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#301
yoshibb

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Madecologist wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

I have to say that I remember when this whole thing was pretty small. After the space edition came out and we discovered that the endings were what they were, I think maybe a few hundred or so were calling for an epic ****storm.

But this isn't a ****storm. This is an entirely different storm I can't even describe. In a week's time, we have thousands upon thousands of people coming together to fight this. What started out as a cause with little hope has turned into a movement across the entire planet. People are giving money to charity, they are writing letters, they are spreading the word. They believe they can make a difference, that we can still save this trilogy.

*snipped to keep quote small*

And it's been ONE WEEK.

Be proud people. I have never been a part of anything like this.

It's a Noah's Tempest. Obscure sci-fi reference.

It is the Hurricane/Typhoon that would form on an Earth type planet that was 95% plus water, with only small island chains as land masses. The Noah's Tempest would effectively be one that never leaves the equatorial waters, effectively circuling the planet over and over again a few times till it finally deviates. By its second or third pass... would be a storm that makes even the worst Earth Hurricane look like a light drizzle.

That's what we are. :). I like being part of an Uber Apocalyptic Hurricane from a distant oceanic world.


Sounds epic enough.

Over 25,000 donated guys. Keep it going. They have to respond eventually.

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yoshibb wrote...

They have to respond eventually.

I'm not expecting much more than a predictable statement about taking our reaction into consideration, and how the community is very important, but ultimately it's impractical to adjust the ending to the degree that we're looking for. All in fluent PRanese. By which I mean it'll be wordy, but ultimately won't say much.

But then, I'm cranky and pessemistic.

Modifié par bleetman, 14 mars 2012 - 05:31 .


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RubiconI7 wrote...

Another post, from Gamefront this time, saying the exact things we are saying.
1. Ploholes
2. Closure
3. Key Themes discarded...

http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/


EDIT: Sorry for double posting.


Great article.

I'm glad to see someone else feels that the logic of killing organics with synthetics to avoid them being killed by...synthetics is completely ridiculous too. It just seemed to me like a stupid logic flaw with the AI which should have been exploited by Shepard, fundamentally forcing the Reapers to admit how retarded their logic was and then to do everyone a favour and all commit suicide.

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Moirai wrote...

RubiconI7 wrote...

Another post, from Gamefront this time, saying the exact things we are saying.
1. Ploholes
2. Closure
3. Key Themes discarded...

http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/


EDIT: Sorry for double posting.


Great article.

I'm glad to see someone else feels that the logic of killing organics with synthetics to avoid them being killed by...synthetics is completely ridiculous too. It just seemed to me like a stupid logic flaw with the AI which should have been exploited by Shepard, fundamentally forcing the Reapers to admit how retarded their logic was and then to do everyone a favour and all commit suicide.

 
Yeah, that was a great article, it definitely needs to be in the OP.

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Terrific article.

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I absolutely support this topic, but I am skeptical if it will bring about any change in the ending. There's no doubt that DLC is coming eventually but the only implications I see for that is giving us campaign only players a chance to break that impossible 4000 EMS barrier.

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I don't think this one has been posted yet, so:

www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/13/why-fan-service-is-good-business/

Modifié par Moirai, 14 mars 2012 - 07:27 .


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CDRSkyShepard

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JeffZero wrote...

Terrific article.


*Glomp*

Good to see you. :D

Anyway, guys...I've updated the OP again, and it is as complete as ever! It contains the awesome-amazing-I-can't-stand-it-brilliant Game Front article. I've been thinking about color-coding the articles (green for pro-us, red for neg-us)...I think I might start with that Game Front article.

But, as always, if you've got stuff, keep it coming!!! I LOVE getting stuff. Never think yourself as being obnoxious.

#309
CDRSkyShepard

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Moirai wrote...

I don't think these ones have been posted yet, so:

www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/12/how-bioware-could-find-redemption-using-mass-effect-3/
www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/13/why-fan-service-is-good-business/
robotgeek.co.uk/2012/03/13/why-the-retake-mass-effect-3-movement-is-making-history/


I've got the first and third one, but not the second one, thanks!!!

*Rubs hands together maniacally* More Forbes, yessss....

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Moirai

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CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Moirai wrote...

I don't think these ones have been posted yet, so:

www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/12/how-bioware-could-find-redemption-using-mass-effect-3/
www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/13/why-fan-service-is-good-business/
robotgeek.co.uk/2012/03/13/why-the-retake-mass-effect-3-movement-is-making-history/


I've got the first and third one, but not the second one, thanks!!!

*Rubs hands together maniacally* More Forbes, yessss....


lol! I just edited my post as I just spotted those.

Doh! You were so quick. :P

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Moirai wrote...

lol! I just edited my post as I just spotted those.

Doh! You were so quick. :P


It's because I'm a ninja...

:ph34r:

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CDRSkyShepard I posted a bit of your opening post on Deviant Art along with some other things from Retake Mass Effect. Wanted you to know. I encouraged people to share and get the word out. Its not much, but it's something I can do. Hope my watchers take notice, already a few of them agree. :)

Thanks for this topic. *salute*

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Just adding my voice to those in support of changes. My biggest problem (aside from the plot holes and unanswered questions) is just why they decided to go for the 'bittersweet' ending we got. Regardless of what some people say, deep down we all want a happy ending for our entertainment because thats what ME was, entertainment. Bad stuff happens in the real world all the time but games give you the chance to be the hero who saves (nearly) everyone and ME3 didn't deliver that in even the slightest way, and while I know saving everyone is to much to ask with such stakes as the Reapers, its pretty obvious that (with the unanswered questions being answered) people just want a happy ending with the Normany crew.

... at least I do, I don't care if that means I don't recognise how "deep and thought provoking" the current ending is, I want my happy ending dammit.

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CDRSkyShepard

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Shadow-Novus wrote...

CDRSkyShepard I posted a bit of your opening post on Deviant Art along with some other things from Retake Mass Effect. Wanted you to know. I encouraged people to share and get the word out. Its not much, but it's something I can do. Hope my watchers take notice, already a few of them agree. :)

Thanks for this topic. *salute*


Every little bit helps! Thank you very much, Shadow. *Salutes back*

Edit: @Kithayri - I wanted a happy ending, too. :( Not sunshine and bunnies, but settling down, rebuilding with the help of your crew, etc... I truly wanted that. But, for the sake of this movement...I have to just ask for anything we can get. Even if its just clarification, you know?

Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 14 mars 2012 - 07:36 .


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Agreed, Kithayri and CDRSkyShepard. I play to escape the depressingness of reality, and while I have no problem with the option of such horribly depressing endings as we have been given, since I'm sure some people have no issue with it ending tha way; I would still appreciate being able to choose a brighter ending. One where if shepard lives, he/she isn't trapped all alone and unable to be reunited with his/her friends and lover. Or if he/she dies, a little mourning might have been nice, like the ultimate sacrifice ending in DAO. And some indication that ALL the other squadmates we've all come to know and love are alive or God forbid dead. Not thirty seconds of confusing, unfulfilling bewilderment, with no one apparently concerned at all for the fate of their friend and hero. And a little something of rebuilding the galaxy would also have been much appreciated. I hate the idea that they are all completely cut off from each other now, also. I vehemently support this topic, and add my voice to the call for change!
Maximasdecimas, reporting for duty!!

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I support this thread and the grievances listed within.

When I witnessed what Bioware had decided to subject to us as the “end” to such an epic trilogy, I faced a myriad of emotions. I was flabbergasted, confused, bamboozled, blindsided, taken aback, but most of all I just felt disappointed and hollow. I refused to believe that this was how my favorite videogame saga just ended. I even went online to see if there was anything I did, any detail I missed, in order to witness the “true” ending. Unfortunately, I was fully prepared… these were the “wildly divergent endings” that were promised to us.

Let me just say that I’m not against bittersweet endings. If written well, I even welcome them! However, this ending was not bittersweet. It was just bitter, if you can even call it anything. The recurring theme of Mass Effect was hope and determination! Our mission was to defeat the Reapers, end the cycle, and preserve galactic society. I was hoping that all of our hard work, difficult choices, relationships, and the individuality we crafted for each of our Shepards throughout three games amounted to something! We weren’t even given satisfaction! We are given the worst kind of ending that can ever be given to a saga; one that raises more questions than answers, loose ends all over the place, with no coherent narrative or purpose (not to mention plot holes everywhere)! I would have hoped one of my Shepards would have been able to turn the tide against this war, giving the galaxy a fighting chance against the Reapers while rewarding him with a life together with his LI. Another one of my Shepards would have sacrificed herself if it meant stopping the Reapers! One of my Shepards might have not been fully prepared to stop the Reapers, but he sure as heck would have gone down fighting! <--These were the “wildly divergent endings” I was hoping for. Instead, we received three variations of the same conclusion, with minor tweaks to how you experience said conclusion based on your galactic preparedness. I was hoping to see what my choices resulted in. Would Wrex lead the Krogan to a cultural renaissance? Will the Citadel races unite with one another and rebuild their shattered societies together? Will the Quarians and Geth truly live in peace? And what about Shepard? What is his/her future like (if s/he survived)? This game answers NONE of that!

If these endings hold up, replayability is ruined. I’ve considered going back and playing the trilogy over, but I’ve simply lost the will to do so. To put it bluntly, there is no point. If I were to play ME3 over again, which I probably will, some things will definitely change. I won’t recruit Allers. I don’t like her, so she’s not allowed on my ship. I don’t need her press anyway, so what’s the point? Khalisah? Meh, I’ll just proceed to knock her out. I don’t need her on my side since it won’t matter. The Batarian Fleet? Instead of grudgingly allying myself with Balak, I’ll just do to him what I’ve wanted to do since ME1; shoot the frakking jerk. It doesn’t matter, anyway! The galaxy’s doomed no matter what we do!

So Bioware, I hope and pray that you read our grievances with an open mind and accept them as legitimate. I know you are used to arguments over petty matters such as Tali’s face, but this is something the vast majority of us seem agree on. I’ve seen one of these “change the ending” threads grow to over 1,000 pages over the span of five days! Given the general flow of BSN, that kind of growth is unbelievably rare! I need not even mention the general sway of the numerous polls concerning the matter. Please don’t brush us off as “emotional fans.” A lot of us have been loyal to you for over 5 years and, I’m not gonna lie, many are hurt over this. Please change the ending. We ask this because we care.

Edit: Fixed transfer, format, and coding errors. Serves me right for typing it in Word, I guess. But I already lost this once writing it in BSN, it was not going to happen, again. Lol

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 14 mars 2012 - 08:52 .


#317
Moirai

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How about this one, Sky?

www.play-mag.co.uk/general/why-the-mass-effect-3-ending-sucked/

Modifié par Moirai, 14 mars 2012 - 09:22 .


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Gibb_Shepard wrote...

No, the motivation isn't fine and dandy.

Out of everything the ending does wrong, the ultimate crap hole is the AI child's motivations. It would be a fine motivation, had Mass Effect actually had AI vs Organics as anything close to a main theme. The Geth were a side-plot throughout the entirety of the ME series. This wasn't Deus Ex.

What is fundamentally wrong with this is actually illustrated in the main game. If you're going to pull this motivation, there has to be foreshadowing to WHY it's actually a legitimate motivation. Instead, we get the COMPLETE opposite.

"The creations will always rebel against their creators". In this game alone, it shows that the creation can make PEACE with the creators. That they can stand under a common banner. That they can even love one another (Joker and EDI). You can't come out and tell us that AI and Organics can never live peacefully when the entire game has shown us otherwise.

If you truly wanted this motivation to fly, you should've made the Geth uncompromisable. You should've made it impossible to let them make peace with their creators, you should've made EDI a hell of a lot less idyllic. Don't even get me started with how this motivation ties into previous games. How the only reason the Geth attacked in the first place was because of the Reapers. How Geth only killed Quarians out of self defence, not out of the underlying need to destroy their creators.

The AI child is treated as the voice of reason, the be all and end all. Shepard cannot question this thing, meaning that it is indeed the embodiment of the ultimate truth. What should have been done is the showing that this AI child is a FLAWED machine. That it cannot comprehend the possibility of change; that it saw AI destroy organics once, and thinks that ultimately it is a prophecy that cannot be broken.

But they won't change this. And it is so unfortunate to see such a great series end on such a terribly done Deus Ex Machina.


I agree. It would have made a lot more sense if Shepard would have been able to show the AI child that peace is possible between the creator and the created. The whole ending feels like it's from a different universe.

I started getting suspicious when Shepard was told that the Reapers had already captured the Citadel. Just like that, no fighting chances at all. In ME1 the battle for the Citadel was just epic, but now it was just a couple of lines of dialogue. Even taking the Citadel back from Cerberus felt like it was in vain. I can live with that, but I think that is the moment when the quality of the story started deteriorating.

Does anyone else remember the ending for Fallout 2?

Hold the line.

#319
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This really needs to be stickied, with 1 or 2 pages every couple of minutes it could easily get lost. And $29,9k for child's play woot :) (correction 30k as I typed this short post ;) )

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Recent update from The Escapist that refers to an interview with Casey Hudson about the reaction to the ending. The ending was apparently intentionally meant to polarize the audience.

From the most recent polls, I'd say that the divide of opinions is quite skewed.

As the article points out, it was advertised that "[Mass Effect 3's [/i]ending] is not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."

The majority of us would obviously disagree with that statement.

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Half_Moon wrote...

As the article points out, it was advertised that "[Mass Effect 3's [/i]ending] is not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."

The majority of us would obviously disagree with that statement.


Oh, yea, that's right! Absolutely! We didn't get the endings A, B or C. We got endings Red, Green and Blue. Which reminds me of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RGB

Bioware! You can do better that the good old RGB color model, can you?

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*Bump*

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Thumps up for this thread!

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Thread deserves a bump, it's the only one that presents the problems in the way they need to be presented.

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To the front with ye!