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[HectorTheWellEndowed]

 This is a link to a thread on gamefaqs, it does contain spoilers so don't check unless you've beaten the game or do not care. It possibly disproves the indoctrination theory.

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62225565

[Texhnolyze101]

There are endings where there is just only the destroy option? didn't know that i always thought you get control and destroy no matter what.

[batlin]

All indoctrination does is alter people's opinion, it doesn't create hallucinations. The indoctrination theory is already debunked because it involves making indoctrination some "it does whatever we want it to do" force, which it is not.

[templarfrost]

batlin wrote...

All indoctrination does is alter people's opinion, it doesn't create hallucinations. The indoctrination theory is already debunked because it involves making indoctrination some "it does whatever we want it to do" force, which it is not.

You're absolutely, entirely wrong.  That statement is absolutely, entirely false.  It does create hallucinations.  See Mass Effect 2, missing Cerberus crew.

[Dark_Caduceus]

batlin wrote...

All indoctrination does is alter people's opinion, it doesn't create hallucinations. The indoctrination theory is already debunked because it involves making indoctrination some "it does whatever we want it to do" force, which it is not.

Indoctrination does produce hallucinations, at least autiory ones. The Cerberus research team aboard the Derelict Reaper reported hearing noises and voices which weren't there.

[Texhnolyze101]

templarfrost wrote...

batlin wrote...

All indoctrination does is alter people's opinion, it doesn't create hallucinations. The indoctrination theory is already debunked because it involves making indoctrination some "it does whatever we want it to do" force, which it is not.

You're absolutely, entirely wrong.  That statement is absolutely, entirely false.  It does create hallucinations.  See Mass Effect 2, missing Cerberus crew.

^ This plus its says so in the codex

[Darth Malice113]

templarfrost wrote...

batlin wrote...

All indoctrination does is alter people's opinion, it doesn't create hallucinations. The indoctrination theory is already debunked because it involves making indoctrination some "it does whatever we want it to do" force, which it is not.

You're absolutely, entirely wrong.  That statement is absolutely, entirely false.  It does create hallucinations.  See Mass Effect 2, missing Cerberus crew.

Yeah remember that guy on the derelect Reaper complaining about headaches and seeing " that grey thing"  (wich wasn't really there) jump out of a wall.

[batlin]

templarfrost wrote...

batlin wrote...

All indoctrination does is alter people's opinion, it doesn't create hallucinations. The indoctrination theory is already debunked because it involves making indoctrination some "it does whatever we want it to do" force, which it is not.

You're absolutely, entirely wrong.  That statement is absolutely, entirely false.  It does create hallucinations.  See Mass Effect 2, missing Cerberus crew.

Nope. I'm looking at the page on indocrtination on the Mass Effect wiki right now. It says nothing about creating  hallucinations.

[batlin]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

batlin wrote...

All indoctrination does is alter people's opinion, it doesn't create hallucinations. The indoctrination theory is already debunked because it involves making indoctrination some "it does whatever we want it to do" force, which it is not.

Indoctrination does produce hallucinations, at least autiory ones. The Cerberus research team aboard the Derelict Reaper reported hearing noises and voices which weren't there.

There's a big difference between dementia and having full-on dreams that did not happen.

[GamerrangerX]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

templarfrost wrote...

batlin wrote...

All indoctrination does is alter people's opinion, it doesn't create hallucinations. The indoctrination theory is already debunked because it involves making indoctrination some "it does whatever we want it to do" force, which it is not.

You're absolutely, entirely wrong.  That statement is absolutely, entirely false.  It does create hallucinations.  See Mass Effect 2, missing Cerberus crew.

Yeah remember that guy on the derelect Reaper complaining about headaches and seeing " that grey thing"  (wich wasn't really there) jump out of a wall.

i notice Shepard and Anderson have some headaches while speaking to TIM

[templarfrost]

batlin wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

batlin wrote...

All indoctrination does is alter people's opinion, it doesn't create hallucinations. The indoctrination theory is already debunked because it involves making indoctrination some "it does whatever we want it to do" force, which it is not.

Indoctrination does produce hallucinations, at least autiory ones. The Cerberus research team aboard the Derelict Reaper reported hearing noises and voices which weren't there.

There's a big difference between dementia and having full-on dreams that did not happen.

Or you could return to Mass Effect 2, and play the game.   What actually, factually happened, offers a bit more substance then the wiki arguement.  : )  See missing Cerberus team.   Read your Codex. 

Cue Stanley Woo - END OF LINE. 

[Desch]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

There are endings where there is just only the destroy option? didn't know that i always thought you get control and destroy no matter what.

I recieved only the Destroy option when I did a quick playthrough, so I can confirm that there are cases where you effectively don't have a choice.

[manjikengo]

Spoilers, highlight between the underlines. Why the hell is this thread in GEN discussion? Can a mod move it to story discussion? ffffffffffffffffffff i can't change the text to a color that matches the background.

Modifié par manjikengo, 13 mars 2012 - 06:25 .

[PiEman]

Not to mention the two guys on the derelict Reaper who had somehow had their memories swapped.

That was genuinely creepy *shudder*.

[JosephShrike]

If you only have the Destroy option, the blast just destroys everything on Earth, Reapers included. Does it destroy the Reapers elsewhere in the galaxy? Who knows. This is the problem with the ending. There's no explanation on what happens afterwards. You just have to take the stupid...thing's word for it. Either way, you'd think that maybe, just maybe, destroy Shepard + Earth + anyone else standing in their way would be kind of what the Reapers wanted to happen too, seeing as how that's what they're doing.

[Ronin1325]

We also can't ignore the books. They *are* considered canon. In "Deception" one of the main characters gets indoctrinated & he has full on hallucinations.

[Arlind Webb]

Ronin1325 wrote...

We also can't ignore the books. They *are* considered canon. In "Deception" one of the main characters gets indoctrinated & he has full on hallucinations.

Was just about to post the same thing... hah...

[vasametropolis]

HectorTheWellEndowed wrote...

 This is a link to a thread on gamefaqs, it does contain spoilers so don't check unless you've beaten the game or do not care. It possibly disproves the indoctrination theory.

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62225565

This is probably the closest I've seen to it being debunked, but I still don't think it does and here's why. Seemingly this is valid, but it's almost moot at the same time. If your only option is destroy and you pick it then you've clearly broken indoctrination, but you're dead back on Earth. The Destroy ending with survival would have you breaking indoctrination and living to finish the fight, and really that's the ending that is the most interesting and what we are all looking at. Seeing as how it's the most difficult to achieve and the only ending in which he lives, this actually almost strengthens the theory.

Another thought is that the game actually DOES have multiple endings, and the true ending turns everything on its head and instead becomes the "indoctrination" ending. As in, the other endings are real in their own context, but once you see Shepard breathe, it literally changes the whole ending and the only explanation so far for that was that they were attempting to indoctrinate him while he was at his weakest point.

Modifié par xCaptainAmazing, 13 mars 2012 - 07:40 .

[WarGriffin]

Also Indoctrination seems to always take effect since Rana just decides to go nuts one day even though it's been three years since she was exosed to indoct signals

[DimaR8]

From my understanding of the indoctrination theory, the choices are not given to Shepard by the catalyst nor the reaper (whether they're one and the same is irrelevant) but rather by Shepard's own mind. Otherwise there would be no sense for the "destroy" option to be there in the first place.

The way I see it, the indoctrination process is all about persuading the victim to help the reapers, that is the job of the kid. The options are Shepard's possible lines of thought. She will either be persuaded into helping them (left or center), and thus become fully indoctrinated, or not (right).

As to why your available option depend on your war assets, or whatever, I have no clue.

EDIT: Also, this should not be in the General Discussion forum. I don't know about your Shepard, but since I replayed to the post, I must be indoctrinated.

Modifié par DimaR8, 13 mars 2012 - 07:40 .

[Konges]

templarfrost wrote...

batlin wrote...

All indoctrination does is alter people's opinion, it doesn't create hallucinations. The indoctrination theory is already debunked because it involves making indoctrination some "it does whatever we want it to do" force, which it is not.

You're absolutely, entirely wrong.  That statement is absolutely, entirely false.  It does create hallucinations.  See Mass Effect 2, missing Cerberus crew.

 Also read the books, They go into detail about how it can effect people.

Modifié par Konges, 13 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

xCaptainAmazing wrote...
If your only option is destroy and you pick it then you've clearly broken indoctrination, but you're dead back on Earth. The Destroy ending with survival would have you breaking indoctrination and living to finish the fight, and really that's the ending that is the most interesting and what we are all looking at. Seeing as how it's the most difficult to achieve and the only ending in which he lives, this actually almost strengthens the theory.

Another thought is that the game actually DOES have multiple endings, and the true ending turns everything on its head and instead becomes the "indoctrination" ending. As in, the other endings are real in their own context, but once you see Shepard breathe, it literally changes the whole ending and the only explanation so far for that was that they were attempting to indoctrinate him while he was at his weakest point.

Pretty much...

But regardless, the ending has numerous plot holes and presents more questions than answers... something they said wouldn't happen...

Also, this proves that the kid lied... as the Crucible killed everyone (and destroyed everything) in that ending... not just synthetics...

Just another ending that makes no sense.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 13 mars 2012 - 08:22 .

[joejoe099]

the "one choice ending" is the ending if you get a crappy amount of war assist. like being lazy in a game like this will give you the reward of a happy ending.

[Bring Down The Sky]

the line is coming