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[RZIBARA]

General Slotts wrote...

 Wow I kinda feel the need to defend Ashley here, at least in regards to Horizon. People need to look at it from her perspective, Shepard shows up after two years and all he can say is A) its my first day space magic. She believe's Shepard is outright lying to her, and a pretty unbelievable lie at that. Of course we know better, but considering that most of us have ripped the Lazarus Project a time or two why do we expect Ashley to believe such nonesense. I would feel betrayed as well. 

Worded it beautifully

General Slotts wrote...

Also I would like to pose a question to Massive, if the roles were reversed do you honestly believe Miranda would respond any different? In that I mean if Shepard had been a former Cerberus Operative and had been involved romantically or otherwise with Miranda during that time, and showed up after two years in the Alliance with some ludicrous story. Personally while I think Miranda would be more open minded about the Alliance affiliation initially, she would still feel pretty damn betrayed. Probably holding just as much if not more of a grudge because of it.     

no because Miranda is bestest character ever.

[RZIBARA]

StreetMagic wrote...

Ashley isn't forcing religion on you when you talk about Akuze. She's just acknowledging that Shepard has been through crazy **** and thinks someone must be watching over them. Akuze is more symbolic though - Sole Survivor Shepard is crazy in general. Jenkins says Shepard is always being thrown into impossible situations.

nope. This just makes her a religious zealot

/sarcasm

[Gkonone]

XxShadow82xX wrote...

Gkonone wrote...


She will always be my favorite LI though, beautiful inside and out, and misunderstood.

Well said.

As Shepard says in ME3, the cabin scene, 'it's always been you Ash'  

I will miss her dearly in ME4.

Modifié par Gkonone, 11 septembre 2013 - 12:22 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

Ashley isn't forcing religion on you when you talk about Akuze. She's just acknowledging that Shepard has been through crazy **** and thinks someone must be watching over them. Akuze is more symbolic though - Sole Survivor Shepard is crazy in general. Jenkins says Shepard is always being thrown into impossible situations.

I took the Renegade option there. Ashley gets pretty... defensive about Shepard having a guardian angel.

No one is watching my Shepard. He doesn't need an invisible best buddy to get him through hard situations. My Shepard's also the kind of guy who literally can't get PTSD. Things can be disturbing, and he can get angry about things, but nothing really affects him, at least nothing on the more physical level.

[Br3admax]

Yeah I can understand why Ashley walks away. And I can sort of understand her attitude in ME3. I certainly thought that Ashley talking about her sisters and her brother-in-law dying where a lot more personal than, "Shepard. My sister's been kidnapped. My loyalty mission was pointless." or "Lol, I'm a teacher." and the best, "They trusted me with even more authority, despite the fact that every single soldier except for one has died when I lead them. Hold my hand, Shepard." All of that stuff is just as stupid as Ashley lacking dialogue. A lot of LIs were short changed. Ashleymancers may not have all the content, but at least the bits that get through aren't feces wrapped in pink bows.

[Br3admax]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Ashley isn't forcing religion on you when you talk about Akuze. She's just acknowledging that Shepard has been through crazy **** and thinks someone must be watching over them. Akuze is more symbolic though - Sole Survivor Shepard is crazy in general. Jenkins says Shepard is always being thrown into impossible situations.

I took the Renegade option there. Ashley gets pretty... defensive about Shepard having a guardian angel.

No one is watching my Shepard. He doesn't need an invisible best buddy to get him through hard situations. My Shepard's also the kind of guy who literally can't get PTSD. Things can be disturbing, and he can get angry about things, but nothing really affects him, at least nothing on the more physical level.

He sounds like a psychopath. Yeah, obviously someone, human or not, is watching out for him because somebody really needs to put a bullet in his head. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 11 septembre 2013 - 12:25 .

[RZIBARA]

Gkonone wrote...

XxShadow82xX wrote...

Gkonone wrote...


She will always be my favorite LI though, beautiful inside and out, and misunderstood.

Well said.

As Shepard says in ME3, the cabin scene, 'it's always been you Ash'  

I will miss her dearly in ME4.

isnt she the only one shepard say "I love you" to before she does (in a faithful romance)?

[RZIBARA]

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Ashley isn't forcing religion on you when you talk about Akuze. She's just acknowledging that Shepard has been through crazy **** and thinks someone must be watching over them. Akuze is more symbolic though - Sole Survivor Shepard is crazy in general. Jenkins says Shepard is always being thrown into impossible situations.

I took the Renegade option there. Ashley gets pretty... defensive about Shepard having a guardian angel.

No one is watching my Shepard. He doesn't need an invisible best buddy to get him through hard situations. My Shepard's also the kind of guy who literally can't get PTSD. Things can be disturbing, and he can get angry about things, but nothing really affects him, at least nothing on the more physical level.

He sounds like a psychopath. Yeah, obviously someone, human or not, is watching out for him because somebody really needs to put a bullet in his head. 

HHAHAHAHAHA, have i told you how awesome you are?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

General Slotts wrote...

 Wow I kinda feel the need to defend Ashley here, at least in regards to Horizon. People need to look at it from her perspective, Shepard shows up after two years and all he can say is A) its my first day space magic. She believe's Shepard is outright lying to her, and a pretty unbelievable lie at that. Of course we know better, but considering that most of us have ripped the Lazarus Project a time or two why do we expect Ashley to believe such nonesense. I would feel betrayed as well. 

I still can't feel any sympathy for her there. She gets too hung up on her emotions. What the hell was she expecting? I was dead, and now I'm back. Simple as that. She gets too angry and upset way too early, and doesn't have much of an open mind.

Also I would like to pose a question to Massive, if the roles were reversed do you honestly believe Miranda would respond any different? In that I mean if Shepard had been a former Cerberus Operative and had been involved romantically or otherwise with Miranda during that time, and showed up after two years in the Alliance with some ludicrous story. Personally while I think Miranda would be more open minded about the Alliance affiliation initially, she would still feel pretty damn betrayed. Probably holding just as much if not more of a grudge because of it.     

Yes, I do believe she'd respond differently. Miranda would certainly question Shepard's story, but she wouldn't outright reject him and go on a little hissy-fit like Ashley would. Shepard would have some explaining to do. But Miranda would listen. I don't see why'd she'd feel betrayed at all. If Shepard explained everything, I think she'd still be a bit apprehensive, but she wouldn't do the "I loved you, but you're not with the alliance, so now I hate you!" that Ashley does.

[RZIBARA]

Br3ad wrote...

Yeah I can understand why Ashley walks away. And I can sort of understand her attitude in ME3. I certainly thought that Ashley talking about her sisters and her brother-in-law dying where a lot more personal than, "Shepard. My sister's been kidnapped. My loyalty mission was pointless." or "Lol, I'm a teacher." and the best, "They trusted me with even more authority, despite the fact that every single soldier except for one has died when I lead them. Hold my hand, Shepard." All of that stuff is just as stupid as Ashley lacking dialogue. A lot of LIs were short changed. Ashleymancers may not have all the content, but at least the bits that get through aren't feces wrapped in pink bows.

Yep. Miranda had a useless rehash, and Tali needed shepards help again as usual. Jack's wasnt terrible (it showed character developement at least). 

The only thing i complain about for ashley is the deleted scene and bugged dialogue, as well as not enough squad interactions

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Ashley isn't forcing religion on you when you talk about Akuze. She's just acknowledging that Shepard has been through crazy **** and thinks someone must be watching over them. Akuze is more symbolic though - Sole Survivor Shepard is crazy in general. Jenkins says Shepard is always being thrown into impossible situations.

I took the Renegade option there. Ashley gets pretty... defensive about Shepard having a guardian angel.

No one is watching my Shepard. He doesn't need an invisible best buddy to get him through hard situations. My Shepard's also the kind of guy who literally can't get PTSD. Things can be disturbing, and he can get angry about things, but nothing really affects him, at least nothing on the more physical level.

I took the Renegade option too. It doesn't mean she's forcing religion on me. I'm not that sensitive about it. It's just a difference in opinion and why she thinks Shep keeps staying alive. Big ****ing deal.

Because it's about me, and she is not going to get it in her head that some imaginary dude is keeping me alive. She better learn fast that it is an objective truth that my skill (and circumstance that is random though certainly not divine) is what is keeping me alive.

[David7204]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I still can't feel any sympathy for her there. She gets too hung up on her emotions. What the hell was she expecting? I was dead, and now I'm back. Simple as that. She gets too angry and upset way too early, and doesn't have much of an open mind/

Refresh my memory. Are you one of the people who likes to complain how stupid Lazarus is because it was supposedly unaddressed? 

[RZIBARA]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

 Wow I kinda feel the need to defend Ashley here, at least in regards to Horizon. People need to look at it from her perspective, Shepard shows up after two years and all he can say is A) its my first day space magic. She believe's Shepard is outright lying to her, and a pretty unbelievable lie at that. Of course we know better, but considering that most of us have ripped the Lazarus Project a time or two why do we expect Ashley to believe such nonesense. I would feel betrayed as well. 

I still can't feel any sympathy for her there. She gets too hung up on her emotions. What the hell was she expecting? I was dead, and now I'm back. Simple as that. She gets too angry and upset way too early, and doesn't have much of an open mind.

Also I would like to pose a question to Massive, if the roles were reversed do you honestly believe Miranda would respond any different? In that I mean if Shepard had been a former Cerberus Operative and had been involved romantically or otherwise with Miranda during that time, and showed up after two years in the Alliance with some ludicrous story. Personally while I think Miranda would be more open minded about the Alliance affiliation initially, she would still feel pretty damn betrayed. Probably holding just as much if not more of a grudge because of it.     

Yes, I do believe she'd respond differently. Miranda would certainly question Shepard's story, but she wouldn't outright reject him and go on a little hissy-fit like Ashley would. Shepard would have some explaining to do. But Miranda would listen. I don't see why'd she'd feel betrayed at all. If Shepard explained everything, I think she'd still be a bit apprehensive, but she wouldn't do the "I loved you, but you're not with the alliance, so now I hate you!" that Ashley does.

she doesnt state she hates him. She tells him goodluck, and as i mentioned emails him after

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Gkonone wrote...

XxShadow82xX wrote...

Gkonone wrote...


She will always be my favorite LI though, beautiful inside and out, and misunderstood.

Well said.

As Shepard says in ME3, the cabin scene, 'it's always been you Ash'  

I will miss her dearly in ME4.

My favorite line from Ashley:

"I hope the Reapers send you to Hell!"

And I proceeded to destroy the Reapers.

[RZIBARA]

Davids in!! OH DAMN

[MassivelyEffective0730]

RZIBARA wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

 Wow I kinda feel the need to defend Ashley here, at least in regards to Horizon. People need to look at it from her perspective, Shepard shows up after two years and all he can say is A) its my first day space magic. She believe's Shepard is outright lying to her, and a pretty unbelievable lie at that. Of course we know better, but considering that most of us have ripped the Lazarus Project a time or two why do we expect Ashley to believe such nonesense. I would feel betrayed as well. 

I still can't feel any sympathy for her there. She gets too hung up on her emotions. What the hell was she expecting? I was dead, and now I'm back. Simple as that. She gets too angry and upset way too early, and doesn't have much of an open mind.

Also I would like to pose a question to Massive, if the roles were reversed do you honestly believe Miranda would respond any different? In that I mean if Shepard had been a former Cerberus Operative and had been involved romantically or otherwise with Miranda during that time, and showed up after two years in the Alliance with some ludicrous story. Personally while I think Miranda would be more open minded about the Alliance affiliation initially, she would still feel pretty damn betrayed. Probably holding just as much if not more of a grudge because of it.     

Yes, I do believe she'd respond differently. Miranda would certainly question Shepard's story, but she wouldn't outright reject him and go on a little hissy-fit like Ashley would. Shepard would have some explaining to do. But Miranda would listen. I don't see why'd she'd feel betrayed at all. If Shepard explained everything, I think she'd still be a bit apprehensive, but she wouldn't do the "I loved you, but you're not with the alliance, so now I hate you!" that Ashley does.

she doesnt state she hates him. She tells him goodluck, and as i mentioned emails him after

Her email means nothing. The only feeling my Shepard has left at that point is bitter indifference about her. She's a problem, like so many other things, that will need to be dealt with one way or another later.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I still can't feel any sympathy for her there. She gets too hung up on her emotions. What the hell was she expecting? I was dead, and now I'm back. Simple as that. She gets too angry and upset way too early, and doesn't have much of an open mind/

Refresh my memory. Are you one of the people who likes to complain how stupid Lazarus is because it was supposedly unaddressed? 

No.

[RZIBARA]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Gkonone wrote...

XxShadow82xX wrote...

Gkonone wrote...


She will always be my favorite LI though, beautiful inside and out, and misunderstood.

Well said.

As Shepard says in ME3, the cabin scene, 'it's always been you Ash'  

I will miss her dearly in ME4.

My favorite line from Ashley:

"I hope the Reapers send you to Hell!"

And I proceeded to destroy the Reapers.

she never says that to me. and you're such a dick to your former squadmates, you deserve that type of comment

[XxShadow82xX]

Oh Keelah! *Facepalm*

[Steelcan]

RZIBARA wrote...

Davids in!! OH DAMN

He brings together everyone with his stupidity wisdom of heroism

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Ashley isn't forcing religion on you when you talk about Akuze. She's just acknowledging that Shepard has been through crazy **** and thinks someone must be watching over them. Akuze is more symbolic though - Sole Survivor Shepard is crazy in general. Jenkins says Shepard is always being thrown into impossible situations.

I took the Renegade option there. Ashley gets pretty... defensive about Shepard having a guardian angel.

No one is watching my Shepard. He doesn't need an invisible best buddy to get him through hard situations. My Shepard's also the kind of guy who literally can't get PTSD. Things can be disturbing, and he can get angry about things, but nothing really affects him, at least nothing on the more physical level.

He sounds like a psychopath. Yeah, obviously someone, human or not, is watching out for him because somebody really needs to put a bullet in his head. 

He is, more or less, a sociopath. Not a psychopath since he doesn't have a desire to kill constantly, but he does lack normal human empathy levels. But no, why would anyone want to kill my Shepard? His enemies do have a way of dying.

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I still can't feel any sympathy for her there. She gets too hung up on her emotions. What the hell was she expecting? I was dead, and now I'm back. Simple as that. She gets too angry and upset way too early, and doesn't have much of an open mind/

Refresh my memory. Are you one of the people who likes to complain how stupid Lazarus is because it was supposedly unaddressed? 

Dude! Where were you when we were discussing Liara's boobs saving her from omni-blades? 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

RZIBARA wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Gkonone wrote...

XxShadow82xX wrote...

Gkonone wrote...


She will always be my favorite LI though, beautiful inside and out, and misunderstood.

Well said.

As Shepard says in ME3, the cabin scene, 'it's always been you Ash'  

I will miss her dearly in ME4.

My favorite line from Ashley:

"I hope the Reapers send you to Hell!"

And I proceeded to destroy the Reapers.

she never says that to me. and you're such a dick to your former squadmates, you deserve that type of comment

I don't care about what I 'deserve'. I can say she deserved the bullet to the gut that she got.

That felt pretty righteous.