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[cutieyum]

Skellimancer wrote...

his first words would be "ENCHANTMENT!"

Oh Maker, YES! Skellimancer, I think you are right  ROFL

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How did Flemeth learned to shapeshift into a Dragon? By watching drawings?

[cutieyum]

Drake Sigar wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
I'm talking about Alistair. You seriously think he wants to bed *that* evil witch, especially if he's in a relationship with a female PC?

You really don't know men, do you?

Drake, I agree... I cannot get out of my head the idea that Alistair did work out some anger against Morrigan during their child-making session. I still remember my male friends in college arguing about hate-****ing girls, in one night stands, because they drove them into anger.

The former Templar was probably ashamed next morning of his thoughts/actions and try to look/act all 'upset' next morning to the PC. After all his equipment did not fail him with Morrigan...

Modifié par cutieyum, 28 novembre 2009 - 02:00 .

[Hunter246]

Impossible she another flemeth i thinks thats why she wanted the baby.

[Seraosha]

Methanol24 wrote...

There is a passage in the book "The Stolen Throne" which made me think of it.
Loghain and Maric are meeting this witch of the wild who has many names and is going to help Loghain and Maric for a  promise, "Made by the King[Marcic] to me in private , and never spoken of again to anyone".

So Maric agrees nad this is what's in the book:

He had gon into her hut and remained there for hours, long enough that Loghain grew concerned. He had been trying to peer in through it's one filthy, grit-covered window when Maric walked out of the doo, alone. The man seemed shaken and quiet and was resistant to even the most casual effeorts.

And that's it, it is never mentioned in the book again.  As I was reading the book for the first time back in March I did think nothing of it, but now, reading the book a second time after playing the game, it just makes sense, at least for me.

Small excerpt from the book below. If you haven't read it, look away now.

The Stolen Throne, Pg. 367...

It took a while for Maric to realize that she was there. When he turned to her, his eyes were sunken with grief. "It's just as the witch said it would be," he blurted out. "I thought she was just making no sense, but..."
  "What witch?" Rowan asked, confused.
  He barely heard her, looking off into the shadows again.
"You will hurt the ones you love the most," he quoted, "and become what you hate in order to save what you love."

Unless there is something more possibly about Morrigan and Alistair in Dragon Age: The Calling, the Morrigan-Alistair sibling theory seems well of the mark.

Modifié par Seraosha, 28 novembre 2009 - 02:15 .

[syllogi]

Seraosha wrote...
Unless there is something more possibly about Morrigan and Alistair in Dragon Age: The Calling, the Morrigan-Alistair sibling theory seems well of the mark.

Um, Maric was alone in that hut with Flemeth for three hours.  He reveals another prophetic piece of info Flemeth told him during those three looooong hours alone with her, later on, in the Calling, but it makes no sense that ALL Flemeth did while they were in there was give him helpful information.  Flemeth told him he had to do *something* for her to repay her for her help, and then they went into the hut for three hours.  Knowing how Flemeth gets her daughters, knowing the ritual she taught Morrigan, it really isn't a far stretch at all to guess what she wanted from Maric.

Modifié par TeenZombie, 28 novembre 2009 - 03:10 .

[Herr Uhl]

TeenZombie wrote...
Flemeth told him he had to do *something* for her to repay her for her help, and then they went into the hut for three hours.  Knowing how Flemeth gets her daughters, knowing the ritual she taught Morrigan, it really isn't a far stretch at all to guess what she wanted from Maric.

Maric really is a machine though. 3 hours, man...

[syllogi]

Herr Uhl wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...
Flemeth told him he had to do *something* for her to repay her for her help, and then they went into the hut for three hours.  Knowing how Flemeth gets her daughters, knowing the ritual she taught Morrigan, it really isn't a far stretch at all to guess what she wanted from Maric.

Maric really is a machine though. 3 hours, man...

LOL, but during that whole time, he was muttering "shut your eyes and think of Ferelden" to himself...

[JobacNoor]

Herr Uhl wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...
Flemeth told him he had to do *something* for her to repay her for her help, and then they went into the hut for three hours.  Knowing how Flemeth gets her daughters, knowing the ritual she taught Morrigan, it really isn't a far stretch at all to guess what she wanted from Maric.

Maric really is a machine though. 3 hours, man...

If she looked anything like her daughter when she was younger, I'd say 3 hours is quite doable. 

[ReubenLiew]

Probably took 3 hours because he couldn't get it up. XD

[Varenus Luckmann]

This opens up a world of possibilities for the sequel. Imagine the great god-child. The old god reborn in human form.

Now imagine that child not only being awesomely powerful, but also speaking with a lisp, drooling, shouting "ENCHANTMENT!".

[Hunter246]

morrigan is the mystery that really gets me what is her real agenda guess we will find out in due course

[JobacNoor]

Maybe Sandal IS the god-child! Of course, that would mean that he's from the future, sent back in time to stop the blight. Sarah Connor may or may not be involved, as well.

[Kuravid]

mrao wrote...

It's amazing how easily one can rationalize anything just to feel better about it. It's the spirit essence of the damn archdemon! How can it not be a demon child?

If you talk to her, she says that it would be the untainted spirit of the Old God, as in it would be an incarnation of one of the dragons that the Tevinter Imperium worshipped. The archdemon is (supposedly) a corrupted old god, as they were not evil before. Its not a fade demon. Remember, Morrigan refuses to deal with the desire demon when you send her into the fade (if you want to learn blood magic). Whether you believe Morrigan or not is up to you.

Yeah, I had this discussion with my bf once he had beaten the game. I understand that the archdemon is actually a tainted god, but I still felt uncomfortable handing over that responsibility to a self-absorbed, insecure, defensive woman who lived a mostly sheltered life in the woods (don't get me wrong, I loved Morrigan, but she had her flaws---definitely not mother material IMO). 

[Kuravid]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Kuravid wrote...
It's amazing how easily one can rationalize anything just to feel better about it. It's the spirit essence of the damn archdemon! How can it not be a demon child?

Was the dwarf that became the broodmother a demon?

What matters is the fact that the dwarf is now a broodmother, not a dwarf anymore. If there had been a way for me to un-broodmother the dwarf, then I definitely would have. Unfortunately, you are not given that option. So I wonder: how is that Morrigan is going to un-demon the archdemon?

[Driveninhifi]

It's implied that the taint that's used as a lure is not enough to actually "taint" the soul. (The soul leaves the dragon's body when you kill it. It usually attaches itself to the nearest grey warden, which results in plot-matter and plot-antimatter blowing each other up)



Also, I really hope this story does not turn into a retelling of Morte d'Arthur. I think making the baby Mordred goes way over the top and is kind of boring - that story has been told many, many times before. Now, Morrigan clearly does have a lot of Morgana in her, but I think it's worth keeping in mind that Morgana is not really that interesting of a character.

If they want to continue on this way, it would be better to reference the Mists of Avalon. I've mentioned this before, but in that story the conflict with Morgana and Arthur is more of a metaphor for the conflict between the old Celtic religion and Christianity. That would fit this story much better (with the Old Gods vs the Chantry) - especially if they let your PC choose a side.

[Baalzie]

Driveninhifi wrote...

It's implied that the taint that's used as a lure is not enough to actually "taint" the soul. (The soul leaves the dragon's body when you kill it. It usually attaches itself to the nearest grey warden, which results in plot-matter and plot-antimatter blowing each other up)

Also, I really hope this story does not turn into a retelling of Morte d'Arthur. I think making the baby Mordred goes way over the top and is kind of boring - that story has been told many, many times before. Now, Morrigan clearly does have a lot of Morgana in her, but I think it's worth keeping in mind that Morgana is not really that interesting of a character.
If they want to continue on this way, it would be better to reference the Mists of Avalon. I've mentioned this before, but in that story the conflict with Morgana and Arthur is more of a metaphor for the conflict between the old Celtic religion and Christianity. That would fit this story much better (with the Old Gods vs the Chantry) - especially if they let your PC choose a side.

Yes... Especially taking in the fact that in Arthurian mythos the spirit of the land was.,...  The Dragon *hence Wales having it as symbol etc afaik*
And the Dragon was battling christianity that came to intrude...
Sounds familiar somehow?
They have really plundered old european mythos and history and legends for their world... A tad too obvious really for my taste but ahwell...
Not like most common american and other non-europeans would spot as much as europeans  do instantly...  Understandably enough it's European history and legends after all, not American or Australian or whatnot...

[The Angry One]

Maric was the Fereldan stallion.

There are probably more royal bastards sired by Maric than there are darkspawn.

[Methanol24]

TeenZombie wrote...

Seraosha wrote...
Unless there is something more possibly about Morrigan and Alistair in Dragon Age: The Calling, the Morrigan-Alistair sibling theory seems well of the mark.

Um, Maric was alone in that hut with Flemeth for three hours.  He reveals another prophetic piece of info Flemeth told him during those three looooong hours alone with her, later on, in the Calling, but it makes no sense that ALL Flemeth did while they were in there was give him helpful information.  Flemeth told him he had to do *something* for her to repay her for her help, and then they went into the hut for three hours.  Knowing how Flemeth gets her daughters, knowing the ritual she taught Morrigan, it really isn't a far stretch at all to guess what she wanted from Maric.

On the other hand, Morrigan said Flemeth was younger a couple of years ago, while in the book the witch is an old woman with white hair. But why is this scene in the book if it is not that important? Maybe the characters changed during the time the book was written and the game was released because Bioware got cold feet because of the possible incest. Or the discription in the book of the witch is wrong because they changed the character and it should be a younger woman.

[Herr Uhl]

Kuravid wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Kuravid wrote...
It's amazing how easily one can rationalize anything just to feel better about it. It's the spirit essence of the damn archdemon! How can it not be a demon child?

Was the dwarf that became the broodmother a demon?

What matters is the fact that the dwarf is now a broodmother, not a dwarf anymore. If there had been a way for me to un-broodmother the dwarf, then I definitely would have. Unfortunately, you are not given that option. So I wonder: how is that Morrigan is going to un-demon the archdemon?

The arcdemon is ironically enough not a demon. But, she explains that it is what it would do. Why would she want a archdemon in the first place, the thing they do in to co-ordinate darkspawn and pwn Orlesian GW.

[Herr Uhl]

The Angry One wrote...

Maric was the Fereldan stallion.
There are probably more royal bastards sired by Maric than there are darkspawn.

Soon he will have attained Djinghis Khans standards. He is ancestor to 20 million people.

[Amagoi]

Sorry if this has been said (it's very late and I'm getting kind of tired), but I don't think Morrigan is Maric's daughter. It hints in the game that Morrigan isn't Flemeth's blood daughter, which makes sense to me. Also Maric and Loghain visited Flemeth about.. well about 2-3 years before the battle of River Dane, which is around when the Dragon Age started.

So if Morrigan was conceived at that time, she would be around 32-33 years old. She looks around early 20s, either that or she looks very good for her age.

Modifié par Amagoi, 29 novembre 2009 - 09:53 .

[Banana Muffin]

I have no problem picturing Morrigan being in her 30s. Her voice certainly doesn't sound like someone in her 20s and she also seems a lot more mature than that. Besides I think women usually look better when they are 30 than 20 so I don't know what you mean by looking good for her age.

[JobacNoor]

I could've sworn that a dev stated at some point that the final version of Morrigan that we see in the game is somewhere in her late 20s or early 30s. BTW, Claudia Black's voice sounded exactly the same 10 years ago when she actually was in her 20s.

[Walina]

Methanol24 wrote...

There is a passage in the book "The Stolen Throne" which made me think of it.
Loghain and Maric are meeting this witch of the wild who has many names and is going to help Loghain and Maric for a  promise, "Made by the King[Marcic] to me in private , and never spoken of again to anyone".

So Maric agrees nad this is what's in the book:

He had gon into her hut and remained there for hours, long enough that Loghain grew concerned. He had been trying to peer in through it's one filthy, grit-covered window when Maric walked out of the doo, alone. The man seemed shaken and quiet and was resistant to even the most casual effeorts.

And that's it, it is never mentioned in the book again.  As I was reading the book for the first time back in March I did think nothing of it, but now, reading the book a second time after playing the game, it just makes sense, at least for me.

It could explain why Flenneth save PC and Alistair...
It could explain why female PC can't do the ritual herself with Alistair and why Morrigan doesn't want Riordan to do the ritual...

Curse you David Gaider if you did a remake of king Arthur story!!

p.s : maybe that's how Fiona, the grey warden was cured from the taint, no ? I didn't read the books, so i ask.

Modifié par Walina, 29 novembre 2009 - 11:44 .

[Banana Muffin]

10 years ago she would have been in her late 20s not her early.