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[Lucy Glitter]

Dollymixtures wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Yes, this. I have to agree. 

If we had a male character onboard the Normandy with a huge, buldging crotch and a super tight t-shirt that showed his nipples or something, I am almost sure that a lot of men would get offended. Now, if we had both? I'm all good. We don't. 

righlirughlfjbngtuihsg;roaehhthj

The equivalent would be James walking around the Normandy in a mankini.

(excuse me while I spew )

EXACTLY. 

There are now 40% of female gamers out there. Get with the times, game devs. We won't put up with this shiz.

[Rane7685]

EDI was awesome if you were instantly put off by her ****** (which I didnt even notice) then you are maligning a character for her appearance just as others love her for her appearance its not really different. People like looking at attractive things. Have you seen the default ManShep, Im straight and even I think he is hot lol. This argument is getting tired yes the women in games conform to an aesthetic ideal but so do the guys almost every protagonist Ive ever played as has been an attractive male whether it is Sheploo, Nathan Drake, or any of the others.

Where is your outrage at Jacob, or Vegas ridiculously chiselled torsos. You say the women in video games are ridiculously proportioned but so are the men. For christs sake Sheploo is modelled after one of the most successful male models ever. It really sucks that you would ignore EDI who was an awesome character before AND after she got a body.

[Knightly_BW]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Gexora wrote...

listen, at first I was kinda repulsed by this too (and by EDI's "naked" appearance) but I can understand why they went there. Overall? It's certainly not the reason to flame the character, who is, actually, deep, caring, interesting and awesome

And I'm sure someone out there would argue that women should tolerate sexually explicit photos hung up in the workplace, because dudes love boobs, and if the job is good, why can't women just ignore the porn???

Yeah, this sounds ridiculous and unacceptable in real life because it is. Female gamers are being asked to shut up and ignore the fact that a non sexual creature was sexualized in a creepy and uncomfortable way, because dudes like boobs. Just because comic books and video games have perpetuated the nasty message, that females are only worth getting to know if they're sexually pleasing, in the past, doesn't mean that it should be acceptable forever. 

EDI could have been really cool in a body. Instead she creeps me out and makes me feel sad about being a Bioware fan. Way to go, Mass Effect devs. 

Yes, this. I have to agree. 

If we had a male character onboard the Normandy with a huge, buldging crotch and a super tight t-shirt that showed his nipples or something, I am almost sure that a lot of men would get offended. Now, if we had both? I'm all good. We don't. 

righlirughlfjbngtuihsg;roaehhthj

Imagine if we had this guy in pixel-form as a companion:



Even if he had a really cool story and was a great character, a lot of people would feel uncomfortable talking to him, others calling out, "GAYYY" on YouTube vids with him to make themselves feel better. 

It's double standards TO DAH MAXIMUS. 

Quick! Someone start a support thread for this dude. I want him on Normandy... especially in my Shep's room.

[syllogi]

We need a version of Comic Book Misogyny Bingo for video games.

Modifié par syllogi, 13 mars 2012 - 02:18 .

[New Display Name]

Yes, make the sexualization equal or don't do it at all.
Bioware knows that the female fanbase for their games is large and vocal, they have little excuse now to pander to straight males almost exclusively.

[Rane7685]

HJF4 wrote...

Yes, make the sexualization equal or don't do it at all.
Bioware knows that the female fanbase for their games is large and vocal, they have little excuse now to pander to straight males almost exclusively.

The sexualisation is equal. Have you seen Jacob or Vegas chest. For ****s sake Sheploo is modelled after one of the most successful male models ever. When was the lat time you played as a male protagonist that was ugly. If you can even name one how many ugly ones can you name relative to the attractive ones. 

Yes women in games conform to an aesthetic ideal but you are kidding yourself if you think the males in games are an accurate representation of the average male

[Gexora]

Rane7685 wrote...

EDI was awesome if you were instantly put off by her ****** (which I didnt even notice) then you are maligning a character for her appearance just as others love her for her appearance its not really different. People like looking at attractive things. Have you seen the default ManShep, Im straight and even I think he is hot lol. This argument is getting tired yes the women in games conform to an aesthetic ideal but so do the guys almost every protagonist Ive ever played as has been an attractive male whether it is Sheploo, Nathan Drake, or any of the others.

Where is your outrage at Jacob, or Vegas ridiculously chiselled torsos. You say the women in video games are ridiculously proportioned but so are the men. For christs sake Sheploo is modelled after one of the most successful male models ever. It really sucks that you would ignore EDI who was an awesome character before AND after she got a body.

THIS
If some 15 year old gamer gets hots out of this, why should I care? I put EDI in black catsuit and am happy. Half-naked James was pure fanservice too. Actually, the only fanservice thing that makes me uncomfortablе is Ashley's bangs. LIKE REALLY

also, I am female

[syllogi]

Rane7685 wrote...

HJF4 wrote...

Yes, make the sexualization equal or don't do it at all.
Bioware knows that the female fanbase for their games is large and vocal, they have little excuse now to pander to straight males almost exclusively.

The sexualisation is equal. Have you seen Jacob or Vegas chest. For ****s sake Sheploo is modelled after one of the most successful male models ever. When was the lat time you played as a male protagonist that was ugly. If you can even name one how many ugly ones can you name relative to the attractive ones. 

Yes women in games conform to an aesthetic ideal but you are kidding yourself if you think the males in games are an accurate representation of the average male

When I'm forced to look at the outline of dude packages in these games, please come back with that argument.  Developers would never deliberately make male characters who are "sexy" first and everything else taking a backseat.  Jacob and Vega might be easy on the eyes for ladies, but that's secondary to making them look "buff" and "manly" so that male players will approve of them.  Jack's erect nipples don't make players feel more confident about her abilities.  EDI's metal labial folds aren't an asset to my team.

[Dollymixtures]

Rane7685 wrote...

EDI was awesome if you were instantly put off by her ****** (which I didnt even notice) then you are maligning a character for her appearance just as others love her for her appearance its not really different. People like looking at attractive things. Have you seen the default ManShep, Im straight and even I think he is hot lol. This argument is getting tired yes the women in games conform to an aesthetic ideal but so do the guys almost every protagonist Ive ever played as has been an attractive male whether it is Sheploo, Nathan Drake, or any of the others.

Where is your outrage at Jacob, or Vegas ridiculously chiselled torsos. You say the women in video games are ridiculously proportioned but so are the men. For christs sake Sheploo is modelled after one of the most successful male models ever. It really sucks that you would ignore EDI who was an awesome character before AND after she got a body.

Yes, but to be fair manShep looks the way he does so that male gamers can feel and look *cool* when they play him. If they had stuck male gamers with an overweight, gravy-stained avatar, I doubt the ME franchise would've been as popular.

When discussing Jacob, I would agree he was created to pander to female fans, but he's not obscenely dressed, nor does every other character on the Normandy remark on how attractive and "sexy" he is. As for James, he's not even a romance option, and I would be inclined to believe he was placed in the game as a 'bromance' option for manShep more than as eyecandy for the ladies who play the game. He fits the Gear of War ideal rather than that of a 'pretty-boy'.

[clonedoriginzero]

Dollymixtures wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...

EDI was awesome if you were instantly put off by her ****** (which I didnt even notice) then you are maligning a character for her appearance just as others love her for her appearance its not really different. People like looking at attractive things. Have you seen the default ManShep, Im straight and even I think he is hot lol. This argument is getting tired yes the women in games conform to an aesthetic ideal but so do the guys almost every protagonist Ive ever played as has been an attractive male whether it is Sheploo, Nathan Drake, or any of the others.

Where is your outrage at Jacob, or Vegas ridiculously chiselled torsos. You say the women in video games are ridiculously proportioned but so are the men. For christs sake Sheploo is modelled after one of the most successful male models ever. It really sucks that you would ignore EDI who was an awesome character before AND after she got a body.

Yes, but to be fair manShep looks the way he does so that male gamers can feel and look *cool* when they play him. If they had stuck male gamers with an overweight, gravy-stained avatar, I doubt the ME franchise would've been as popular.

When discussing Jacob, I would agree he was created to pander to female fans, but he's not obscenely dressed, nor does every other character on the Normandy remark on how attractive and "sexy" he is. As for James, he's not even a romance option, and I would be inclined to believe he was placed in the game as a 'bromance' option for manShep more than as eyecandy for the ladies who play the game. He fits the Gear of War ideal rather than that of a 'pretty-boy'.

i find it a bit hypocritical to say female characters are over sexualized, but then say all the overly attractive male characters with perfect chiseled bodies are for male players. come on.

sheploo is a total pretty boy. if he was really in the military he'd get mocked for it too, probably get called prettyboy constantly. you mention gears of war. guess what? marcus is ugly as sin, has a massive scar on one side of his face. so yeah.

sex sells, its appealing. you can't complain about a female being overly sexualized then say its ok when every male character is overly sexualized too.

[New Display Name]

Every single female squad mate in Mass Effect is sexualized. They all have oufits that show off their curves and/or other assets.

The one female squad mate who isn't even organic gets stuck in a "sexy" robot body that the male characters drool over - except the one gay guy.

Meanwhile you have characters like Wrex, Grunt, Zaeed, Mordin, Prothean, Legion, etc.
All of the wrinked monster characters are male. This is pretty typical of Bioware.

Garrus also counts in ME1. Tali, who generally conformed to the human feminine body structure (of a curvy and thin variation) doesn't.

Edit.

Modifié par HJF4, 13 mars 2012 - 02:50 .

[Rane7685]

syllogi wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...

HJF4 wrote...

Yes, make the sexualization equal or don't do it at all.
Bioware knows that the female fanbase for their games is large and vocal, they have little excuse now to pander to straight males almost exclusively.

The sexualisation is equal. Have you seen Jacob or Vegas chest. For ****s sake Sheploo is modelled after one of the most successful male models ever. When was the lat time you played as a male protagonist that was ugly. If you can even name one how many ugly ones can you name relative to the attractive ones. 

Yes women in games conform to an aesthetic ideal but you are kidding yourself if you think the males in games are an accurate representation of the average male

When I'm forced to look at the outline of dude packages in these games, please come back with that argument.  Developers would never deliberately make male characters who are "sexy" first and everything else taking a backseat.  Jacob and Vega might be easy on the eyes for ladies, but that's secondary to making them look "buff" and "manly" so that male players will approve of them.  Jack's erect nipples don't make players feel more confident about her abilities.  EDI's metal labial folds aren't an asset to my team.

Did you even notice the ****** prior to this thread. If you did then kudos you are much more observant than I am. Personally I wish I could unsee it. Im a straight male and I dont want to see that. I cant speak for all men but I dont find this remotely  sexy. The tone of this topic at the start was not how hot is this but rather lol look at this hahaha. My real point is people like looking att attractive things regardless of the sex. It reminds me of coments made by the Bioshock creator. He was upset because people were focused on the size of elizabeths breasts whereas he thought her eyes were more captivating. When pressed on whether it was disrespectful to women he said essentially what I said and referred the interviewer to the male character Booker Dewitt who conforms to an aesthetic ideal too. 

It really does go both ways. However where games do go too far is in the personality. If they had made EDI a salacious sexbot your frustration would be warranted. As that is not the case I feel sorry for you. You have written off a great character because of their appearance. Its  the same as disliiking someone for being ugly only in reverse. Its tragic

[Rane7685]

HJF4 wrote...

Every single female squad mate in Mass Effect is sexualized. They all have oufits that show off their curves and/or other assets.

The one female squad mate who isn't even organic gets stuck in a "sexy" robot body that the male characters drool over - except the one gay guy.

Meanwhile you have characters like Wrex, Grunt, Zaeed, Mordin, Prothean, Legion, etc.
All of the wrinked monster characters are male. This is pretty typical of Bioware.

Garrus also counts in ME1. Tali, who generally conformed to the human feminine body structure (of a curvy and thin variation) doesn't.

Edit.

So Jacob in ME2's almost latex body suit wasnt showing anything off? Wh about the salarian dalatress, or the krogan female Eve? were they overly sexualised

[Naltair]

Think the issue is that, for the angry women at least, is that gaming still relies on the male power fantasy; where men are are depicted as handsome and strong and women are depicted as sexy and available.

With EDI who isn't a salacious sex-bot, it does her a disservice.

With that said, I really like EDI, she is awesome.

Modifié par Naltair, 13 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[Rane7685]

duplicate post sorry

Modifié par Rane7685, 13 mars 2012 - 02:56 .

[Naltair]

Rane7685 wrote...

So Jacob in ME2's almost latex body suit wasnt showing anything off? Wh about the salarian dalatress, or the krogan female Eve? were they overly sexualised

Salarians and Krogan are obviously too alien for most people to find attractive, that is intentional.  This is why we have Asari.

[New Display Name]

The Dalatrass and Eve aren't squad mates.

I'm not saying Jacob wasn't made partly to be eyecandy. But when you have plenty of nonsexualized male squad mates, but every single female squad mate is sexualized (and generally in less practical outfits than the males), it's not equal.

[syllogi]

Rane7685 wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...

HJF4 wrote...

Yes, make the sexualization equal or don't do it at all.
Bioware knows that the female fanbase for their games is large and vocal, they have little excuse now to pander to straight males almost exclusively.

The sexualisation is equal. Have you seen Jacob or Vegas chest. For ****s sake Sheploo is modelled after one of the most successful male models ever. When was the lat time you played as a male protagonist that was ugly. If you can even name one how many ugly ones can you name relative to the attractive ones. 

Yes women in games conform to an aesthetic ideal but you are kidding yourself if you think the males in games are an accurate representation of the average male

When I'm forced to look at the outline of dude packages in these games, please come back with that argument.  Developers would never deliberately make male characters who are "sexy" first and everything else taking a backseat.  Jacob and Vega might be easy on the eyes for ladies, but that's secondary to making them look "buff" and "manly" so that male players will approve of them.  Jack's erect nipples don't make players feel more confident about her abilities.  EDI's metal labial folds aren't an asset to my team.

Did you even notice the ****** prior to this thread. If you did then kudos you are much more observant than I am. Personally I wish I could unsee it. Im a straight male and I dont want to see that. I cant speak for all men but I dont find this remotely  sexy. The tone of this topic at the start was not how hot is this but rather lol look at this hahaha. My real point is people like looking att attractive things regardless of the sex. It reminds me of coments made by the Bioshock creator. He was upset because people were focused on the size of elizabeths breasts whereas he thought her eyes were more captivating. When pressed on whether it was disrespectful to women he said essentially what I said and referred the interviewer to the male character Booker Dewitt who conforms to an aesthetic ideal too. 

It really does go both ways. However where games do go too far is in the personality. If they had made EDI a salacious sexbot your frustration would be warranted. As that is not the case I feel sorry for you. You have written off a great character because of their appearance. Its  the same as disliiking someone for being ugly only in reverse. Its tragic

Again, come back and tell me how open minded you are when confronted with a shiny, nearly naked male character with a bulging, clearly defined package, who has an AWESOME personality that makes you look past the gross and cheap pandering.

Again, tell me why it's acceptable to force women, who may not find other women sexually attractive, to be subjected to clearly sexualized characters whose appearance has nothing to do with their personalities and everything to do with making them ****** material for dudes.

Again, this would not be acceptable in real life.  This attitude would get people fired in real life.  Telling women to get over it in entertainment is just going to make female gamers find other forms of entertainment that don't subject them to this message.

Modifié par syllogi, 13 mars 2012 - 02:58 .

[Knightly_BW]

syllogi wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...

HJF4 wrote...

Yes, make the sexualization equal or don't do it at all.
Bioware knows that the female fanbase for their games is large and vocal, they have little excuse now to pander to straight males almost exclusively.

The sexualisation is equal. Have you seen Jacob or Vegas chest. For ****s sake Sheploo is modelled after one of the most successful male models ever. When was the lat time you played as a male protagonist that was ugly. If you can even name one how many ugly ones can you name relative to the attractive ones. 

Yes women in games conform to an aesthetic ideal but you are kidding yourself if you think the males in games are an accurate representation of the average male

When I'm forced to look at the outline of dude packages in these games, please come back with that argument.  Developers would never deliberately make male characters who are "sexy" first and everything else taking a backseat.  Jacob and Vega might be easy on the eyes for ladies, but that's secondary to making them look "buff" and "manly" so that male players will approve of them.  Jack's erect nipples don't make players feel more confident about her abilities.  EDI's metal labial folds aren't an asset to my team.

Come on, Jacob and Vega are ugly as hell. Jacob's head too big for his body and Vega most of the time feels like he don't have a neck, especially in armor. In the end I find both those guys utterly repulsive. Plus they are least intelligent creatures in Normandy.

Fit characters ain't there to please female gamers, they are there to represent those guys are fighters. When you take a look which one looks more like a soldier? Vega or Mordin?

What kind of logical reason is there to put a genitalia to a robot's body. They don't reproduce or have natural needs like humans. Only reason can be pleasing its creators fantasies. If Eva was Adam, Adam had Dr. Manhattan like body(with dangling tools) and EDI'd possed his body who would be happy? Or suddenly those EDI supporters turn into whiners to Bioware for ruining their games with an abomination.

[Dollymixtures]

clonedoriginzero wrote...

Dollymixtures wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...

EDI was awesome if you were instantly put off by her ****** (which I didnt even notice) then you are maligning a character for her appearance just as others love her for her appearance its not really different. People like looking at attractive things. Have you seen the default ManShep, Im straight and even I think he is hot lol. This argument is getting tired yes the women in games conform to an aesthetic ideal but so do the guys almost every protagonist Ive ever played as has been an attractive male whether it is Sheploo, Nathan Drake, or any of the others.

Where is your outrage at Jacob, or Vegas ridiculously chiselled torsos. You say the women in video games are ridiculously proportioned but so are the men. For christs sake Sheploo is modelled after one of the most successful male models ever. It really sucks that you would ignore EDI who was an awesome character before AND after she got a body.

Yes, but to be fair manShep looks the way he does so that male gamers can feel and look *cool* when they play him. If they had stuck male gamers with an overweight, gravy-stained avatar, I doubt the ME franchise would've been as popular.

When discussing Jacob, I would agree he was created to pander to female fans, but he's not obscenely dressed, nor does every other character on the Normandy remark on how attractive and "sexy" he is. As for James, he's not even a romance option, and I would be inclined to believe he was placed in the game as a 'bromance' option for manShep more than as eyecandy for the ladies who play the game. He fits the Gear of War ideal rather than that of a 'pretty-boy'.

i find it a bit hypocritical to say female characters are over sexualized, but then say all the overly attractive male characters with perfect chiseled bodies are for male players. come on.

sheploo is a total pretty boy. if he was really in the military he'd get mocked for it too, probably get called prettyboy constantly. you mention gears of war. guess what? marcus is ugly as sin, has a massive scar on one side of his face. so yeah.

sex sells, its appealing. you can't complain about a female being overly sexualized then say its ok when every male character is overly sexualized too.

But that's the thing, I don't think any of the males in ME are over-sexualized. You can make an argument that they tried with Jacob, but his romance played out weirdly because of it. The flirting between him and femShep reminded me of a scene from The Graduate. Despite the pandering, Jacob ended up as one of the least popular romance options.

Sheploo, I agree is 'pretty', but I can't understand how that would've been done for my, or any other female-gamer's benefit, because we are unlikely to play him, and thus see him outside of marketing.

And James isn't particularly pretty. He's scarred, mohawked and you could use his brow as a launch-pad. In fact, when I first saw him I found him to be a bit 'pug-like' facially, and it took time for me to develop any attraction to his appearance. I would say getting to know his character is what made him attractive to me. As it is, and I may be in the minority on this, I don't find his physical bulk remotely appealing. I would suggest his size is used to radiate a sense of toughness rather than an attempt to make him overly sexy.

[Arlionis]

So, what about male Shepard? the guy's body looks like the body of the Greek god Apollo! he has a better body than 99% of the males in the planet, yet I don't see anyone protesting about that or labeling it as "sexist".

[Rane7685]

Naltair wrote...

Think the issue is that, for the angry women at least, is that gaming still relies on the male power fantasy; where men are are depicted as handsome and strong and women are depicted as sexy and available.

With EDI who isn't a salacious sex-bot, it does her a disservice.

FemShep hardly conforms to this trope. I can kind of see your point but I still believe availability is conveyed more through dialogue. Look I cant defend every decision and I wont pretend its an even split men do care more about looks than women generally bu we care less about money and status in our partners. Nevertheless the men do conform to a sexual ideal. You cant really say that the tall statuesque man that ladies would admire is purely for the guy's benefit. Im sure there are plenty of guys who would like the hot chick to fall for their average jo protagonist. I think leisure suit larry focussed on that

[New Display Name]

Arlionis wrote...

So, what about male Shepard? the guy's body looks like the body of the Greek god Apollo! he has a better body than 99% of the males in the planet, yet I don't see anyone protesting about that or labeling it as "sexist".

He has the same body model as every other male besides Vega.
Moreover, I don't have to see him wear something revealing, like I do with Miranda, Jack, EDI, etc.

You only really get to see his body if you do a romance scene, in which case you're asking for it.

[Dollymixtures]

Arlionis wrote...

So, what about male Shepard? the guy's body looks like the body of the Greek god Apollo! he has a better body than 99% of the males in the planet, yet I don't see anyone protesting about that or labeling it as "sexist".

Yes, but as I've already stated, it can't have been done for the benfit of female-gamers. Women are unlikely to play him, so it would have been a very wasted, not to mention expensive, opportunity.

He looks the way he does so that people who play him can feel good-looking, strong and capable. The same can be said for femShep's body-type. She's slim and inoffensive physically, and makes the person playing her feel fit and healthy.

I can't imagine if they had provided Homer Simpson as the player-character, there wouldn't have been at least some complaints.

[Rane7685]

Dollymixtures wrote...

clonedoriginzero wrote...

Dollymixtures wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...

EDI was awesome if you were instantly put off by her ****** (which I didnt even notice) then you are maligning a character for her appearance just as others love her for her appearance its not really different. People like looking at attractive things. Have you seen the default ManShep, Im straight and even I think he is hot lol. This argument is getting tired yes the women in games conform to an aesthetic ideal but so do the guys almost every protagonist Ive ever played as has been an attractive male whether it is Sheploo, Nathan Drake, or any of the others.

Where is your outrage at Jacob, or Vegas ridiculously chiselled torsos. You say the women in video games are ridiculously proportioned but so are the men. For christs sake Sheploo is modelled after one of the most successful male models ever. It really sucks that you would ignore EDI who was an awesome character before AND after she got a body.

Yes, but to be fair manShep looks the way he does so that male gamers can feel and look *cool* when they play him. If they had stuck male gamers with an overweight, gravy-stained avatar, I doubt the ME franchise would've been as popular.

When discussing Jacob, I would agree he was created to pander to female fans, but he's not obscenely dressed, nor does every other character on the Normandy remark on how attractive and "sexy" he is. As for James, he's not even a romance option, and I would be inclined to believe he was placed in the game as a 'bromance' option for manShep more than as eyecandy for the ladies who play the game. He fits the Gear of War ideal rather than that of a 'pretty-boy'.

i find it a bit hypocritical to say female characters are over sexualized, but then say all the overly attractive male characters with perfect chiseled bodies are for male players. come on.

sheploo is a total pretty boy. if he was really in the military he'd get mocked for it too, probably get called prettyboy constantly. you mention gears of war. guess what? marcus is ugly as sin, has a massive scar on one side of his face. so yeah.

sex sells, its appealing. you can't complain about a female being overly sexualized then say its ok when every male character is overly sexualized too.

But that's the thing, I don't think any of the males in ME are over-sexualized. You can make an argument that they tried with Jacob, but his romance played out weirdly because of it. The flirting between him and femShep reminded me of a scene from The Graduate. Despite the pandering, Jacob ended up as one of the least popular romance options.

Sheploo, I agree is 'pretty', but I can't understand how that would've been done for my, or any other female-gamer's benefit, because we are unlikely to play him, and thus see him outside of marketing.

And James isn't particularly pretty. He's scarred, mohawked and you could use his brow as a launch-pad. In fact, when I first saw him I found him to be a bit 'pug-like' facially, and it took time for me to develop any attraction to his appearance. I would say getting to know his character is what made him attractive to me. As it is, and I may be in the minority on this, I don't find his physical bulk remotely appealing. I would suggest his size is used to radiate a sense of toughness rather than an attempt to make him overly sexy.

I dont seem to be communicating well let me try this; People, both male and female, like pretty things there are tonnes of studies on this. You get better court verdicts if you are pretty etc etc. Sheploo was not made attractive to appeal to guys. He is made attractive to appeal to people regardless of sex. Game characters conform to a aesthetic ideal because of this feature of the human condition. Both the females AND males represent this.

This is not to say gamer-girls (the players) arent done injustices by devs. Hyper-sexualised personalities is a different thing entirely, although occasionally it can work (I loved DA2 Isabella). My point is attractive women is not a slap at gaming girls its a reflection of what humans in general value