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[DuneMuadDib]

 Didn't see this on the OP.  The customer is always right, why Bioware should change Mass Effect 3's Ending.

[Sanrei]

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."

After Muzyka's response I think it's very important that we politely remind them that a simple content update containing explanations of the current endings and a little bit of closure on our decisions isn't exactly what we're hoping for.

Again, it's nice that he responded but there are so many things about what was said and how he worded it that worries me. We have no victory yet.

Modifié par PedEgg, 23 mars 2012 - 05:30 .

[Eivuwan]

This really should be a sticky. Will bump to keep it in the front page.

[joshko]

Thanks for compiling this!

[RubiconI7]

PedEgg wrote...

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."

After Muzyka's response I think it's very important that we politely remind them that a simple content update containing explanations of the current endings and a little bit of closure on our decisions isn't exactly what we're hoping for.

Again, it's nice that he responded but there are so many things about what was said and how he worded it that worries me. We have no victory yet.

Exactly. I honestly hope what Dr. Muzyka has said is just PR Guidebook. I really would rather believe that they had carefully looked at our criticizms. 

We also need to realize that we must be civil lest they gain any other leverage on us. (they as in the mass media)

[Skybree]

Hey OP,

Sent you a PM, not sure how all that works though, Can you add New Zealand Banner to the list?

We are few ... but holding the line.

Kia Kaha!!

[sammysoso]

Great thread! Found a few articles I hadn't seen yet, we need to keep this near the top.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Skybree wrote...

Hey OP,

Sent you a PM, not sure how all that works though, Can you add New Zealand Banner to the list?

We are few ... but holding the line.

Kia Kaha!!

OH MY GOSH. Thank you. I've been searching up and down the forums for that banner for days!

Edit: I did get your PM, btw.

Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 23 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[Skybree]

Awesome - Wicked Post

Kia kaha! - hold the line

[Yakko77]

Holy Space Cow! That's a lot of references and sources in the OP. Just goes to show how this isn't just a vocal minority as some would like to dismiss it.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Aznable Char wrote...

I would suggest a very important thing regarding news articles . I suggest separating them into two categories:

1. news articles that reflect that the movement is gaining visibility (such as bbc fox etc covering the story)

2. news articles that give EDITORIAL COMMENTARY . Meaning these are articles by columnists who give opinion that "yes , this is why the fans are right"

i.e. the difference between "this is going on" and "this is the right way of going about it" since we can ease up on the hodgepodge by showing where to get strictly information on the size and scope and visibility and the other expert opinion on why this movement is headed in the right direction . That way people , if looking at this thread , can also more easily access those VERY important opinion articles that say the fans are right without having to go through so many articles on news sites that merely state "yeah , there's some trouble going on"

I fully support this initiative . I had spoken to the owner of the PR thread in hopes of making that a compilation . It's interesting they locked it down . I think we should find some way of salvaging all the relevant PR analysis data BEFORE the lockdown since NONE of that was locked down . As Priestly stated in the end of that thread , it was the accusations of "buying out reviewers" that locked the thread not the PR analysis . Salvaging the PR analysis is something I'll be doing off-site both on the war assets and on the facebook page but if we can get links to the individual threads that were not locked down , it is imperative that people here on the forum can see the previous information that was not under censure .

There are many different ways to break down these articles, but I've settled on one that I think will do the job. I'm going to divide them into a group that supports the fans/against the endings, a group that likes the endings the way they are, and a group that's neutral. Most of the neutral articles are the ones that are just like, "Blah blah in other news this is happening." The titles of the articles will give fans a gist of what to expect along with the respective color I'm assigning to each group.

I won't be compiling fan analyses of BioWare's PR moves, just fan analysis and reaction to the endings themselves. I'm not risking this thread being locked like all the others, as I believe that BioWare is trying to keep speculation about their intentions down to a minimum. Not a move I agree with, but I won't endanger this thread. Perhaps it would be safer to compile all that information into a Google document and put it in a group somewhere, so that the discussions can stay safe. As I've stated before, I think it's a highly relevant discussion, I just won't have any of it in here.

Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 23 mars 2012 - 06:10 .

[Kondorr]

What does Kia Kaha mean?

[naphthol]

high five.

[Bachi1230]

Kondorr wrote...

What does Kia Kaha mean?

It means "Be strong"

[mrpoultry]

Let me share a story:

I was in Blockbuster(december 2010) going to buy Fable 3, while I was lookin for it I saw Dragon Age Origins:Ultimate Edition as well as Fable 3. I really wanted F3 at that point but I noticed all the DLC was in DOAUE and it was cheaper by £5.
So I went with DOA, before I bought it I only saw my brother play it for 10 minutes, in my mind I was taking a gamble because I sort of knew what to expect with Fable and not with DA since I had only seen a bit of it.

I started my first playthrough, I played a city born elf rogue making mostly morally questionable choices( such as killing Wynne and co at Morrigan's request, killing the dalish elves, siding with Branka and defiling Andraste's ashes) you've proably guessed at this point that I romanced Morrigan( I didn't find Leliana on my first playthrough). I got up to the final boss fight with the Archdemon, hardly any health potions, no healing spells for Morrigan and no ranged weapons at all. So yeah, I was screwed so I had to start again.
My next playthrough was the completely opposite female human noble taking all the goody two shoes options. This time I finished the game( I didn't take the dark ritual) and sacrificed my character.
After that when the funeral scene and epilogue went by and I saw the credits rolling and all of the names of the  people that created that awesome game. There was one thought in my head:

That was worth it!

I came out feeling triumphant and satisfied beyond all measure, thinking I am proud of all those hours I poured into the game becuase my character's sacrifice was ultimately worth it.

Mass effect 3 on the other hand I sat there watching the credits rolling( thank you by the way to all those who did create ME3) thinking:

What was the point?

I was expecting to finish ME3 seeing what impact and consequences my choices would make on the galaxy after the war with the reapers( whether Shepard lived or died). In the end I just thought all those hours I put into the first two games were pointless and a waste of time.

I have a serious question not just to Bioware but everyone:

If you were a developer would you rather someone finish your game feeling that all the time they put into was ultimately worth it?

Obviously not everyone is dissatisfed with the ending/lack of closure and to them I say more power to you.
I am sorry if I appear spiteful but the destination is just as important as the journey.

Have a wonderful day everyone.

Modifié par mrpoultry, 23 mars 2012 - 08:18 .

[Sanrei]

@mrpoultry:

It most definitely needs to be worth it, and I have no doubt the developers believe the same. I know they want people to enjoy their work.

To this day the only videogames that have ever made me care enough to cry were Dragon Age and Mass Effect. I just wish when I had cried at the end of Mass Effect 3 that it wasn't because they had broken my heart.

And you actually come across very sincere and polite, at least to me.

Here's something silly I found a few minutes ago on reddit, concerning the created rising up against their creators: www.quickmeme.com/meme/3ofp9f/

Modifié par PedEgg, 23 mars 2012 - 09:28 .

[ThaDPG]

BUMP!

[Well]

mrpoultry wrote...

Let me share a story:

I was in Blockbuster(december 2010) going to buy Fable 3, while I was lookin for it I saw Dragon Age Origins:Ultimate Edition as well as Fable 3. I really wanted F3 at that point but I noticed all the DLC was in DOAUE and it was cheaper by £5.
So I went with DOA, before I bought it I only saw my brother play it for 10 minutes, in my mind I was taking a gamble because I sort of knew what to expect with Fable and not with DA since I had only seen a bit of it.

I started my first playthrough, I played a city born elf rogue making mostly morally questionable choices( such as killing Wynne and co at Morrigan's request, killing the dalish elves, siding with Branka and defiling Andraste's ashes) you've proably guessed at this point that I romanced Morrigan( I didn't find Leliana on my first playthrough). I got up to the final boss fight with the Archdemon, hardly any health potions, no healing spells for Morrigan and no ranged weapons at all. So yeah, I was screwed so I had to start again.
My next playthrough was the completely opposite female human noble taking all the goody two shoes options. This time I finished the game( I didn't take the dark ritual) and sacrificed my character.
After that when the funeral scene and epilogue went by and I saw the credits rolling and all of the names of the  people that created that awesome game. There was one thought in my head:

That was worth it!

I came out feeling triumphant and satisfied beyond all measure, thinking I am proud of all those hours I poured into the game becuase my character's sacrifice was ultimately worth it.

Mass effect 3 on the other hand I sat there watching the credits rolling( thank you by the way to all those who did create ME3) thinking:

What was the point?

I was expecting to finish ME3 seeing what impact and consequences my choices would make on the galaxy after the war with the reapers( whether Shepard lived or died). In the end I just thought all those hours I put into the first two games were pointless and a waste of time.

I have a serious question not just to Bioware but everyone:

If you were a developer would you rather someone finish your game feeling that all the time they put into was ultimately worth it?

Obviously not everyone is dissatisfed with the ending/lack of closure and to them I say more power to you.
I am sorry if I appear spiteful but the destination is just as important as the journey.

Have a wonderful day everyone.

I would want customer satisfaction.Loyalty is a two way street.As far as players who enjoyed the game.I glad they enjoyed their expierence.I can't say the same.Now me not buying their games or canceling my sub before this months payment won't hurt them.That isn't the point for me.They have lost credibility and so I don't trust them.I am a big DAO fan.Best game in years imho but after DA 2 and this well I can't see picking DA 3 up right away.If I get it at all.I really enjoyed DAO.It comes down to credibility.Right now BW has none with me.I sure they are losing sleep over it.Ok they aren't.Someone said it and it hits the nail on the head.Don't make promises you can't keep.As far as I'm concern it would fall more into the choose not to category.

[MrWats0n]

 Good job putting this comprehensive post together. This is how we shall hold the line, not by trolling! I salute you! o_o7

[Reptilian Rob]

MrWats0n wrote...

 Good job putting this comprehensive post together. This is how we shall hold the line, not by trolling! I salute you! o_o7

Haha! I love your smiley! 

[The Nur]

Some great stories and information in this thread. Keep up the good work!

Stay positive, people, and hold the line.

[Aznable Char]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

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luckily someone's already revamped the PR thread so that can remain stand alone unless you also want to link to that thread from here somehow . I like the organization so far

[Brightside8]

A great list and resource, particularly the links.
Bumpin' for great justice.

[SpeedDevil89]

I think it's safe to assume that most of us here would agree with you mrpoultry, I know that I certainly do. In my case, I have been a fan of Bioware since Neverwinter Nights, and a thing that kept me coming back to their games was that there were so many choices to make, and while some of them didn't really matter, the important ones would somehow affect the epilogue. It was really satisfying to know not only how my choices affected the present, but also the future. This is the reason why I keep playing their games even now, and I still find them extremely enjoyable, even if they are more than 10 years old.

I remember an article in a Greek PC games magazine when they were reviewing a BW game that was either coming out soon or had just been released (at that time) and one of the initial comments described BW as a company with a strong background in RPGs 'that has yet to release a bad title' and many regard Bioware as a company that 'can do no wrong' when it comes to RPGs. I believe that up until DA2 that held true, and while my opinion for DA2 was strongly influenced from DAO, i still found it highly enjoyable all the way to the end. It may not have prompted the same number of playthroughs as DAO, but still quite fun.

It would be unfair of anyone to say that ME3 is a bad title, and I regard it most definitely as the best game I have *ever* played. It probably is the only game that managed to trigger strong emotional responces on me because of the excellent story, the smart dialogues with your allies (probably many more to say here but I'm running out of ways to express them). I cannot say that they released a bad title because of the horrendous ending, but I will say that they did wrong there. This was not the way to give closure to the trilogy. I'm not going to suggest how they change it, it is their story to tell, but I trully find it hard to believe that this is the appropriate ending they envisioned for one of their most ambitious (as I see it) and most well received, even loved, creation.

[Lena Grozi]

Thank you for keeping this up. After the PR-damage control thread had been closed down, I needed a place that would keep me updated about media and news, and I was a little lost.