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#26
CDRSkyShepard

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KainrycKarr wrote...

Can you add that the flashback sequence does not accurately represent your LI, and that it is apparantly by design, not a bug?


Done.

Lesbian Wood Elf wrote...

Add the fact that Tali and Garrus couldn't possibly live on the tropical planet without starving to death due to their different DNA to the plot holes section.

Also, Lesbian Wood Elf reporting to the front, sir. 


Done. Welcome to the squad.

And it's Ma'am. ;D

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Mev186

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I also support this thread.

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Marta Rio II

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Very nicely done with the original post.

If you're interested, another poll: Comprehensive Mass Effect 3 Endings poll

(Which I'm shamelessly self-promoting, but I think there's good data there (and > 5000 responses!).)

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@CaseyDHudson

"Lots of great feedback coming in on #MassEffect3 - keep it coming! We listen to it all."



#30
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These are exactly the points I myself don't understand. This series cannot end with a whimper. Not after they spent so much time creating this universe and these characters. This has my full support.

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Also, my major grievance with the ending isn't mentioned here. As I've been telling anyone who'll listen, Commander Shepard is essentially the personification of defiance. He scoffs at the mere notion of laying down and dying when confronted by Sovereign on Virmire and then proceeds to blow Sovereign from the sky.

He dies and is resurected and, instead of spending the remainder of his years getting over PTSD from the event, he picks up his gun and destroys the Reapers' minions the Collectors. He's threatened time and again by mercs, The Shadow Broker, and the Reapers' forces and he simply refuses to give up and refuses to see any other option than fighting with every fiber of his being.

On the asteroid plummeting for the Alpha Relay he tells Harbinger what he intends to do: "Maybe we can't win this. But we will fight you regardless."

Throughout ME3 Shepard is told peace between the Turians and Krogan is impossible and he proves the naysayers wrong. He singlehandedly ends a 300 year old war and forms an alliance with a race of synthetic beings in spite of every claim that it was impossible.

When shown defeat at the hands of Kai Leng on Thessia, Shepard rallies and devastates Cerberus in their base of operations. He refuses to allow a rogue human group compromise his plans.

Finally, when he almost reaches the conduit that leads to the Citadel, he is nearly killed by a Reaper but he defiantly forces himself on.

Everything Shepard has done in 3 games has been in direct defiance of the Reapers. He doesn't pale at the sight of their fleets, he doesn't tire in his effort to stop their inexorable march across the galaxy, he fights and fights until he is at the brink of defeating them.

And then he accepts the Guardian's false dilemma as his only options, ignoring all other possibilities right when it matters.

That is what bothers me about this ending. Not the fact that there is very little difference between endings, not the fact that there are plot holes, not the fact that it's dark and Shepard dies/is separated from his crew, and not the fact that all Dextro DNA species in orbit around Earth would die of starvation.

My Shepard fights until he dies, and Bioware's gave up right when it mattered most.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 13 mars 2012 - 05:18 .


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Seeing threads like this make me feel much better. So many of the media outlets are making us out to be crybabies or selfish and are ignoring what we are asking for. It is great to know so many of us want the same thing. HOLD THE LINE!

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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Also, my major grievance with the ending isn't mentioned here. As I've been telling anyone who'll listen, Commander Shepard is essentially the personification of defiance. He scoffs at the mere notion of laying down and dying when confronted by Sovereign on Virmire and then proceeds to blow Sovereign from the sky.
<Rest of awesome post snippage>


This, so much this!  That's one of the worst things if not the worst.

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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Also, my major grievance with the ending isn't mentioned here. As I've been telling anyone who'll listen, Commander Shepard is essentially the personification of defiance. He scoffs at the mere notion of laying down and dying when confronted by Sovereign on Virmire and then proceeds to blow Sovereign from the sky.

He dies and is resurected and, instead of spending the remainder of his years getting over PTSD from the event, he picks up his gun and destroys the Reapers' minions the Collectors. He's threatened time and again by mercs, The Shadow Broker, and the Reapers' forces and he simply refuses to give up and refuses to see any other option than fighting with every fiber of his being.

On the asteroid plummeting for the Alpha Relay he tells Harbinger what he intends to do: "Maybe we can't win this. But we will fight you regardless."

Throughout ME3 Shepard is told peace between the Turians and Krogan is impossible and he proves the naysayers wrong. He singlehandedly ends a 300 year old war and forms an alliance with a race of synthetic beings in spite of every claim that it was impossible.

When shown defeat at the hands of Kai Leng on Thessia, Shepard rallies and devastates Cerberus in their base of operations. He refuses to allow a rogue human group compromise his plans.

Finally, when he almost reaches the conduit that leads to the Citadel, he is nearly killed by a Reaper but he defiantly forces himself on.

Everything Shepard has done in 3 games has been in direct defiance of the Reapers. He doesn't pale at the sight of their fleets, he doesn't tire in his effort to stop their inexorable march across the galaxy, he fights and fights until he is at the brink of defeating them.

And then he accepts the Guardian's false dilemma as his only options, ignoring all other possibilities right when it matters.

That is what bothers me about this ending. Not the fact that there is very little difference between endings, not the fact that there are plot holes, not the fact that it's dark and Shepard dies/is separated from his crew, and not the fact that all Dextro DNA species in orbit around Earth would die of starvation.

My Shepard fights until he dies, and Bioware's gave up right when it mattered most.


I will work this in. I want to have the list be as comprehensive as possible. Keep the suggestions coming.

On that note, if you have something you want to input, please PM me. I will be adding a disclaimer like this to the OP.

Thanks much!

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I'd personally just like some answers to a whole lot of things. Nevermind what happens to the characters, relationships with which we've cultivated for up to three games now, if nothing else I'd damn well like to know what happens to a galaxy that has fundamentally had the entire basis for their civilisations removed, and/or the meaning of what constitutes 'life' drastically altered.

Or why Shepard can go from yelling at the Illusive Man about how he's being used and cannot control the Reapers to attempting it himself within a matter of minutes.

Or how anyone even knows what Shepard did, enough to tell tales of his/her actions further on down the line, for that matter.

Hnnnngh I should sleep.

Modifié par bleetman, 13 mars 2012 - 05:26 .


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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Also, my major grievance with the ending isn't mentioned here. As I've been telling anyone who'll listen, Commander Shepard is essentially the personification of defiance. He scoffs at the mere notion of laying down and dying when confronted by Sovereign on Virmire and then proceeds to blow Sovereign from the sky.

He dies and is resurected and, instead of spending the remainder of his years getting over PTSD from the event, he picks up his gun and destroys the Reapers' minions the Collectors. He's threatened time and again by mercs, The Shadow Broker, and the Reapers' forces and he simply refuses to give up and refuses to see any other option than fighting with every fiber of his being.

On the asteroid plummeting for the Alpha Relay he tells Harbinger what he intends to do: "Maybe we can't win this. But we will fight you regardless."

Throughout ME3 Shepard is told peace between the Turians and Krogan is impossible and he proves the naysayers wrong. He singlehandedly ends a 300 year old war and forms an alliance with a race of synthetic beings in spite of every claim that it was impossible.

When shown defeat at the hands of Kai Leng on Thessia, Shepard rallies and devastates Cerberus in their base of operations. He refuses to allow a rogue human group compromise his plans.

Finally, when he almost reaches the conduit that leads to the Citadel, he is nearly killed by a Reaper but he defiantly forces himself on.

Everything Shepard has done in 3 games has been in direct defiance of the Reapers. He doesn't pale at the sight of their fleets, he doesn't tire in his effort to stop their inexorable march across the galaxy, he fights and fights until he is at the brink of defeating them.

And then he accepts the Guardian's false dilemma as his only options, ignoring all other possibilities right when it matters.

That is what bothers me about this ending. Not the fact that there is very little difference between endings, not the fact that there are plot holes, not the fact that it's dark and Shepard dies/is separated from his crew, and not the fact that all Dextro DNA species in orbit around Earth would die of starvation.

My Shepard fights until he dies, and Bioware's gave up right when it mattered most.


100% this.

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viggorrah

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BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

*snip*


100% this.

Seconded.

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I didn't mind if Shepard died, at least he died to save the entire galactic species. I was just hoping to see what happened to every character I met along the way after the destruction of the Reapers. Did Wrex die? How about Grunt? Samara? Hackett? I just wanted closure...

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Very well put together. I keep coming back to the forums... looking for answers. I am pretty sure I am depressed over the endings. I can't really think of a close analogue to compare my feelings to. Only way I can explain how I feel is that I feel like I was mislead, betrayed. I feel gutted. Its like reading a 20 page long rage comic in a serious tone, and getting to the last frame and seeing the troll face.

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We need more posts like these!

Hold the line!

#41
Greed1914

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Well written, and it seems to cover everything. Like the OP said, we're upset because we care.

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GuardianAngel470

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Bump because this forum is moving like wildfire in a windstorm.

#43
CDRSkyShepard

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Alright y'all, I gotta get to bed. If you want anything added to the OP, please PM me. Don't set the thread on fire while I'm gone or anything... XD

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Hold the line!

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Hold the line!

End of line.

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aderynbrea

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Wow! Thanks for gathering everything in one post. Keeps things organized. Still holding the line!

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I support this thread. Hold the line!

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Aramina

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Fantastic thread, this sums up everything very politely and comprehensively.Well done!

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I support this thread!

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ashley_actually

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Awesome thread. I support the cause.