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[RubiconI7]

Here's another good one. It thoroughly explains the plot devices used (diablos ex machina) and what is wrong with them. Another, completely new perspective.

The clarification of how Shepherd is NOT a "tragic hero" really hammers it home. His ideas on the set-up and payoff really clearified many of my confusions. Basically we almost sense that a tragic hero will die for a cause. (Mordin) Shepherd's death has not set-up, furthermore, no payoff. This is why it has lead so many to be unsatisifed with the death endings.

http://social.biowar.../index/10022779

Modifié par RubiconI7, 18 mars 2012 - 06:19 .

[CDRSkyShepard]

Alright, I'm all caught up.

(Now that I've said that, I'm gonna get more emails. Lol.)

But any more I get tonight will have to wait until I'm in my hotel room in Dallas tomorrow. Crazy two days ahead of me. XD

[Moirai]

Have a good trip, Sky.

[Bakakenny]

Very beautiful write-up, poster.  "Hold the Line!".

I appreciate all that you have done for the community, with your exemplar write-up of the concerns that many of us have.

Modifié par Bakakenny, 18 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[Moirai]

RubiconI7 wrote...

Here's another good one. It thoroughly explains the plot devices used (diablos ex machina) and what is wrong with them. Another, completely new perspective.

The clarification of how Shepherd is NOT a "tragic hero" really hammers it home. His ideas on the set-up and payoff really clearified many of my confusions. Basically we almost sense that a tragic hero will die for a cause. (Mordin) Shepherd's death has not set-up, furthermore, no payoff. This is why it has lead so many to be unsatisifed with the death endings.

http://social.biowar.../index/10022779

Yeah, it's a very eloquent piece, and I sincerely hope Bioware have had a chance to read it.

[Sanrei]

koobismo.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4t5gby
I laughed so hard at this I almost started crying. Hold the line.

Here's another little comic about the grieving process after finishing the game:
www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/9476-Mass-Effect-3-The-Process

I currently await Yahtzee's video review on ME3. I'm curious as to what he thinks about the whole thing.

Modifié par PedEgg, 18 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[CDRSkyShepard]

I hope Yahtzee rips the ending to shreds. Zero Punctuation is meant to lampoon games, but it is also taken quite seriously because Yahtzee doesn't sugar coat anything. At all. He also doesn't troll, really...he admits when a game has good bits. I have a feeling he'll latch onto the whole, "but I thought we had choices..and in the end it didn't matter" thing. He'll probably be pissed there isn't an ending where you can get legitimately butt-raped by the Reapers. Lol.

I have a feeling it's on the top of his to-do list at the moment.

[Maugrim]

Yahtzee is funny as hell and I'm interested in what he has to say because he usually has a point underneath all the humor but I wouldn't bet on him just yet. Whatever his opinion I'm kinda hoping he just sticks to the review of the game and leaves out the Retake movement. His general approval/support would be nice but there's a good chance this whole buisness has earned his ire.

I recall this quote from his review of Silent Hill Homecoming: "Maybe if the original creators of something don't want to continue it then you should listen to them, because otherwise you're only making it to please the fans. And why would you want to do anything for fans? I mean, I'm a Silent Hill fan and I've just spent the whole review whining like a broken motor. Fans are clingy, complaining dip****s who will never ever be grateful for any concession you make. The moment you shut out their shrill, tremulous voices, the happier you'll be for it."

That could be us on the next update

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 18 mars 2012 - 09:32 .

[CDRSkyShepard]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Yahtzee is funny as hell and I'm interested in what he has to say because he usually has a point underneath all the humor but I wouldn't bet on him just yet. Whatever his opinion I'm kinda hoping he just sticks to the review of the game and leaves out the Retake movement. His general approval/support would be nice but there's a good chance this whole buisness has earned his ire.

I recall this quote from his review of Silent Hill Homecoming: "Maybe if the original creators of something don't want to continue it then you should listen to them, because otherwise you're only making it to please the fans. And why would you want to do anything for fans? I mean, I'm a Silent Hill fan and I've just spent the whole review whining like a broken motor. Fans are clingy, complaining dip****s who will never ever be grateful for any concession you make. The moment you shut out their shrill, tremulous voices, the happier you'll be for it."

That could be us on the next update

I agree, I hope he leaves out the movement, even if he talks about the controversy. I can always use the laugh, too.

He does have a point about fans. Oy, does he. Lol. Though, BioWare has told us they wanted Mass Effect to continue, and even hocked DLC at the end of ME3 on a datapad, so that first sentence doesn't really apply to us. If BioWare told us, "No, we don't want to do this anymore," I'd respect that. But since we still have a chance, I'm gonna push as hard as I can. ;D

[FearTheLiving]

Great thread of information. This is exactly what I was thinking we needed, This 100s of different topics need this Hub of info to discuss within it. Show Bioware we're united. Hold the line!

[Quething]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

He does have a point about fans. Oy, does he. Lol. Though, BioWare has told us they wanted Mass Effect to continue, and even hocked DLC at the end of ME3 on a datapad, so that first sentence doesn't really apply to us. If BioWare told us, "No, we don't want to do this anymore," I'd respect that.

Haha, I wouldn't,  because I wouldn't believe it. Not after tie-in comics, DLC hocking, and how many novels now?

To me it's honestly the biggest problem with the endings - even above and beyond the thematic betrayal and total incoherence. Destroying the relays breaks the setting, and they've put so, so much time and asked us to put so, so much interest and loyalty into this vast, gorgeous, potential-laden setting. ME could have been the next Star Trek! Destroy the relays and it's like... if Kirk somehow erased warp technology in the finale of the original series. Makes it hard to offer up a plausible Picard after that.

[MaverickPerry]

/bump for great justice.

[Moirai]

It's a real shame that the 'ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread - Spoilers Allowed ' isn't being properly moderated. The whole thing is a mess of people arguing, having one-on-one discussions and posting either pointless 'I didn't like it' comments (which they know already) or requests for changes to game content other than the ending.

I don't think there are many in there that are at all appreciative of the fact that Jessica and Casey are not going to be able to dig out what few clear concise listed suggestions that are available from a couple of hundred pages of rambling nonsense... *sigh*

Maybe we'll see a 'fix' sometime next year...

[FyreSyder]

I shall dedicate myself to bumping this thread in the hope that SOMEONE from Bioware reads it and understands...We Will Hold The Line.

[FyreSyder]

So when do you think we can expect Bioware to say something? I don't mean more PR rubbish, I mean actual communication...?

[tettenjager]

KEEP THIS POST ALIVE!!!

[Wowlock]

This thread just be our hub really. Such a great and detailed one.

If this can't tell what we really want, I don't know whatelse can.

[Midz]

But is what you want productive ?

Video and PC games sales are slumping clearly some companies will go.

Thus the massive effort to expand the userbase failure to do so means no production .

Production costs have continued to rise while revenues sales have falllen overall .

The negative storm attached to the endings will probably effect sales this will probably the longer it continues lead to diminishing possibility of any revision as the economics of so doing make less sense .

Damned if you accept the ending
Damned if you dont .

A real dilemma .

.Bioware made an error of judgement ; the reaction is understandable but the reaction may result ( will result in my opinion ) in less and less possibility of change .

[freshtoothpaste]

Great post OP!

[Tzupi88]

https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true

Another excellent read that is worthy to be added to the OP.

EDIT: More links!

Every time someone says the original post is too much to go through proves us right. Holding the Line.

Modifié par Tzupi88, 18 mars 2012 - 05:10 .

[freshtoothpaste]

Bump

[Lichtgestaltt]

PedEgg wrote...

Here's another little comic about the grieving process after finishing the game:
www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/9476-Mass-Effect-3-The-Process

Thank you for that link, I had a really good laugh.

[Subject M]

Bumping this because I care.

[Flashlegend]

great post.

[mullinavat]

you just nailed all the problema with the ending perfectly and i too wouls be happy if they just explained all the stuff a bout the normandy crew flying away