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[iKral]

royal blood... incest... seems par for the course.

[The Angry One]

JobacNoor wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

JobacNoor wrote...

Unwilling sex? It's not like she rapes the PC or Alistair/Loghain.

I'm talking about Alistair. You seriously think he wants to bed *that* evil witch, especially if he's in a relationship with a female PC?

If he says that he agrees to do it, I'd consider him a willing participant. Idk, "unwilling sex" just made it sound like he's being dragged kicking and screaming to be violated. When in truth, he's given a choice.

If he were dragged kicking and screaming I'd call it rape. I'm not one to lighten my words; as it is it's an act forced through want of survival.

[punkioinapit713]

I like the whole incest idea. Cool Beans! Like a medevil European Visitor Q. Loving it Morrigan and Alistair two characters that can't stand each other, bumping uglies to make an ugly bastard child that could potentially become a demon/devil/god thing. Nice! Probably the only thing that saves this whole game is the fact that I can wade through mind numbing hours of senseless game play just to force them to connive a bile spitting, ****** sucking, dookie dropping, projectile vomit hurling, chod licking, ass kissing, whinny faced, snot nosed, burp belching, tiny horned, evil eyed, 360 head spinning, poltergeist possessed, chummy scrubbing, muck racking, Hugh Jackman loving, Jesus worshiping, God Fearing, Nerf herding, 6 seconds to Mars supporting, crappy frame rate having, sorry excuses for Old God-ling.



Really 6 seconds to Mars for the credits song? And I thought you people at Bioware had taste.

Or did your daddy EA say they where cool... Bad Bioware! Bad! No cookie for you!

[punkioinapit713]

rowf rowf

[Drake Sigar]

The Angry One wrote...
I'm talking about Alistair. You seriously think he wants to bed *that* evil witch, especially if he's in a relationship with a female PC?

You really don't know men, do you?

[Kuravid]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

Yeah, I don't see it as being a devil child. I don't buy the Chantry's line about the Old Gods being evil, and I agreed with Morrigan that it was worth preserving. Alas my femPC was unable to make babies with Morrigan so it was up to Alistair.

Sorry, Alistair. I really hope she wasn't your sister into the bargain, haha!

It's amazing how easily one can rationalize anything just to feel better about it. It's the spirit essence of the damn archdemon! How can it not be a demon child?

[Herr Uhl]

Kuravid wrote...
It's amazing how easily one can rationalize anything just to feel better about it. It's the spirit essence of the damn archdemon! How can it not be a demon child?

Was the dwarf that became the broodmother a demon?

[mrao]

It's amazing how easily one can rationalize anything just to feel better about it. It's the spirit essence of the damn archdemon! How can it not be a demon child?

If you talk to her, she says that it would be the untainted spirit of the Old God, as in it would be an incarnation of one of the dragons that the Tevinter Imperium worshipped. The archdemon is (supposedly) a corrupted old god, as they were not evil before. Its not a fade demon. Remember, Morrigan refuses to deal with the desire demon when you send her into the fade (if you want to learn blood magic). Whether you believe Morrigan or not is up to you.

IMO, the Old Gods are just particularly powerful dragons. I'm willing to bet that Morrigan and Flemeth are involved with the Dragon cult somehow, perhaps if only to oppose the Chantry.

DA is supposed to be about touch choices. Won't be much of a tough choice what to do if the child turns out to be satan himself. Bioware loves their ambiguity, i doubt it will be as cut and dry as you think.

[tmp7704]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

Yeah, I don't see it as being a devil child. I don't buy the Chantry's line about the Old Gods being evil, and I agreed with Morrigan that it was worth preserving.

Not even sure if the Chantry really claims the Old Gods are evil. They say the Old Gods were punished by the Maker for "first sin" which was 'taking the Maker's place in the hearts of men" i.e. becoming the object of worship instead of the Maker... but that doesn't exactly say much about actual character of these Gods.

on the subject of actual topic... eeew, indeed. Poor Alistair

[mrao]

anaea123 wrote...

If you talk to her, she says that it would be the untainted spirit of
the Old God, as in it would be an incarnation of one of the dragons
that the Tevinter Imperium worshipped.

Yeah... except the whole reason the archdemon ends up in the child in the first place is because it will home in on the taint carried from the Warden parent.  So "untainted" seemed to be overstating the case a bit.

The warden father is required because she has to get the soul into a body somehow. The act of removing the taint from the archdemon probably doesn't happen over night, which must be what the blood magic is for. (Or perhaps why she runs away at the end). She states that the old god will be untainted when its born. She's got 9 months till that happens, who knows what she has to do.

We have no real way to be sure about any of this since all we have are Morrigans words and codex entries.

Modifié par mrao, 28 novembre 2009 - 12:33 .

[Malkavianqueen]

imported_beer wrote...

MORDRED!!!!!!!!!!

My thought exactly. ;P

[Rhys Cordelle]

The crazy thing about going through with Morrigans plan is that the darkspawn are drawn to the old gods! If Morrigan survives long enough to have the baby, and it survives long enough to grow up, chances are it's just going to lead to another Blight anyway, and all for what? So that you can shag Alistair for 30 years before you both go mad with the taint?

Modifié par Rhys Cordelle, 28 novembre 2009 - 09:09 .

[Lequin]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

The crazy thing about going through with Morrigans plan is that the darkspawn are drawn to the old gods! If Morrigan survives long enough to have the baby, and it survives long enough to grow up, chances are it's just going to lead to another Blight anyway, and all for what? So that you can shag Alistair for 30 years before you both go mad with the taint?

well, the child has a bit of the taint at this stage, and the soul of the old god doesn't get destroyed as per morrigan. Maybe due to having a grey warden(resistance to the taint, ~30 years or so) as a father would give the reborn old god immunity to the darkspawn corruption? that + morrigan's rituals anyway.

And I dunno if it was really Morrigan's plan, she kinda said that this was the idea from the outset since Flemeth rescued the PC. and it was Flemeth's magic ritual.  Flemeth can also do a fairly convincing dragon impersonation.  She also cannot die, 'killing' her mearly slows her down until she can reform/take over another body, which is like what the archdemons kinda do.....so flemeth = some sort of remnant of old god/old god cult?

Anyway on topic, yea, it does seem that morrigan and alistair can be related.  Incest is quite common between royalty.

Modifié par Lequin, 28 novembre 2009 - 10:32 .

[Nimue_KV]

The thought immediately came to me when I read that. This sounds exactly like the kind of thing Bioware would spring on us. In fact, this was one of the reasons why I didn't agree to Morrigan's ritual  - a child descended from Flemeth on both sides, plus the soul of a god inside it... I shudder to think what would come out of that. Having Alistair die on me as a result wasn't so much better, though

[Tesslyn]

Ehm... it was to save his own life/life of his lover. If someone broke into your house and held you hostage and someone else broke in and offered to save you for sex.. would it be 'willing sex'?



I'm sure 'do or die' sex is not considered consensual.

[Vicious]

Alistair as Morrigan's half-brother? So she could in fact commit incest with the King and birth a god-child who is heir to the throne?

Arthurian story anyone?

And we get a 'Mordred' as a male/female punk child of the PC's or whomever that we will probably have to kill in a sequel. Outstanding. And this kid has the soul of an old god, lets say he gets corrupted again, guess what, no ritual this time! You have to kill the child and end your own life [or Alistair's or whomever] in the process because Grey Wardens cannot escape their destiny.

So basically, if Morrigan is indeed Alistair's sister,

We've just been set up for a fancy version of Le Morte d'Arthur.

Alistair, Arthur, Morrigan, Morgana, yeah probably not a coinkydink.

Modifié par Vicious, 28 novembre 2009 - 10:46 .

[Rhys Cordelle]

It definitely is. If you look up the legend of the Morrigan, there are claims that Arthurs' Morgan was the Morrigan.



I think that's awesome

[FrostyThundertrod]

Tesslyn wrote...

Ehm... it was to save his own life/life of his lover. If someone broke into your house and held you hostage and someone else broke in and offered to save you for sex.. would it be 'willing sex'?

I'm sure 'do or die' sex is not considered consensual.

I wood  use do or die has an excuse to tell my wife of why I "had" to do it.

[DPSSOC]

or this could all be some sinister plot by Bioware to make us think and salivate over the Arthurian angle and then BAM! they hit us with something completely different.



I they are siblings though it makes a lot of their conversations a lot more creepy.

[Herr Uhl]

DPSSOC wrote...

or this could all be some sinister plot by Bioware to make us think and salivate over the Arthurian angle and then BAM! they hit us with something completely different..

That is what I want to happen.

MOAR of the world, not Morrigan and friends. And no blights.

[Popemaster123]

The Angry One wrote...

I don't buy Chantry dogma either, but neither do I buy Morrigan's untainted old god nonsense.
At best she gives birth to a quasi-dragonspawn, and you know what? Dragons are just trouble.
I stand by my devil-child assertions.

You are CRAZY.
1.The old god preservation society is the most awesome thing ever, and yes she was probs bs'ing but it would be worth keeping it alive
2.Dragons ftw! if only there was a "cute Dragon" item which the player could have fromt he frostback mountins (like the cute nug one)
3.It is still human and may just have the abilities of a dragon (power over fire) or it will be a true god liek being such as the Ori. All hallowed are the Ori!

[slackbheep]

My two cents is that they aren't related, I always figured Morrigan was a stolen child, It just seems too obvious a connection.



Also, can you imagine the media spin? If Mass Effect was called smut Dragon Age would be called a black magic demon woshipping incest simulator.

[Herr Uhl]

slackbheep wrote...
Also, can you imagine the media spin? If Mass Effect was called smut Dragon Age would be called a black magic demon woshipping incest simulator.

I'd buy it if it was marketed as such