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[Gexora]

...sooo... i have been saving money to donate 200 on first of april... oh well

[txmn1016]

Gexora wrote...

...sooo... i have been saving money to donate 200 on first of april... oh well

I'm sure CP would still be grateful.

[txmn1016]

solo77 wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

Oh my god, I must be the only Xbox player here

err i did say i might be up for it later, i also have it on the Xbox. because its easier to pay for an xbox than it is for a new computer, well the parts for one so i can build it myself. i never ever trust anyone else to work on my computers for me... ever. that and store bought ones suck anyway.

Lol, well all of that makes your Legion avatar all that more fitting.

[Sharkey1337]

txmn1016 wrote...

Gexora wrote...

...sooo... i have been saving money to donate 200 on first of april... oh well

I'm sure CP would still be grateful.

That or Full Paragon will happily put it towards helping kids read: 
http://www.fullparagon.com/ 

Either way, you're giving good will to others!

[solo77]

txmn1016 wrote...

solo77 wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

Oh my god, I must be the only Xbox player here

err i did say i might be up for it later, i also have it on the Xbox. because its easier to pay for an xbox than it is for a new computer, well the parts for one so i can build it myself. i never ever trust anyone else to work on my computers for me... ever. that and store bought ones suck anyway.

Lol, well all of that makes your Legion avatar all that more fitting.

Consensus achieved: Store-bought computers are illogical. unlike geth hardware these devices are not made to be upgraded when necessary.

also gamertag is solo77.

[txmn1016]

imgur.com/eMYVd

Not really anything new, but still gave me sad feelings.

[blurryhunter]

solo77 wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

solo77 wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

Oh my god, I must be the only Xbox player here

err i did say i might be up for it later, i also have it on the Xbox. because its easier to pay for an xbox than it is for a new computer, well the parts for one so i can build it myself. i never ever trust anyone else to work on my computers for me... ever. that and store bought ones suck anyway.

Lol, well all of that makes your Legion avatar all that more fitting.

Consensus achieved: Store-bought computers are illogical. unlike geth hardware these devices are not made to be upgraded when necessary.

also gamertag is solo77.

I mentioned earlier that I'm an X-box player myself. My tag is blurryhunter. No surprise there, I'm sure. That said, I picked it up for the X-box because I had gotten all the others on the same platform the day they launched. Just made sense that if I started it on the X-box, I'm going to finish it on the X-box.

[Skyblade012]

Guys, just because the Retake Drive was shut down, doesn't mean we have to stop donating. Child's Play is always taking donations. I don't have the link right now (had it earlier in the thread, but I lost it), but I'm sure that chipping in will still be welcome.

I think the drive got its point across, we've clearly been heard (even if BioWare doesn't seem to understand what it has heard), but we can still help kids while we hold the line!

[txmn1016]

Not charity related--but I think a lot of people will find this to be an interesting read: 

www.pcgamer.com/2012/03/23/mass-effect-3-ending-what-do-game-writers-think/

[blurryhunter]

txmn1016 wrote...

imgur.com/eMYVd

Not really anything new, but still gave me sad feelings.

Well, whatever they do, we can't know how it turns out until they release it. It is, to me, just as likely that it's worthwhile as it is likely it isn't. 50/50 really. Is or isn't.

As it stands now, I intend to get it when it lands, so I can tell people what it's all about. I have my own thoughts on the whole situation, but I happen to have thrown my voice in with the movement. I played the neutral card and gathered as much evidence on both sides as I could before coming to my own conclusion. I'm going to call out BioWare on a mistake, plain and simple.

[Gexora]

 Can someone please point me to Bioware post in this thread? I seem to have missed it somehow

[txmn1016]

Gexora wrote...

 Can someone please point me to Bioware post in this thread? I seem to have missed it somehow

Not sure what you're asking for exactly...

[blurryhunter]

txmn1016 wrote...

Not charity related--but I think a lot of people will find this to be an interesting read: 

www.pcgamer.com/2012/03/23/mass-effect-3-ending-what-do-game-writers-think/

This is a good article for the simple reason that it isn't targeting the endings, but narrative as a whole, which this is. The issues aren't as simple as 'the endings are bad.' If it fit the game to do those endings, I, and I'm sure others, wouldn't have a problem with them, but they didn't. They felt so far removed from the entire game's narrative and universe it was almost incomprehensible. Be that removal in the form of player choice, breaks in the universe's science, actions from characters who were established as never taking those kind of actions, or simply what was stated by BioWare prior to release not appearing during release (in reference to the endings).

These endings did not match the series. Someone at BioWare thought they did, or that many would be on board. Many were not on board and do not see these endings as a match to the series at all. Far, far from it.

[Skyblade012]

Gexora wrote...

 Can someone please point me to Bioware post in this thread? I seem to have missed it somehow

Click the word "BioWare" under the thread, and you will get all of their posts in that thread.

[Nyila]

txmn1016 wrote...

Not charity related--but I think a lot of people will find this to be an interesting read: 

www.pcgamer.com/2012/03/23/mass-effect-3-ending-what-do-game-writers-think/

I always loved Chris Avellone, he's such a nice guy, even though Obsidian's games haven't been at their best lately. Reading what he says there makes me like him even more.

I also love what Jesse Schell says:

1) If people really hate the original ending, maybe changing it will make people like the game more. If so, good idea—change it!

2) People want the world of Mass Effect to seem real and solid. When you change the world like that, it robs the world of its illusion of reality. Uh, oh, don’t change it!

3) This could be an awesome publicity stunt, designed to get people to talk about and pay more attention to the game. In that case, create controversy, act like the old ending will be “replaced” but then change the game so that depending on your actions in the game, you get two different possible endings!

I predict number three…”

Totally my opinion! :happy:

But in the end, nobody understands that we don't necessarily need the ending to change, but we need to understand it, so they should add to it or offer alternatives.

Modifié par Nyila, 24 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[Gexora]

txmn1016 wrote...

Not charity related--but I think a lot of people will find this to be an interesting read: 

www.pcgamer.com/2012/03/23/mass-effect-3-ending-what-do-game-writers-think/

and this is why Fallout: New Vegas is awesome

[blurryhunter]

Come to think of it, another thing that sort of bothers me, but I'm sure I'll never get the real answer to, is how many of the writers were really in the know or on board with the idea of the endings as presented in ME3?

Ruling out that 'true or not true' statement running around, the fact is, they couldn't have all looked at that and just said: that works completely. Someone, somewhere in BioWare came up with the concept of the Arrival DLC and I can't think of anyone, in that deep on a project, wouldn't at least raise a hand and go: that...seems to break what we established and for no reason at all.

[Nyila]

blurryhunter wrote...

Come to think of it, another thing that sort of bothers me, but I'm sure I'll never get the real answer to, is how many of the writers were really in the know or on board with the idea of the endings as presented in ME3?

Ruling out that 'true or not true' statement running around, the fact is, they couldn't have all looked at that and just said: that works completely. Someone, somewhere in BioWare came up with the concept of the Arrival DLC and I can't think of anyone, in that deep on a project, wouldn't at least raise a hand and go: that...seems to break what we established and for no reason at all.

I saw somewhere that Casey and Mac were the ones who made the final decisions on what would be cut out of the game. So I'm pretty sure they were the ones making all the decisions as to what went into the ending.

[blurryhunter]

Nyila wrote...

blurryhunter wrote...

Come to think of it, another thing that sort of bothers me, but I'm sure I'll never get the real answer to, is how many of the writers were really in the know or on board with the idea of the endings as presented in ME3?

Ruling out that 'true or not true' statement running around, the fact is, they couldn't have all looked at that and just said: that works completely. Someone, somewhere in BioWare came up with the concept of the Arrival DLC and I can't think of anyone, in that deep on a project, wouldn't at least raise a hand and go: that...seems to break what we established and for no reason at all.

I saw somewhere that Casey and Mac were the ones who made the final decisions on what would be cut out of the game. So I'm pretty sure they were the ones making all the decisions as to what went into the ending.

That would be the reference I made to the 'true or not true' statement running around.

In the end, I mentioned something to a few people in some private messages (as I believe my private outlook on this thing should stay that; for now) and that was this:

Ask yourself this question. If the endings were as they said, with all your choices culminating in a conclusion that led you straight to the credits, how many of the people that say they like the current endings would say they hate that ending?

I'd stake my life there wouldn't be any.

[leondes1]

Well that was fun, how many silver games did we win? Think four.

[leondes1]

Gexora wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

Not charity related--but I think a lot of people will find this to be an interesting read: 

www.pcgamer.com/2012/03/23/mass-effect-3-ending-what-do-game-writers-think/

and this is why Fallout: New Vegas is awesome

You just mentioned new vegas

Plus 1000 points! 

Also, Chris Avellone

Another person I greatly respect. Obsidian knows how to write stories. Their DLC for new vegas was simply amazing.

Modifié par leondes1, 24 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[leondes1]

From the article

Gary Whitta
Whitta was Editor-in-Chief of PC Gamer for four years. He wrote the film Book of Eli. Whitta is currently a story consultant and writer for Telltale’s The Walking Dead game, for which he’ll write the fourth episode.

“I’ll be interested to see how BioWare will respond to the fan reaction in terms of future content—clearly they intend to do something, but what remains to be seen. As much as it left me with many questions and ultimately feeling kind of uncomfortable, I really hope they don’t attempt to retcon or in any way “undo” the ending they presented. I’ve always felt that games like Mass Effect are all about living with the consequences of your choices, no matter what they may be, and I think BioWare should do the same thing here and stick with their original choice, trust their original creative instinct, rather than allow the fan response to cause them to second-guess themselves.

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Not when the choices in the end don't matter my friend

[Nyila]

leondes1 wrote...

Also, Chris Avellone

Another person I greatly respect. Obsidian knows how to write stories. Their DLC for new vegas was simply amazing.

That they do! Obsidian has also created some of the best characters ever, like Darth Treya in KotOR2.

[blurryhunter]

Susan O'Connor made a great contribution at the end there.

"The takeaway, for me, is that if players are promised player agency, they’re going to want to see that promise delivered all the way to the (bitter) end."

That's only portion of what was said, so I opt that it be read so my quote from it won't be taken out of context, but it is a rightful statement.

I have played many games where the endings were less then satisfactory, but when I went back I realized I was reading too much into it; expecting too much as it were. I was able to pick those games back up and approach them in a manner that got me to appreciate what was created and realize that, while the ending was off the beaten path, it wasn't a 'Batman ending to a Superman game' (a phrase I've been pushing around a bit), where it's in the same universe, but just doesn't make sense.

I believe that, in this instance, everything leading up to Mass Effect 3, from the first two games, to the comments about players driving the story and influencing the ending, really factor in to what Susan said.

We were told to expect our story to drive the ending and fit with the universe so created by BioWare and the fans. What we received just doesn't fit that expectation.

[leondes1]

Guys, this is really a very good article to read. Read all of them, they all have different and valid viewpoints.

www.pcgamer.com/2012/03/23/mass-effect-3-ending-what-do-game-writers-think/

Now this is how you discuss things \\

Thanks for pointing it out txmn1016