cause.

The "bloody fools" were asking questions and raising concerns that may have put the organization's mission in jeopardy, risking future donations and their ability to do what they were created to do, which is to help sick kids in the hospital feel better with videogames and toys and books and stuff. So they kindly and respectfully asked for the (unsolicited) Retake fund drive to wind down, please and thank you.

Any other "mission" or "cause" or "reason" to support the charity is yours, not theirs.

And I will ask you to keep your name-calling, insults and "sensationalist hyperbole" to yourself when you disagree with someone. Thank you.

People donated for many, many different reasons, and I'm somewhat taken aback by the hostility the charity drive seems to have generated.  I donated and wanted to draw attention to the charity drive because I didn't like the more destructive tactics employed by some.  For me, anyway, it wasn't about emotionally blackmailing BioWare (do things really work that way, anyway?), but about taking a stand that helping people is a better way to channel your energy than ratings bombs and Twitter harassment.  I'm glad I donated and would do it again - and will probably donate to them again in the future.  No matter what BioWare decided to do about the game, I think they missed an opportunity to help repair their relationship with their fans.

I think the critiques people made of the endings stand on their own two feet and don't need tactics to bolster them up.  I think BioWare is lucky to have such passionate fans and to have so many that tried valiantly to keep the conversation civil and constructive in the midst of raging hysteria.  That obviously did not stop all the negative tactics, but an awful lot of us have tried and keep trying to stand against that.

I do, however, respect Child's Play and their reasons for shutting it down.  The logistical nightmare it was causing for their small staff is reason enough.

[Stanley Woo]

Again, you guys done a good thing for the kids. You will always have that.

[txmn1016]

"A BETTER IDEA if you really want people to focus on directing their anger at doing some good is just to do good is as follows."

You know what Tyrzune? That's a really nice sentiment. But individuals rarely just get together and donate. They need something to get behind that inspires them. I'm not saying this thing was perfect. Some people obviously misinterpreted where the funds were going, or what they would amount to (a change in the ending). But the truth is, most people involved didn't have many misconceptions about what they were doing or why. The organization was centered around a petition. A request. There was NEVER any promise that people would be guaranteed something for donating their time and funds. Read the Chipin page. Read the OP of this thread. You may find this whole thing a little morally ambiguous (although it seems like you find it more morally reprehensible), but this is how large sums of money get donated to good causes. It's facts of life. It's how the world works. Individuals don't get together on a whim and donate 80K. Like minded people are brought together because they share a common experience/feeling. Most people saw this as a cathartic release for all the rage and hurt over the endings. I know I did. So yeah. Whether we get a change in the endings, or just got to feel better, we got something out of it. I don't see how that diminishes the the enormity of the contribution. And I certainly don't see how that makes anyone who donated a bad person.
That being said. I've personally spoken with individuals who felt they needed to request their donations back. They all had valid reasons, mostly having to do with not agreeing with CPs decision as a charity. It's not the decision I (or many others) would make, but there it is. I don't know the number of people who have actually requested their funds back, but I can count the people who came forward on half a hand. That's not very many when you consider that about 4K people donated.


Edit:  On the subject of doing another donation, not in the name of the peition--this is already being done by 'Full Paragon'.  

Modifié par txmn1016, 23 mars 2012 - 11:29 .

[txmn1016]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Again, you guys done a good thing for the kids. You will always have that.

That was the plan, man.  Thanks again for all the kind words.

[DazenCobalt17]

Tyrzun wrote...

Abirn wrote...

There is no such thing as selfless charity, Everybody who gives to charity does so for personal gain. It doesn't matter if its to raise awareness for a goal, tax reasons, or just to make you feel better about your self. It's still a selfish thing.

You can believe whatever you want, and believe everyone is like you but they aren't.

People often die for others.

Ask any soldier that's seen real battle.  Buddies take bullets for buddies all the time.  The "dying" person got nothing out of it because they died instantly.

I kinda have to disagree with you there.  In your example natually they didnt want their buddy to get hurt.  They would have rather died than see that.  they do get something out of it and it comes down to what they want.  I guess I am sorta playing devil's advocate here but no harm intended

[leondes1]

Thanks again Stanley, again you are a voice of reason.

[Qutayba]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Again, you guys done a good thing for the kids. You will always have that.

Thanks, Stanley.  Thanks for staying classy.

[die-yng]

I honestly don't see why I should feel the need to explain myself, because I wanted to both express my opinion and do something good while doing it.

I was happy that the movement got press, but that wasn't the intention from the start.

It is a pity that it had to end this way and that people actually requested their money back, something like that shouldn't even be possible in my opinion.

I think it is really evil, that some people try to turn this around now and change some good we wanted to do into nothing but base movements.

Yes, there is a personal stake in donating to a charity, there almost always is, even if you just do it to have a clear conscience, but if you do it with the intention of helping someone, than you still do something good.

As for donating without a connection to the movement, I stated before, that I have organizations I already donate to and I prefer to choose those myself.
And I really can't see anything wrong with that. If I had enough money to just spend a 100 Dollars more, I'd probably do it, but since money is almost always tight, I have to choose carefully.

Modifié par die-yng, 23 mars 2012 - 11:44 .

[txmn1016]

DazenCobalt17 wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

Abirn wrote...

There is no such thing as selfless charity, Everybody who gives to charity does so for personal gain. It doesn't matter if its to raise awareness for a goal, tax reasons, or just to make you feel better about your self. It's still a selfish thing.

You can believe whatever you want, and believe everyone is like you but they aren't.

People often die for others.

Ask any soldier that's seen real battle.  Buddies take bullets for buddies all the time.  The "dying" person got nothing out of it because they died instantly.

I kinda have to disagree with you there.  In your example natually they didnt want their buddy to get hurt.  They would have rather died than see that.  they do get something out of it and it comes down to what they want.  I guess I am sorta playing devil's advocate here but no harm intended

No, no.  I get it too.  You're still getting some kind of fullfillment out of it.  Which is exactly what we all got out of this experience.

[txmn1016]

die-yng wrote...

I honestly don't see why I should feel the need to explain myself, because I wanted to both express my opinion and do something good while doing it.

I was happy that the movement got press, but that wasn't the intention from the start.

It is a pity that it had to end this way and that people actually requested their money back, something like that shouldn't even be possible in my opinion.

I think it is really evil, that some people try to turn this around now and change some good we wanted to do into nothing but base movements.

Yes, there is a personal stake in donating to a charity, there almost always is, even if you just do it to have a clear conscience, but if you do it with the intention of helping someone, than you still do something good.

As for donating without a connection to the movement, I stated before, that I have organizations I already donate to and I prefer to choose those myself.
And I really can't see anything wrong with that. If I had enough money to just spend a 100 Dollars more, I'd probably do it, but since money is almost always tight, I have to choose carefully.

I do this too.  I think most people intimately connected to the charity endeavor do.  But like I said, your average joe isn't going to be motivated to go choose a charity and donate on a whim.  Which is why 80K worth of donations from mostly average joes was never a bad thing in my mind. 

[LethesDeep]

Stanley Woo wrote...

die-yng wrote...

I didn't want my money back. I wanted the drive to go on and not stop because of some bloody fools.

So that more children could be helped, or so that more attention would be given to the Retake movement and there'd be a greater chance BioWare would listen and do something about it? If you answered the latter, then consider that you may, in fact, have been using the charity for your own cause, and as Tycho wrote, Child's Play is the cause.

The whole point of the RetakeME3 movement donating to Child's Play was so that even if we failed in our goal, something good came out of it all. If we were going to use the charity for our own cause it would have popped up somewhere in the news articles from BBC, Fox News, Forbes or even the gaming newssites. Yet not once has it been a part of our arsenal against your company. We have stuck to using pre-release dev quotes along with arguments about the plotholes, lore inconsistencies, lack of differing endings, and undermining of player choice (a huge basis of the series) as our weapons. The only people that have used the drive an any way in this "fight" (openly at least) has been Kotaku.

[Xavier Hawk]

I for one congratulate all who donated. I feel it was a very mature way to voice a protest whilst doing some good. Many these days rant and rave and cast insults but achieve very little. Those who donated can say whether or not they achieve the goal of getting alternate ending sthey most certainly did raise the profile of the issue and even if they loose there efforts will still have benefitted the charity. Also I'd like to say well done to organiser, you've done a good thing here and I hope it will be long remembered by one and all.

As a final word I'd also ask all sides to be careful how they treat this. Some are upset that the charirty asked for it to be stopped but honestly that's there choice and the people behind it have to ensure they do what is best for the chairty in the long term. Others seek to attach themselves to a new chairty for this cause. Honestly I wouldn't go there the point has been made doing it again would likely meet with negative reactions and finger pointing that it's just hijacking charities for our own cause. Lastly Bioware and EA should also be careful what they say and how they say it as some are getting the impression that you're upset a charity drive was done in the first place and i've even seen rumblings of conspiracy theroys that you put pressure on the charity to shut it down (extremeley unlikely though).

[txmn1016]

Xavier Hawk wrote...

I for one congratulate all who donated. I feel it was a very mature way to voice a protest whilst doing some good. Many these days rant and rave and cast insults but achieve very little. Those who donated can say whether or not they achieve the goal of getting alternate ending sthey most certainly did raise the profile of the issue and even if they loose there efforts will still have benefitted the charity. Also I'd like to say well done to organiser, you've done a good thing here and I hope it will be long remembered by one and all.

As a final word I'd also ask all sides to be careful how they treat this. Some are upset that the charirty asked for it to be stopped but honestly that's there choice and the people behind it have to ensure they do what is best for the chairty in the long term. Others seek to attach themselves to a new chairty for this cause. Honestly I wouldn't go there the point has been made doing it again would likely meet with negative reactions and finger pointing that it's just hijacking charities for our own cause. Lastly Bioware and EA should also be careful what they say and how they say it as some are getting the impression that you're upset a charity drive was done in the first place and i've even seen rumblings of conspiracy theroys that you put pressure on the charity to shut it down (extremeley unlikely though).

Nicely said.  And it has been a pleasure, friend.

[Nightfire78]

Honestly, I have no clue what's going on here at the moment. We found ourselves feeling like crap at the end of ME3, we went to the forums and found like-minded people. We decided that we could make a positive difference given our numbers and the sheer amount of frustrated energy that was waiting to go somewhere....

And we chose to focus this energy on a charity and convert it into money for their cause.

I cannot for the life of me see how this as a bad thing.
In high school, we had a kid commit suicide and people were sad/confused/frustrated. The school started a charity drive for a leukemia charity that involved us all making some trinkets and stuff and/or donating the spare change from our lunch money in a jar in the cafeteria. The charity had nothing to do thematically with the suicide at all, but it gave us something to *do* with our confused energies, and it was very successful and yes, the school got a lot of publicity for it, so did the charity.
Am I supposed to feel guilty for having invested effort into that donation drive just because it was also about making me and everyone else feel a bit better? We donated in the name of the boy who died, I don't know if he would have been in any way interested in the charity. Perhaps we should feel bad about doing that too?

I feel like a bunch of unrelated crap is being mixed together.
Apparently there are people who want their money back. The few (and I say few because It's been maybe 3 people) I have seen say anything to this effect here have said that they want to give it to another charity instead because they are not convinced that CP has the kids best interest at heart. Ok, well, what are you gonna do? It's a free country.

This, however, has NOTHING to do with why the donation drive was started or stopped or whether or not Bioware does jack sh**.

There is nothing wrong with, nor has there ever been, somebody deciding to turn a negative into a positive by giving to those less fortunate and it boggles my mind how this thread is turning into some kind of diatribe on how our motives weren't "pure enough" or something to donate.
Quite frankly, I don't think the kids who benefit from our donations (be it to CP or to KNR or to whatever others that will be organized or suggested) give a rat's behind about how pure the motivations were of the people the money came from to make their life better. And frankly, I don't see how the motivation can be any purer than "we want to know something good has come out of this, no matter what we personally get or do not get".

If there are people who for some bizarre reason thought that they were "buying an ending" than that's too bad, but I don't see how it means the charity drive was bad or evil because some <removed the word I was going to use> people can't be bothered to read the text directly next to the "donate" button that tells you what you're doing... namely donating to a charity that helps hospitalized kids. We might as well stop all charities flat out if we have to guard the poor people who just do sh** without knowing what they're doing.

And for those making a big deal about how there was a counter for the donations and we could have all donated seperately...
1. half of us didn't even know CP existed, so they would have never ever gotten anything from us because no one can donate to something they don't know is there
2. it is a well-known, not at all mysterious, totally normal psychological phenomenon/fact that people will feel more like they make a difference if they see a big total.
None of us could have afforded donating 80k, and we all know that we donated small amounts, but 90% of people have problems seeing their donations as effective because "it's only 10 bucks, what's that gonna do?"; it's very different if you donate your 10 bucks and see that it, in combination with people you have encouraged to donate or who you hang out with etc., turns into such a huge sum. We all, theoretically, know that that would happen also without the counter, but people tend to be visual. It's different when you see it. When you see it, it's real. Why do you think telethons have that big-arse counter in your face the whole time? They know it motivates people. You tend to give more if you see a big effect, even if you know you're just a small part of it.

I'm sorry for the long post, but the turn this thread seems to be taking at the moment just baffles me.

Frankly, I think discouraging people from wanting to do good out of a bad situation and putting them down for donating to a charity in a group is almost as bad as taking your money back, though at least those people (at least all the 3 I saw) plan to re-donate, the ones putting people down for donating are actively making people not want to care or donate further.

For crying out loud people, just stop and take a breath. A charity got a lot of money, we know good has come out of this movement no matter what happens regarding the game. The confused people who didn't bother reading are, quite frankly, not our responsibility and it does no good for people to come in here and berate us for them because I can assure you that no one who is and has been in this thread was unaware of CP being a charity. The people who want to reassign their money to another charity because they no longer trust the CP organization apparently exist, but are clearly not hanging out here anymore and were very few in here to begin with, so yelling at us for something we have no control over and are not personally doing also has very little point or effect.

CP has not taken any damage form this, as a matter of fact they've gained a lot of money (even if somebody or other takes some back). I know it's generally frowned upon on internet forums to look at the good rather than the bad, but I would very much appreciate it if this thread could get back to doing just that.

The bottom line is, win or lose on the ending issue, we have made sure the CP kids win. That's important, the rest is just there for better or worse.

now back to your regularly scheduled posting.

Be positive and hold the line!

[SgtGlory]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Again, you guys done a good thing for the kids. You will always have that.

Thanks for that Mr.Woo, my sentiments exactly.

Even if the footnote it may get in gaming history circles winds up painting
this and everyone involved as hell-spawned monsters, there'll be a kid somewhere reading 
a book or playing a DS that we helped put in their hands. I know that, and that's
enough for me.

It's done, and we all move on wiser.

[die-yng]

Xavier Hawk wrote...

I for one congratulate all who donated. I feel it was a very mature way to voice a protest whilst doing some good. Many these days rant and rave and cast insults but achieve very little. Those who donated can say whether or not they achieve the goal of getting alternate ending sthey most certainly did raise the profile of the issue and even if they loose there efforts will still have benefitted the charity. Also I'd like to say well done to organiser, you've done a good thing here and I hope it will be long remembered by one and all.

As a final word I'd also ask all sides to be careful how they treat this. Some are upset that the charirty asked for it to be stopped but honestly that's there choice and the people behind it have to ensure they do what is best for the chairty in the long term. Others seek to attach themselves to a new chairty for this cause. Honestly I wouldn't go there the point has been made doing it again would likely meet with negative reactions and finger pointing that it's just hijacking charities for our own cause. Lastly Bioware and EA should also be careful what they say and how they say it as some are getting the impression that you're upset a charity drive was done in the first place and i've even seen rumblings of conspiracy theroys that you put pressure on the charity to shut it down (extremeley unlikely though).

I wouldn't think of BIOWARE putting pressure on any charity, as for others...

I agree that it might be seen like you say, but it is a sad thing if people can't see the positive side of this anymore.

I didn't want to choose another charity because of the attention it would get, but because the Movement is still going and it still would have been great to do something for a good cause with it.

Isn't it a shame, if we as a group, have to decide against supporting another charity, because it might actually influence our reputation in a negative way.

That's crazy in my opinion, even though it might be true.

[txmn1016]

Well I'm glad to see it's all puppies and ice cream around here again.

Hold the line, friends.

[die-yng]

Nightfire78 wrote...

Honestly, I have no clue what's going on here at the moment. We found ourselves feeling like crap at the end of ME3, we went to the forums and found like-minded people. We decided that we could make a positive difference given our numbers and the sheer amount of frustrated energy that was waiting to go somewhere....

And we chose to focus this energy on a charity and convert it into money for their cause.

I cannot for the life of me see how this as a bad thing.
In high school, we had a kid commit suicide and people were sad/confused/frustrated. The school started a charity drive for a leukemia charity that involved us all making some trinkets and stuff and/or donating the spare change from our lunch money in a jar in the cafeteria. The charity had nothing to do thematically with the suicide at all, but it gave us something to *do* with our confused energies, and it was very successful and yes, the school got a lot of publicity for it, so did the charity.
Am I supposed to feel guilty for having invested effort into that donation drive just because it was also about making me and everyone else feel a bit better? We donated in the name of the boy who died, I don't know if he would have been in any way interested in the charity. Perhaps we should feel bad about doing that too?

I feel like a bunch of unrelated crap is being mixed together.
Apparently there are people who want their money back. The few (and I say few because It's been maybe 3 people) I have seen say anything to this effect here have said that they want to give it to another charity instead because they are not convinced that CP has the kids best interest at heart. Ok, well, what are you gonna do? It's a free country.

This, however, has NOTHING to do with why the donation drive was started or stopped or whether or not Bioware does jack sh**.

There is nothing wrong with, nor has there ever been, somebody deciding to turn a negative into a positive by giving to those less fortunate and it boggles my mind how this thread is turning into some kind of diatribe on how our motives weren't "pure enough" or something to donate.
Quite frankly, I don't think the kids who benefit from our donations (be it to CP or to KNR or to whatever others that will be organized or suggested) give a rat's behind about how pure the motivations were of the people the money came from to make their life better. And frankly, I don't see how the motivation can be any purer than "we want to know something good has come out of this, no matter what we personally get or do not get".

If there are people who for some bizarre reason thought that they were "buying an ending" than that's too bad, but I don't see how it means the charity drive was bad or evil because some <removed the word I was going to use> people can't be bothered to read the text directly next to the "donate" button that tells you what you're doing... namely donating to a charity that helps hospitalized kids. We might as well stop all charities flat out if we have to guard the poor people who just do sh** without knowing what they're doing.

And for those making a big deal about how there was a counter for the donations and we could have all donated seperately...
1. half of us didn't even know CP existed, so they would have never ever gotten anything from us because no one can donate to something they don't know is there
2. it is a well-known, not at all mysterious, totally normal psychological phenomenon/fact that people will feel more like they make a difference if they see a big total.
None of us could have afforded donating 80k, and we all know that we donated small amounts, but 90% of people have problems seeing their donations as effective because "it's only 10 bucks, what's that gonna do?"; it's very different if you donate your 10 bucks and see that it, in combination with people you have encouraged to donate or who you hang out with etc., turns into such a huge sum. We all, theoretically, know that that would happen also without the counter, but people tend to be visual. It's different when you see it. When you see it, it's real. Why do you think telethons have that big-arse counter in your face the whole time? They know it motivates people. You tend to give more if you see a big effect, even if you know you're just a small part of it.

I'm sorry for the long post, but the turn this thread seems to be taking at the moment just baffles me.

Frankly, I think discouraging people from wanting to do good out of a bad situation and putting them down for donating to a charity in a group is almost as bad as taking your money back, though at least those people (at least all the 3 I saw) plan to re-donate, the ones putting people down for donating are actively making people not want to care or donate further.

For crying out loud people, just stop and take a breath. A charity got a lot of money, we know good has come out of this movement no matter what happens regarding the game. The confused people who didn't bother reading are, quite frankly, not our responsibility and it does no good for people to come in here and berate us for them because I can assure you that no one who is and has been in this thread was unaware of CP being a charity. The people who want to reassign their money to another charity because they no longer trust the CP organization apparently exist, but are clearly not hanging out here anymore and were very few in here to begin with, so yelling at us for something we have no control over and are not personally doing also has very little point or effect.

CP has not taken any damage form this, as a matter of fact they've gained a lot of money (even if somebody or other takes some back). I know it's generally frowned upon on internet forums to look at the good rather than the bad, but I would very much appreciate it if this thread could get back to doing just that.

The bottom line is, win or lose on the ending issue, we have made sure the CP kids win. That's important, the rest is just there for better or worse.

now back to your regularly scheduled posting.

Be positive and hold the line!

Everything you wrote is true, that is exactly what went through my head when I caught up with the thread this evening and it might be the reason, why I really got bothered because of it for a while.

[leondes1]

Friendly reminder, please feel free to join us in multiplayer on origin sometime if you have pc version of course, see the past posts for names. If you like the multiplayer of course. I'm Leondres1 if you happen to do multiplayer and the forums are getting to you.

Also, anyone who is upset of childs play, I know it's hard and I completely understand why everyone is so upset, but keep this in mind. It is because you donated that a sick child in a hospital can have something special. You should all be extremely proud of that. Don't let what has happened diminish that we raised almost $80,000. I respect if people feel bothered by it and do not want to donate to Childs Play again, but don't let it sour what you have done for a child who is suffering.

Keep calm and remain civil, I believe in you guys and gals.

I'm out for dinner with my gf KEEP THE PEACE