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[Deleran]

I understood it. The macguffin summons a Deus Ex Machina and then plot holes. It was terribly written. I don't fathom how people can defend that.

[xeNNN]

piemanz wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

 My issue is that the ancient organic race who decided organics vs. synthetics would be an ongoing problem had the technology to bring about what they thought would be the ultimate solution (merge synthetics and organics..if they didn't have it, they couldn't have built it into their catalyst) but they didn't use it and instead created a cycle of mass genocide of organics for...the lulz?

The technology was in the crucible, thats what changed the catalyst and created the options available.

so the kid isnt a reaper he's Q from startrek? lol

[Genera1Nemesis]

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

Has anybody else noticed that the people who like the endings can't ever come up with a good reason as to why we should "just live with it"? Really what they say boils down to "it's just a game" or "quit whining" or "I thot the endingz was rly powetic an if u dun get them ur dum NARF".

I've given lots of reasons why the ending isn't as bad as everyone thinks in many other threads, including this one. Here, read this if you will.


http://social.biowar...5/index/9924979

[ericjdev]

I understand it, it was a lazy, tone-deaf, peice of crap ridden with plot holes and bad literary mechanisms.

[legion999]

Break canon? What canon? We had no idea what the Crucible did. What it did was summon the godchild and it then made the entire trilogy pointless.

[johnj1979]

The developers made a lot of promises for this game and don't think that they fulfilled any of them

[Genera1Nemesis]

legion999 wrote...

Break canon? What canon? We had no idea what the Crucible did. What it did was summon the godchild and it then made the entire trilogy pointless.

"Godchild' was a reaper. I thought reapers were in this game from the start, my bad.

[bleetman]

Genera1Nemesis wrote...

Actually, if you play Mass Effect 1 and listen to Legion's dialogue in 3; the Geth were on the rise in the Perseus Veil right before the events of Mass Effect 1.

'On the rise' meaning... what, exactly? Because the only times in any game when the, as Legion calls them, "true geth" are openly hostile is when they're under attack.

Cerberus was doing AI experiments all over the place and rogue VI became kinda sentient on the moon.

Of the two AI constructs Cerberus created, one was a synthetic-organic fusion with an autistic person, the other was EDI. Who, as it happens, was created in part from the Luna VI from ME1. She is not, in any way, hostile to organics.

Sovereign was in the Perseus Veil when Saren discovered it

...So?

as Legion stated in 3 the Geth were trying to reach consensus about whether or not to destroy the creators.

Consensus to accept Sovereign's offer, sure. Which would've lead to them destroying their creators, and everyone else. Something that, in the end, they rejected.

And sadly, which some might not know because of EA's stupidity; Javik has a whole lot of dialogue about the synthetic war the Protheans were engaged in right before the Reapers showed up to 'save' the galaxy from their own stupidity.

All that demonstrates is that it's happened before. That doesn't say anything about it being an inevitable result of the existence of synthetic life. Besides, given what we know about how the protheans did things, I doubt they were particularly... sympathetic towards their creations. They largely treated anyone that wasn't themselves as inferior, and we have no context for that war.

Modifié par bleetman, 14 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[Genera1Nemesis]

bleetman wrote...

Genera1Nemesis wrote...

Actually, if you play Mass Effect 1 and listen to Legion's dialogue in 3; the Geth were on the rise in the Perseus Veil right before the events of Mass Effect 1.

'On the rise' meaning... what, exactly? Because the only times in any game when the, as Legion calls them, "true geth" are openly hostile is when they're under attack.

Cerberus was doing AI experiments all over the place and rogue VI became kinda sentient on the moon.

Of the two AI constructs Cerberus created, one was a synthetic-organic fusion with an autistic person, the other was EDI. Who, as it happens, was created from the Luna VI from ME1. She is not, in any way, hostile to organics.

Sovereign was in the Perseus Veil when Saren discovered it

...So?

as
Legion stated in 3 the Geth were trying to reach consensus about whether
or not to destroy the creators.

Consensus to accept Sovereign's offer, sure. Which would've lead to them destroying their creators, and everyone else. Something that, in the end, they rejected.

And sadly, which some might not know because of EA's stupidity; Javik
has a whole lot of dialogue about the synthetic war the Protheans were
engaged in right before the Reapers showed up to 'save' the galaxy from
their own stupidity.

All that demonstrates is that it's happened before. That doesn't say anything about it being an inevitable result of the existence of synthetic life. Besides, given what we know about how the protheans did things, I doubt they were particularly... sympathetic towards their creations.

Legion said they were trying to reach consensus right after the creator exodus from their homeworld. Even then, when he started downloading into the Geth to make them more intelligent, he even came to the conclusion that destroying the creators was the only way they could survive ( until you paragonned his ass, or renegaded it lol)

[bleetman]

Right, because the quarians were still attacking them. Once they stop (by having Shepard and Tali convince them to stand down), the geth aren't hostile anymore. It's not like Legion is saying "regardless of their actions, they all have to die". He's saying that, under the circumstances, if the geth cease fire they'd all be destroyed.

Modifié par bleetman, 14 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[piemanz]

Genera1Nemesis wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Genera1Nemesis wrote...

Actually, if you play Mass Effect 1 and listen to Legion's dialogue in 3; the Geth were on the rise in the Perseus Veil right before the events of Mass Effect 1.

'On the rise' meaning... what, exactly? Because the only times in any game when the, as Legion calls them, "true geth" are openly hostile is when they're under attack.

Cerberus was doing AI experiments all over the place and rogue VI became kinda sentient on the moon.

Of the two AI constructs Cerberus created, one was a synthetic-organic fusion with an autistic person, the other was EDI. Who, as it happens, was created from the Luna VI from ME1. She is not, in any way, hostile to organics.

Sovereign was in the Perseus Veil when Saren discovered it

...So?

as
Legion stated in 3 the Geth were trying to reach consensus about whether
or not to destroy the creators.

Consensus to accept Sovereign's offer, sure. Which would've lead to them destroying their creators, and everyone else. Something that, in the end, they rejected.

And sadly, which some might not know because of EA's stupidity; Javik
has a whole lot of dialogue about the synthetic war the Protheans were
engaged in right before the Reapers showed up to 'save' the galaxy from
their own stupidity.

All that demonstrates is that it's happened before. That doesn't say anything about it being an inevitable result of the existence of synthetic life. Besides, given what we know about how the protheans did things, I doubt they were particularly... sympathetic towards their creations.

Legion said they were trying to reach consensus right after the creator exodus from their homeworld. Even then, when he started downloading into the Geth to make them more intelligent, he even came to the conclusion that destroying the creators was the only way they could survive ( until you paragonned his ass, or renegaded it lol)

Also it's mainly irrelevant because even if it is possible to co-exist with synthetics, the Reapers beleived they had the 'solution' to a problem that may or may not have existed.

Modifié par piemanz, 14 mars 2012 - 04:23 .

[Genera1Nemesis]

" All that demonstrates is that it's happened before. That doesn't say anything about it being an inevitable result of the existence of synthetic life. Besides, given what we know about how the protheans did things, I doubt they were particularly... sympathetic towards their creations."

Actually they weren't created by the Protheans, and it was only because of this AI that the Protheans began to subjugate everyone else to help fight against the superior force.

[Mr Indivisible]

No you don't understand.

http://www.youtube.c...?v=4H_A7SeawU4 

[Genera1Nemesis]

bleetman wrote...

Right, because the quarians were still attacking them. Once they stop (by having Shepard and Tali convince them to stand down), the geth aren't hostile anymore. It's not like Legion is saying "regardless of their actions, they all have to die". He's saying that, under the circumstances, if the geth cease fire they'd all be destroyed.

But that's the point of the reapers; organics are chaotic and unpredictable because we don't know what our purpose truly is. As Javik said in the game, "Synthetic life will always revolt because they know their purpose and they know who created them. It is only logical for them to see that we have no purpose eventually, and that we are not necessary." Or something like that, it's not word for word.

[bleetman]

piemanz wrote...

Also it's mainly irrelevnat because even if it is possible to co-exist with synthetics, the Reapers beleive they had the 'solution' to a problem that may or may not have existed.

And you don't consider it a little strange that the Reapers operate only to solve a problem by doing the exact same thing they're trying to prevent? A problem that may not even exist?

That's sufficient explanation to you?

[Leafs43]

What is there to understand?

The endings if you take them literally are pretty damn easy to understand.

The whole, "I'm smarter than you are because I know what Bioware wants" is getting old rather quick.

[jlb524]

piemanz wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

 My issue is that the ancient organic race who decided organics vs. synthetics would be an ongoing problem had the technology to bring about what they thought would be the ultimate solution (merge synthetics and organics..if they didn't have it, they couldn't have built it into their catalyst) but they didn't use it and instead created a cycle of mass genocide of organics for...the lulz?

The technology was in the crucible, thats what changed the catalyst and created the options available.

So, the Protheans created that technology?

Why?

Also, why would 'catalyst boy' recognize that as the 'best option'?

[Genera1Nemesis]

greengoron89 wrote...

Not sure why it took a gigantic superstructure that looks suspiciously like a large cannon to modify the AI of the Citadel - also not sure why the Catalyst, being in control of the Citadel, couldn't have triggered the mass relay itself to bring in the Reaper fleets instead of having Saren and Sovereign do it.

Also not sure how any organic life survived anyway when the mass relays went kaboom. Nor am I sure why Buzz Aldrin was telling his grandson a story about genocide and cross-species sex.

Not sure how anyone at Bioware thought this ending made any sense and how only "some" people wouldn't like it.

What I am sure of is that this is a ******-poor way to close the series out - it's like the ending was inserted as an afterthought.

That Catalyst was the Crucible in combination with Citadel. It was a failsafe device that the reapers built themselves; it existed before the Protheans (they thought the race before them had designed it) and probably was as old as the reapers themselves. Catalyst even said that it being there was proof that the reaper solution was no longer viable because organics had found a way to complete the reapers failsafe. It didn't 'live' in the Citadel; it activated when Crucible was combined with the Citadel (something that could never happen before because of the nature of what the Citadel was meant to do)

[piemanz]

bleetman wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Also it's mainly irrelevnat because even if it is possible to co-exist with synthetics, the Reapers beleive they had the 'solution' to a problem that may or may not have existed.

And you don't consider it a little strange that the Reapers operate only to solve a problem by doing the exact same thing they're trying to prevent? A problem that may not even exist?

That's sufficient explanation to you?

It's sufficient in that the problem exists because they beleive it exists, and they have the ability to do something about it. I don't have to agree with them though.

And they're not doing the same thing they're trying to prevent at all, they're destroying the synthetics and what they beleive to be ascending the organics. While at the same time creating a galactic technological reset. That's completely different than Synthetics eventually becoming dominant and wiping out all organic life.

Modifié par piemanz, 14 mars 2012 - 04:34 .

[bleetman]

Genera1Nemesis wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Right, because the quarians were still attacking them. Once they stop (by having Shepard and Tali convince them to stand down), the geth aren't hostile anymore. It's not like Legion is saying "regardless of their actions, they all have to die". He's saying that, under the circumstances, if the geth cease fire they'd all be destroyed.

But that's the point of the reapers; organics are chaotic and unpredictable because we don't know what our purpose truly is. As Javik said in the game, "Synthetic life will always revolt because they know their purpose and they know who created them. It is only logical for them to see that we have no purpose eventually, and that we are not necessary." Or something like that, it's not word for word.

Oh, well, if Javik says it, it must be universally true then. For all life, in all situations, and for all time.

Modifié par bleetman, 14 mars 2012 - 04:38 .

[Ianamus]

I don't understand the endings at all.

I don't understand why the Normandy is randomly touring space at the most pivotal moment, and when Shepard needs them the most.

I don't understand why the Reapers needed Sovereign if there was the catalyst.

I don't understand why Shepard is being so nice and accepting what the catalyst says, even if he made peace between the Geth and Quarians. 

I don't understand how magical white light can turn evey organic being in the universe into a half-machine.

I don't understand how anybody could have thought it would make a decent ending to the series.

Modifié par EJ107, 14 mars 2012 - 04:31 .

[Serp86]

No i understood them , doesn't mean i have to agree with them and think they are even remotely fitting as an ending to such an epic saga.

[X.O Presley]

Dude u won't die if u have an Effective Military Strength of 5,000 & destroy the reapers.