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[braxy29]

Gexora wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...

EDI was awesome if you were instantly put off by her ****** (which I didnt even notice) then you are maligning a character for her appearance just as others love her for her appearance its not really different. People like looking at attractive things. Have you seen the default ManShep, Im straight and even I think he is hot lol. This argument is getting tired yes the women in games conform to an aesthetic ideal but so do the guys almost every protagonist Ive ever played as has been an attractive male whether it is Sheploo, Nathan Drake, or any of the others.

Where is your outrage at Jacob, or Vegas ridiculously chiselled torsos. You say the women in video games are ridiculously proportioned but so are the men. For christs sake Sheploo is modelled after one of the most successful male models ever. It really sucks that you would ignore EDI who was an awesome character before AND after she got a body.

THIS
If some 15 year old gamer gets hots out of this, why should I care? I put EDI in black catsuit and am happy. Half-naked James was pure fanservice too. Actually, the only fanservice thing that makes me uncomfortablе is Ashley's bangs. LIKE REALLY

also, I am female

just want to say that i agree with both of these statements, and i've had this argument before on comic book threads elsewhere.  most of the characters are sexualized to some degree, and not offensively so, i think.  i'm also a woman, and i can't say i ever looked at EDI hard enough to notice (i liked her chrome look best).  if i did, i would laugh and go on about my business.  what do you think is going on with thane?  or, as others have mentioned, what about vega while he's getting all tatted up?  i certainly didn't mind seeing those things.

i'm not put off by the human body, and for any who might point out that not all players are adults, i would respond that a) this game is rated mature, isn't it?  and my kids have watched me play it.  i don't want to teach them to be horrified at the sight of a body either.  sexuality is a part of humanity, and it is certainly a part of this game.

(yes, i know EDI is not human.  but the players are, and there is a good reason for her appearing so human within the game, beyond that players enjoy looking at it.)

[braxy29]

AxisEvolve wrote...
A hard-on would imply that the character is sexually aroused. All EDI's camel-toe means is that her clothing is too tight. 

I see no problem in giving dude's boners in sex scenes. Maybe Bioware will actually step up their game and innovate in a future game. I'd rather see no sex scene at all than have underwear sex and fully clothed shower scenes.

We all watch realistic sex scenes in movies and TV. I think maybe we can handle it in video games without having our head's explode. We demand realism in almost every other aspect. The human reproductive system is nothing to be afraid of.

agreed.  i support this from practical, philosophical and fangirl standpoints.

[nicki92]

TobiTobsen wrote...

TIM probably changed his sexual preferences from Asari to Reaper Tech when the indoctrination started to take hold

Actually, TIM didnt have any reaper tech installed in himself. He got it from an STD from EVA 

[Greyfox84]

I'm at the Cerberus mission, RIGHT at the end of the game, as I type this, and I have just noticed EDI's said front bottom. I've gone from being completely absorbed into the game, to thinking what the frack is that about, tabbing out of my game, and googling to see if anyone else had noticed it (although saying that, how could they not) and then to see what the hell's going on here.

And because I can't be bothered to read through 11 pages right now, to address the 'the male characters are equally sexualized' argument, I can understand how this might be an initial response, but Jacob or Kaiden sporting a few pecs isn't the same. Now if they had outfits so tight you could see their individual bollocks, so much so they would routinely catch your eye during a mission, THEN the boys and girls would be on equal ground.
I've just convinced my girlfriend to start playing ME1 after she completes Skyrim, and I hope to god she doesn't notice stuff like this because I can tell you now it would totally kill the experience for her.

Anyway, back to the Cerberus mission.

Modifié par Greyfox84, 24 mars 2012 - 06:53 .

[attack vector]

I feel like in the hightened debate of sexuality and it's portrayal on EDI, everyone here has totally missed the fact that EDI (Dr. EVA) was a Cerberus combat chassis... designed explicitly to be used for nefarious purposes.

Subterfuge, deciet, cohersion, entrapment, murder.

Hypothetically speaking EDI's body was a machine designed to do things like... get the commanding officer of an installation drunk, sleep with him, kill him, then steal the access codes to the mainframe.

She was designed to be nasty and dirty and tight clothes and a hypersexualized appearance are just par for the course. A presence designed to instantly overpower the weakest of wills through simple seduction. Amongs a host of other... "talents".

In the context of the game... Dr. EVA's body makes perfect sense. I don't think it's distasteful. She was designed to be nasty. And she was.

[Dollymixtures]

attack vector wrote...

I feel like in the hightened debate of sexuality and it's portrayal on EDI, everyone here has totally missed the fact that EDI (Dr. EVA) was a Cerberus combat chassis... designed explicitly to be used for nefarious purposes.

Subterfuge, deciet, cohersion, entrapment, murder.

Hypothetically speaking EDI's body was a machine designed to do things like... get the commanding officer of an installation drunk, sleep with him, kill him, then steal the access codes to the mainframe.

She was designed to be nasty and dirty and tight clothes and a hypersexualized appearance are just par for the course. A presence designed to instantly overpower the weakest of wills through simple seduction. Amongs a host of other... "talents".

In the context of the game... Dr. EVA's body makes perfect sense. I don't think it's distasteful. She was designed to be nasty. And she was.

But as I've already mentioned several pages back, isn't it something of a problem when a female agent employed for the purposes of subterfuge, is automatically expected to use sex as a means of infiltration?

For some reason people expect and are okay with this, and it bothers me that it doesn't seem to warrant any investigation on its own. The easy acceptance of it is worriesome in itself.

Kai Leng is another example of someone who steals information, except his methods are completely different. I can't imagine him having to seduce anyone to get what he wants, while showing off, as someone has already expressed perfectly, each individual bollock. And if you really want to push the examples further, you could use Mordin. In fact, he really was the paragon version of Eva Core and did the exact same thing. He filtered important information through the to the Krogan, and I can make a fairly accurate assumption that he never had to bat his eyelids to do it.

[MadCat221]

Well seeing that EDI's alt outfits are reskins of Miranda's body model... yeah.

Once I realized that, I just switched her outfit back to naught.

[AxisEvolve]

Dollymixtures wrote...
But as I've already mentioned several pages back, isn't it something of a problem when a female agent employed for the purposes of subterfuge, is automatically expected to use sex as a means of infiltration?

For some reason people expect and are okay with this, and it bothers me that it doesn't seem to warrant any investigation on its own. The easy acceptance of it is worriesome in itself.

Kai Leng is another example of someone who steals information, except his methods are completely different. I can't imagine him having to seduce anyone to get what he wants, while showing off, as someone has already expressed perfectly, each individual bollock. And if you really want to push the examples further, you could use Mordin. In fact, he really was the paragon version of Eva Core and did the exact same thing. He filtered important information through the to the Krogan, and I can make a fairly accurate assumption that he never had to bat his eyelids to do it.

The thing is, she was designed by Cerberus. They don't care about morality. They will kill and torture to get what they want. You can bet that they are willing to use sex as a weapon. You think Cerberus cares about sexism or objectifying women (fembots)?

The reason Kai Leng isn't sleeping around with everyone is because it's just not efficient. There is no scenerio where that would help anyone. An attractive women can (if she chooses) use her looks to gain an advantage. This isn't Bioware's cliche storytelling, it's a real world truth. 

The fact that this has created such a debate is amusing. For good or for worse, this got people talking and also got people asking "why". Why does this make me feel this way? Why are people reacting this way? Why does one accept this when an other does not accept it? It's interesting to me at least. 

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 24 mars 2012 - 08:21 .

[Dollymixtures]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Dollymixtures wrote...
But as I've already mentioned several pages back, isn't it something of a problem when a female agent employed for the purposes of subterfuge, is automatically expected to use sex as a means of infiltration?

For some reason people expect and are okay with this, and it bothers me that it doesn't seem to warrant any investigation on its own. The easy acceptance of it is worriesome in itself.

Kai Leng is another example of someone who steals information, except his methods are completely different. I can't imagine him having to seduce anyone to get what he wants, while showing off, as someone has already expressed perfectly, each individual bollock. And if you really want to push the examples further, you could use Mordin. In fact, he really was the paragon version of Eva Core and did the exact same thing. He filtered important information through the to the Krogan, and I can make a fairly accurate assumption that he never had to bat his eyelids to do it.

The thing is, she was designed by Cerberus. They don't care about morality. They will kill and torture to get what they want. You can bet that they are willing to use sex as a weapon. You think Cerberus cares about sexism or objectifying women (fembots)?

The reason Kai Leng isn't sleeping around with everyone is because it's just not efficient. There is no scenerio where that would help anyone. An attractive women can (if she chooses) use her looks to gain an advantage. This isn't Bioware's cliche storytelling, it's a real world truth. 

The fact that this has created such a debate is amusing. For good or for worse, this got people talking and also got people asking "why". Why does this make me feel this way? Why are people reacting this way? Why does one accept this when an other does not accept it? It's interesting to me at least. 

There are plenty of men who sleep around to get what they want. Take a look at the gentleman that shares a bed with Jocelyn Wildstein and tell me sex for profit is a woman-only profession. It could be argued that Kai Leng is not an unattractive guy, and has been modified by TIM. Why not cash in on his appearance too? And I guarentee that's gonna come across as laughable, and the point will be missed.

I would argue that Eva Core sleeping around isn't efficient either. She's highly intelligent and certainly physically capable (being able to hold Kaidan up with one hand while braining him is a frightening example), so she already had plenty of weapons at her disposal. She was already in the compound and had access to all the information she needed. Her using her sex-appeal is also never alluded to, given that her introduction into the series was a rather violent one. It was never mentioned whether or not she used sex. It's interesting that it's always the first thing people mention when her appearance is analysed.

But anyway, I wasn't discussing Cerberus so much as Bioware and why they chose to build her the way they did. It interests me that they gave her sexuality as a weapon (if they in fact did), and even more so that it appears to be so readily defended.

Modifié par Dollymixtures, 24 mars 2012 - 09:19 .

[sadako]

Lol, my clean image of EDI has just been destroyed. I retained her original look so i never noticed. Having a robot running around naked on ship is great for crew morale anyway.

Anway, I haven't trained my eye to look at people's crotch at first sight. Poor me.

Modifié par sadako, 24 mars 2012 - 09:33 .

[Flyers215]

syllogi wrote...

Gexora wrote...

listen, at first I was kinda repulsed by this too (and by EDI's "naked" appearance) but I can understand why they went there. Overall? It's certainly not the reason to flame the character, who is, actually, deep, caring, interesting and awesome

And I'm sure someone out there would argue that women should tolerate sexually explicit photos hung up in the workplace, because dudes love boobs, and if the job is good, why can't women just ignore the porn???

Yeah, this sounds ridiculous and unacceptable in real life because it is. Female gamers are being asked to shut up and ignore the fact that a non sexual creature was sexualized in a creepy and uncomfortable way, because dudes like boobs. Just because comic books and video games have perpetuated the nasty message, that females are only worth getting to know if they're sexually pleasing, in the past, doesn't mean that it should be acceptable forever. 

EDI could have been really cool in a body. Instead she creeps me out and makes me feel sad about being a Bioware fan. Way to go, Mass Effect devs. 

This is one thing I always loved about Shepard.  She was never over-sexualised, which I enjoy very, very much.  

I won't say I'm disappointed by EDI's body, but it just strikes me as over-the-top and unnecessary.  I would much rather have seen her in a more typical "protocol droid" type container than the ****** sporting sexbot we see.

[Agent_Dark_]

Not sure why people are so upset about this. EDI is a robot - there needs to be some sort of external port to change the oil...

[Jestina]

I never noticed that on EDI. I did on Miranda because she was waving it in TIMs face during the first scene of ME2.

[Snowship]

BrotherWarth wrote...

I think they were trying to make her look like Aeon Flux or something. I loved that cartoon, but yeah, EVA's/EDI's hair looked stupid.

+1

[mybudgee]

I support sexbots +1

[Demonique]

Where did that cameltoe outfit come from anyway? The only alt outfit EDI has in my game is the black outfit. Is it from the paid From Ashes DLC?

[Keirus]

My blood runs cold
my memory has just been soiled
my AI has a ******
AI has a ******

[xefiroEA]

I don't care if EDI's body, being an infiltration unit, should have the proper bits to fool examinations. That's fine.

What isn't excusable is giving her clothes that don't fit right, to the point of exposing those bits she has. The problem is not with her being able to pass for a human, it's with the outfit itself being so snug that the bits show. Clothes aren't supposed to be that tight, and it's not sexy to see. It's embarrassing. I'd feel bad for a woman wearing clothes that tight, and I feel bad for the animators that had to render it.

[Liraelx]

Haha damn I knew the was something not right about that white outfit when I was looking through the alternative appearances, I must've been subliminally picking up on this. classy, classy stuff XD

[Demonique]

Also, she doesn't have visible genitalia when she's not wearing any clothes so why does she have ****** when she wears clothes?

[Demonique]

Rane7685 wrote...

HJF4 wrote...

Every single female squad mate in Mass Effect is sexualized. They all have oufits that show off their curves and/or other assets.

The one female squad mate who isn't even organic gets stuck in a "sexy" robot body that the male characters drool over - except the one gay guy.

Meanwhile you have characters like Wrex, Grunt, Zaeed, Mordin, Prothean, Legion, etc.
All of the wrinked monster characters are male. This is pretty typical of Bioware.

Garrus also counts in ME1. Tali, who generally conformed to the human feminine body structure (of a curvy and thin variation) doesn't.

Edit.

So Jacob in ME2's almost latex body suit wasnt showing anything off? Wh about the salarian dalatress, or the krogan female Eve? were they overly sexualised

Dalatrass Linron and Eve aren't squadmates

lyssalu wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...
FemSheps beauty pageant was to pick the hairstyle not the whole face bu tI meant the available part of your OP. FemSheps personality renegade or paragon (or mixed) never stuck me as vacuous or sexualised.

The issue is really about how much we value appearance in general and not that devs are sexist/misogynist as it is clear that these superficial traits are endemic throughout video games regardless of gender

nah man there was a whole facebook campaign about her face, initially, and when the blonde one won because she had the prettiest face people raged because nerds fetishize redheads

the PoC ofc had the least amount of votes,

Yeah, except I distinctly remember the black Shepard having the second highest vote

Modifié par Demonique, 27 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[Liraelx]

Also if the 'it's equal because men in video games are made attractive too' arguement is still going I'm just going to leave this here because it explains things nicely.
http://goodcomics.co...-its-not-equal/

[Iron Spetsnaz]

Am I the only one that likes camel-toes?

[CptData]

920103db wrote...

You're all missing the point. EDI's ****** deserves a better ending.

Joker's ending?