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[SgtGlory]

Looks like the second wave of hate is upon us. Stand fast folks.

and
 

DrowVampyre wrote...

He also says "
But consider this also: Star Wars’ reality is so rich and fully-formed that it has been able to support so much expanded-universe content that there’s way, way more for fans to explore and enjoy beyond the movies and their various successes and failings. And they do. And so too can be the case with Mass Effect. " Which...is impossible if they don't change the ending.

  

That last bit, well said - that's part of the point why Retake exists.

Modifié par SgtGlory, 25 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[leondes1]

txmn1016 wrote...

leondes1 wrote...

jupppez wrote...

http://kotaku.com/58...ake-mass-effect

nuff said.

Your quoting the flamebaiting kotac (yes I call them that because of the Retro Game Master stuff) blog? Please find a real source of information.

Such as this

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/ 

Lol.  Read what the authors of some of the trashier gamer blogs think about our excellent friends at Forbes. 

i.imgur.com/INiVl.png

Saw this on the other topic

I expect nothing from destructiod's filth ridden website.

[VettoRyouzou]

Must admit, I am starting to give into the Indoc Theory, allot of the Sarien moments are changing my view.

[leondes1]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Must admit, I am starting to give into the Indoc Theory, allot of the Sarien moments are changing my view.

It's my secret hope. Thus I picked red.

[Melicamp]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Must admit, I am starting to give into the Indoc Theory, allot of the Sarien moments are changing my view.

It's pretty compelling. Wouldn't mind if BioWare co-opted it and had their proposed DLC start with Sehp coming round in the rubble of London. I'd prefer a Starchild free ending, but as the indoc theory explains it away as not real it'd be pretty close.

leondes1 wrote...

It's my secret hope. Thus I picked red.

 

I picked red too, but before I knew of the Indoc Theory. There's no way my Shepard would have believed anything a Reaper told her, so there was only the one option.

Modifié par Melicamp, 25 mars 2012 - 02:23 .

[leondes1]

Melicamp wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Must admit, I am starting to give into the Indoc Theory, allot of the Sarien moments are changing my view.

It's pretty compelling. Wouldn't mind if BioWare co-opted it and had their proposed DLC start with Sehp coming round in the rubble of London. I'd prefer a Starchild free ending, but as the indoc theory explains it away as not real it'd be pretty close.

leondes1 wrote...

It's my secret hope. Thus I picked red.

 

I picked red too, but before I knew of the Indoc Theory. There's no way my Shepard would have believed anything a Reaper told her, so there was only the one option.

Same here. I thought there was more coming. I thought, control? I just shot the Illusive man and told him he had failed humanity (that was so damn epic, a part of the "end" I loved  renegade option) and synthesis to me just said, we win.

No I am killing you, you have caused enough pain.

Modifié par leondes1, 25 mars 2012 - 02:42 .

[Rosery99]

I picked red as well, for much the same reasons as Leo there. My Shepard could never force everyone to be half machine, she doesn't believe herself high up enough to make that choice for everyone. Likewise she would never believe she had the raw will and power to command the reapers, who says they can't indoctrinate her once she's a part of them, make her think like they do now? No no, to many unknowns. She loved Edi and the Geth, she'd mourn the loss of both...but it was the only choice remaining and it saved her home, her loved ones and friends, so she sent the Reapers crawling back to the hell spawned pits they came from.

Also I'd love to believe the Indoc Theory or at least have BW co-opt it and CLAIM it was right all along, even if it makes us all look like idiots. I could deal with looking like an idiot for a great ending, yup.

Holding The Line,
~R

[leondes1]

This is what happens if you pick the to renegade options in the last conversation with Illusive man.


IL: You'd undo everything I've accomplished, I won't let that happen.
Shep: Your weak and your selfish, because of you, humanity will suffer.

IL: No, No I saved humanity!
Shep: No! You sacrified us for your own selfish wants, your lust for control!
IL: NO! NO!

Shep: You were supposed to protect us and you failed!
IL: No, I am the savior of humanity I am the pinnacle of our………….
(Gunshot)
Shepard shoots the bastard!

That, was so good.

[Vlta]

txmn1016 wrote...

Lol.  Read what the authors of some of the trashier gamer blogs think about our excellent friends at Forbes. 

i.imgur.com/INiVl.png

This is why I don't bother going onto most game review sites, damn they're childish.

[leondes1]

I found a better thing to laugh at, enjoy found it on another thread

Hope it posts right

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[Nyila]

leondes1 wrote...

This is what happens if you pick the to renegade options in the last conversation with Illusive man.


IL: You'd undo everything I've accomplished, I won't let that happen.
Shep: Your weak and your selfish, because of you, humanity will suffer.

IL: No, No I saved humanity!
Shep: No! You sacrified us for your own selfish wants, your lust for control!
IL: NO! NO!

Shep: You were supposed to protect us and you failed!
IL: No, I am the savior of humanity I am the pinnacle of our………….
(Gunshot)
Shepard shoots the bastard!

That, was so good.

Illusive Man is one of those villains that are not 100% evil, like Saren in ME, Teyrn Loghain in DA:O or Meredith in DA2. They all think they're doing the right thing.

leondes1 wrote...

My choice would have to be "Live on teh forums".. lol

Modifié par Nyila, 25 mars 2012 - 03:50 .

[leondes1]

Nyila wrote...

leondes1 wrote...

This is what happens if you pick the to renegade options in the last conversation with Illusive man.


IL: You'd undo everything I've accomplished, I won't let that happen.
Shep: Your weak and your selfish, because of you, humanity will suffer.

IL: No, No I saved humanity!
Shep: No! You sacrified us for your own selfish wants, your lust for control!
IL: NO! NO!

Shep: You were supposed to protect us and you failed!
IL: No, I am the savior of humanity I am the pinnacle of our………….
(Gunshot)
Shepard shoots the bastard!

That, was so good.

Illusive Man is one of those villains that are not 100% evil, like Saren in ME, Teyrn Loghain in DA:O or Meredith in DA2. They all think they're doing the right thing.

Interesting you mentioned Loghain. I read the book with him in it. I spared him because of that. Holy cow was Alistair pissed.

[leondes1]

News everyone, I just saw this thread. I sent PM over to them and called them to come join our thread

http://social.biowar...487/11#10589454

Welcome our French supporters!

Modifié par leondes1, 25 mars 2012 - 05:30 .

[leondes1]

I am out, night everyone

[leondes1]

One more thing



Angry joe video on Indoctrination Theory.

It is filled with crazy amounts of epic.

Modifié par leondes1, 25 mars 2012 - 06:26 .

[Skyblade012]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Again, you guys done a good thing for the kids. You will always have that.

And we can keep doing it.  Child's Play is still taking donations, and helping out is still a great thing to do.

Child's Play

Even if we can't track donations via ChipIn anymore, we can still donate, and still help kids.

[Hearnishere123]

A classic but a good one XD
What is mass effect

[UlricKerensky]

leondes1 wrote...

One more thing



Angry joe video on Indoctrination Theory.

It is filled with crazy amounts of epic.

I keep hoping Indoc Theory is right...but that just means we got no ending, instead of a nonsensical one. And that EA might try to sell us the ending. 

[die-yng]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Again, you guys done a good thing for the kids. You will always have that.

And we can keep doing it.  Child's Play is still taking donations, and helping out is still a great thing to do.

Child's Play

Even if we can't track donations via ChipIn anymore, we can still donate, and still help kids.

Somehow I don't really feel like donating to them anymore.

It feels as if they try to pass the blame onto us and spread misinformation against us.

Their cause is good, but I think I don't like the people themselves.

[die-yng]

Rosery99 wrote...

I picked red as well, for much the same reasons as Leo there. My Shepard could never force everyone to be half machine, she doesn't believe herself high up enough to make that choice for everyone. Likewise she would never believe she had the raw will and power to command the reapers, who says they can't indoctrinate her once she's a part of them, make her think like they do now? No no, to many unknowns. She loved Edi and the Geth, she'd mourn the loss of both...but it was the only choice remaining and it saved her home, her loved ones and friends, so she sent the Reapers crawling back to the hell spawned pits they came from.

Also I'd love to believe the Indoc Theory or at least have BW co-opt it and CLAIM it was right all along, even if it makes us all look like idiots. I could deal with looking like an idiot for a great ending, yup.

Holding The Line,
~R

Picked red for obviously the same reasons, haven't finished wiht the other two Sheps I brought to ME3 (I'm really afraid for waht it would cause to happen inside me, if I watched it one more time).
Fusing organics with synthesis would stand against everything my Shep stands for, which could be called unity in diversity. And as for controlling the reapers my thoughts go alng the same line as well.
How long could Shepard stay in controll? What happens when her/ his will and personality fade away? What's to stop the reapers from returning?
And one other point which was important to me. Sovereign's and Harbinger's personality is so repulsive, that I believe being connected to thousands of minds like them for as long as Shep lives would be the worst torture possible.
Killing off EDI and the GETH is terrible (and I really wish for an ending which makes it possible to save them), but it would still be preferable to the other two choices.

[die-yng]

Just read all the new hate spreading...
Wow, this is really depressing.

games journalists sure are a bunch of self important, arrogant...

No, I won't go there. It's just nice to see how aggressive they get, when they feel they are misrepresented.
Heaven forbid, that they ever do the same to somebody else.

The way I see it, they are either tools of the bigger companies like EA or they don't know a thing about quality writing.
Yes, they are right, because they are professionals. 90% of the people playign ME3 are wrong and are obviously nothing but whiny fanboys,

Alone that they have this position, this stance and claim that they are gaming journalists or critics, does that sound as wrong to me as it does to you?

Edit: I've searched the gaming sites here in germany for a while now and while they mostly just inform about the newest development or statement by BW and other devs, I get the feeling that they are in general a bit more open towards the fan reaction.
On the other hand there are a lot of people in the comments who've obviously never played one Mass Effect  game and are on the dev's side out of principle and guess what, they are of course on their side, because it's art.

One site had an especially interesting article, which basically said that the criticism was deserved, but also that the backlash is only so strong , because Mass Effect and Bioware managed what almost no game accomplished before, to pull us gamers so deep into it and into Cmndr. Shepard that the dissatisfying ending really hurts deeply.

I think this is what BW should think about, that only the quality of the games could generate such a strong reaction and that is something they've accomplished and all they have to do now is make endings that are on par with the rest of their work.

Modifié par die-yng, 25 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[Larryboy_Dragon]

Dude:

"As the main point of contact for Child’s Play, Jamie has been buried under mail about this situation. Apparently some of the people giving to the cause seemed to think that they were paying for a new ending to Mass Effect. She’s been asked what the goal is, and how much they need to raise in order to get the ending produced. We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back."

If that's true, then they were backed into a corner. And PA is well known for being open and honest about whats going on over there.

It's not a f***ing war - just because someone isn't your ally doesn't make them an enemy,

[blurryhunter]

Just wanted to toss something out about reading articles that are one sided in opposition of the ending situation.

I know a lot of people don't like, or get upset, over reading articles that talk about how the fan outcry is wrong and the endings don't need to be changed, how the fans are whiny and entitled, and how this will suddenly dictate every single fan from here on out suddenly rising up and complaining to any developer about the endings to a game.

I suggest reading these articles. If anything, those sort of anti-support articles are the most important for any movement, not just what's going down right now. The reason is that it is through these negative perspectives that we can correct any mistakes or attitudes that might be causing these very perspectives.

They may not be right, but something happened that made them think they are; use that to learn how to change that opinion. They may very well be right in some respects and you use that to learn from your mistakes. Maybe a few fans got to heated and labeled the whole group in the same light. Those very fans can read that article and say 'Note to self, don't blow up like that again.'

There will be people that don't care what you do and think they're right no matter what; you can't change that and you never will. Don't fret over those people. All you can do is take the negative, swing it into a positive (learning from mistakes or learning how to better explain your position so people aren't confused), and the people that aren't ignorant to your plight will have a better understanding of your situation.

There have been plenty of articles that mention the movement, saying how it is wrong, that the fans are feeling entitled, and that it is infringing on the creativity of a developer. All of these articles I've seen fail to mention even a single reason why people are feeling this way and just chalk it up to 'hating the ending.' None of them mention the quotes or statements they made, the conflict the ending causes when laid side by side to the entire narrative of the very series itself, or even show that the 'choices' you get are no better than a different colored mirror of each other.

They do this for a variety of reasons and some of them just don't plain want to voice our side of it, while others really don't know our side of it. All some of them have to go on are angry comments in their articles, on review sites, or on forums that do nothing but reinforce their point.

So read these negative articles. Learn the perspectives of the people that disagree. Use that information to better prepare yourself when you need to explain your position, to calmly point out the lack of information someone might have in regards to our side if it, and as a reminder not to get too heated.

Modifié par blurryhunter, 25 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[blurryhunter]

leondes1 wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

leondes1 wrote...

jupppez wrote...

http://kotaku.com/58...ake-mass-effect

nuff said.

Your quoting the flamebaiting kotac (yes I call them that because of the Retro Game Master stuff) blog? Please find a real source of information.

Such as this

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/ 

Lol.  Read what the authors of some of the trashier gamer blogs think about our excellent friends at Forbes. 

i.imgur.com/INiVl.png

Saw this on the other topic

I expect nothing from destructiod's filth ridden website.

Just proof positive that even article writers can attack like the very gamers they accuse. We're human, and some people, even the ones with paychecks, can act like children.

[Enichan]

It's amazing how so-called "professional" reviewers think airing their grievances with other journalists in public like this is even remotely okay, even aside from slamming the buying public in their opinion pieces.