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[Panzer_89]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Organics and AIs: Coexistence Impossible?

Shepard is the one force in the galaxy that can finally end the Reaper threat. In the end he/she accepts the Guardian's options as his/her only options. He/she accepts the Guardian's logic that AIs will only ever destroy their creators. This is a soldier who has defied all odds and got the quarians and geth to work together peacefully. Shepard knows that the geth are perfectly willing to co-exist peacefully. Despite all this, Shepard has no choice in the matter? He/she must either destroy them, control them, or forcibly (with no one else's consent) merge the two? This makes no sense, and is out of character for Shepard, who is naturally an inquisitive being that always wants to find the best path for everyone.

You hit on my main talking point and for that I thank you immensely. For a character that's earned a hardcore rep for doing the impossible and never saying die, Shep rolling over and accepting the fact that someone is getting the shaft AND that he'll/she'll probably die is very, VERY hard for me to accept.

And my other fav point being to prevent you from being killed by synthetics Starkid makes synthetics to kill you.

[Sanrei]

fhhakansson.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/mass-effect-3-ending-dlc.png

Found this on reddit.

I wonder if people tweeting Mass Effect telling them how much they love the game/ending are told or hinted that there are fans out there who disagree with them?

Modifié par PedEgg, 31 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[Reptilian Rob]

PedEgg wrote...

fhhakansson.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/mass-effect-3-ending-dlc.png

Found this on reddit.

I wonder if people tweeting Mass Effect telling them how much they love the game/ending are told or hinted that there are fans out there who disagree with them?

LOL @ "Mixed" reaction.

Goddamn they are clueless. 

[corporal doody]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

PedEgg wrote...

fhhakansson.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/mass-effect-3-ending-dlc.png

Found this on reddit.

I wonder if people tweeting Mass Effect telling them how much they love the game/ending are told or hinted that there are fans out there who disagree with them?

LOL @ "Mixed" reaction.

Goddamn they are clueless. 

i dunno man.....i think a lot of the VOCAL people denonucing aspects of the game are on BSN and in some other forums. They are not the majority...but make enough noise people have no choice but to take notice. Im reminded of the skinking dirty drunk homeless that just crapped himself and sits down next to you on the park bench and he starts rambling about his shoes being stolen by the toothfairy.

Im pretty sure the majority never bother to post in forums or tweet or upload vids on youtube...either to praise or to besmirch.

Mixed reactions is fair....though not entirely accurate.

Modifié par corporal doody, 31 mars 2012 - 07:24 .

[Craigolas]

bump

[Sanrei]

My whole point with them responding like that is it just seems so passive aggressive.

If I praised them I'd probably get an enthusiastic thank you, not "To be honest we're getting mixed reviews."

I understand the concept of selling and not bashing your own product but would it kill them to say something along the lines of: Sorry you feel that way, you can provide detailed feedback in the forums?

When someone comes forward to me to tell me they had a bad experience with my company I don't point out all the people who are just fine with our service, I either try to help them or I point them in the right direction.

Sorry.. I'm getting off topic. It's just they do this and then they wonder why people are getting upset.
Bump? xS

[lothvamp]

I don't think this was addressed in the OP, and it's a fairly minor issue next to all the other problems with the ending, but is it off topic to suggest mentioning the whole "have to play multiplayer to get the 'best' ending" thing? Because I certainly don't want MP to have ANY kind of effect on my single player experience. And I'm pretty sure the devs made that promise, as well as many others...

[Sanrei]

lothvamp wrote...

I don't think this was addressed in the OP, and it's a fairly minor issue next to all the other problems with the ending, but is it off topic to suggest mentioning the whole "have to play multiplayer to get the 'best' ending" thing? Because I certainly don't want MP to have ANY kind of effect on my single player experience. And I'm pretty sure the devs made that promise, as well as many others...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9665384

I don't know if you've seen this but they're firm on the fact that they did not lie concerning not needing to do MP.

I remember an interview with one of Bioware staff where they said that you would be able to have the full range of ending options with SP alone, but so far that hasn't been the case for a lot of people, and they've(staff) been a bit tight-lipped last I saw as to what's going on. I know I'm confused, because I had both and ME and ME2 import and I did every side mission I could find and while I maxed out my ems bar(it was as green as synthesis man) the total was still less than what I needed to get the Shepard lives ending.

Modifié par PedEgg, 31 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[Madecologist]

Yes, I am glad it is finally coming up. A few thread have popped up in the regular General Discussion sub-forums and we had one or two of them pop up in this sub-forum.

The issue is I think the best someone can get is the high 7Ks. One way or another if you don't MP you will have 0 promoted MP character and a Readiness of 50%. Which means you will be shy of 4K EMS (most players report getting up to 3.7K to 3.8K EMS in the most completionist (without MP) playthroughs). So you can't get the 'Shepard is alive Easter Egg' ending to the Destroy ending without doing some MP first.

Admitting it is more of an Easter Egg thing, it still stands as being an ending. It gives information to the player (Shepard lives), but it is not achievable without MP. So yeah, "you can get all possible endings with SP alone' is a big f** lie!

I am going to back up the train a little and mention something, even the most MP catering FPS does not have the MP effect the SP. Easter Egg unlocks occur when you finish at the hardest difficulties or if you find all the hidden bits in the SP game (like Halo's skulls and Precusor data fragments). So this what we see in ME is not just an insult to RPG or RPG hybrids, it is an outright insult to any gamer.

I pretty sure even Halo fans would be pissed if you told them they had to do 10 team death matches before all the endings unlock. Even in Halo 4, you can earn credits in SP modes and the unlocks were cosmetic only (considering this is an FPS... you rarely see your character anyways in SP). The fact we players of a story driven game that uses the term RPG in its genre should accept this... no. I say: NO!

Modifié par Madecologist, 31 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[nytraven]

OMG I might have to subscribe to Forbes after this Isn't it weird that a business magazine is treating us better than gaming mags and sites?

[hosen17]

Very informative!

[Ibn_Shisha]

Interested to see how PAX plays out. Hopefully there will be some good independent coverage. Somehow I doubt official videos will show much in the way of criticism. More likely we'll see the panel congratulating each other, and lots of shots of cosplayers to show us how popular it is and how "most" people love it. 10 bucks says the panel will at some point mention all the "perfect scores" again, too.

My post from the PAX thread:

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

Wish I could make it. I have pair of red pants I could wear with a green shirt over a blue thermal. I'd probably look like a Tuatha'an, and I doubt I'd get "moved to the front" like the cosplayers (more likely the opposite), but hopefully at least someone would notice and take the point.

[Ibn_Shisha]

Madecologist wrote...

Yes, I am glad it is finally coming up. A few thread have popped up in the regular General Discussion sub-forums and we had one or two of them pop up in this sub-forum.

The issue is I think the best someone can get is the high 7Ks. One way or another if you don't MP you will have 0 promoted MP character and a Readiness of 50%. Which means you will be shy of 4K EMS (most players report getting up to 3.7K to 3.8K EMS in the most completionist (without MP) playthroughs). So you can't get the 'Shepard is alive Easter Egg' ending to the Destroy ending without doing some MP first.

Admitting it is more of an Easter Egg thing, it still stands as being an ending. It gives information to the player (Shepard lives), but it is not achievable without MP. So yeah, "you can get all possible endings with SP alone' is a big f** lie!

I am going to back up the train a little and mention something, even the most MP catering FPS does not have the MP effect the SP. Easter Egg unlocks occur when you finish at the hardest difficulties or if you find all the hidden bits in the SP game (like Halo's skulls and Precusor data fragments). So this what we see in ME is not just an insult to RPG or RPG hybrids, it is an outright insult to any gamer.

I pretty sure even Halo fans would be pissed if you told them they had to do 10 team death matches before all the endings unlock. Even in Halo 4, you can earn credits in SP modes and the unlocks were cosmetic only (considering this is an FPS... you rarely see your character anyways in SP). The fact we players of a story driven game that uses the term RPG in its genre should accept this... no. I say: NO!

It seemed like they were addressing this.  Over St. Patty's weekend I think they had base GR% up to 73 at one point?  Now we're back down to 58.  Not sure what the whole point of tweaking the GR on a daily basis is.

[Ibn_Shisha]

corporal doody wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

PedEgg wrote...

fhhakansson.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/mass-effect-3-ending-dlc.png

Found this on reddit.

I wonder if people tweeting Mass Effect telling them how much they love the game/ending are told or hinted that there are fans out there who disagree with them?

LOL @ "Mixed" reaction.

Goddamn they are clueless. 

i dunno man.....i think a lot of the VOCAL people denonucing aspects of the game are on BSN and in some other forums. They are not the majority...but make enough noise people have no choice but to take notice. Im reminded of the skinking dirty drunk homeless that just crapped himself and sits down next to you on the park bench and he starts rambling about his shoes being stolen by the toothfairy.

Im pretty sure the majority never bother to post in forums or tweet or upload vids on youtube...either to praise or to besmirch.

Mixed reactions is fair....though not entirely accurate.

I think the dissatisfaction goes deeper than EAware or the pro-enders like to admit.  Everyone I know personally who has played (all of whom have played at least 2, several having played 1 like myself) agrees with me about the ending.  However, I am the only one on here, or posting on their fb, or tweeting.  Unless major action is taken in April, I have a feeling their next rpg release will take a major sales hit, especially when it comes to pre-orders.  If that next rpg is DA3, well, I've heard their already talking about "multiplayer options..."

[AlviseVenice]

Very interesting post ! Hold the line !!!!!!!
Bump

[Sanrei]

A redditor has created their own little survey for Mass Effect and the ending, if some of you would like to take it to pass the time or maybe just for science.

www.surveymonkey.com/s/JVVTNBN

Here is the reddit thread, in case you have any questions about some of the questions/answers or want to find out what the results are like:

www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/rmquk/stand_up_and_be_counted_please_take_this_10/

(the link above is the non /r/masseffect survey. there is a link to the /r/masseffect survey in the reddit thread)

Modifié par PedEgg, 31 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[Apathy1989]

Bump for great justice.

[Jadebaby]

bump for a report in, victorian vanguards ready for deployment!

[Ibn_Shisha]

I wonder if any (meaningful) statement will come out of Pax.

Bump

[CDRSkyShepard]

I've been researching for both new articles and aircraft performance data today! I will edit the OP tomorrow evening. It's gonna be good. I have several new sections for the "Grievances" header, including one that I just realized a few days ago...

THERE IS NO CLIMAX IN ME3.

I was shocked to realize it, but it's true. Pretty much after Thessia, the plot stagnates and there is no proper climax. I think this is a real issue.

Ibn_Shisha, I'm so stealing that Normandy banner. Because she DOES deserve a better ending. Poor girl...

[Apathy1989]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

I've been researching for both new articles and aircraft performance data today! I will edit the OP tomorrow evening. It's gonna be good. I have several new sections for the "Grievances" header, including one that I just realized a few days ago...

THERE IS NO CLIMAX IN ME3.

I was shocked to realize it, but it's true. Pretty much after Thessia, the plot stagnates and there is no proper climax. I think this is a real issue.

Ibn_Shisha, I'm so stealing that Normandy banner. Because she DOES deserve a better ending. Poor girl...

Well the climax is meant to be the reapers dying, but all climaxes need context and consequence to follow them. After Thessia it is talking to the asari councillor, talking to liara and swear to do better to everyone. There is none of this in the current ending. Everything blows up, credits roll. 

[CDRSkyShepard]

Apathy1989 wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

I've been researching for both new articles and aircraft performance data today! I will edit the OP tomorrow evening. It's gonna be good. I have several new sections for the "Grievances" header, including one that I just realized a few days ago...

THERE IS NO CLIMAX IN ME3.

I was shocked to realize it, but it's true. Pretty much after Thessia, the plot stagnates and there is no proper climax. I think this is a real issue.

Ibn_Shisha, I'm so stealing that Normandy banner. Because she DOES deserve a better ending. Poor girl...

Well the climax is meant to be the reapers dying, but all climaxes need context and consequence to follow them. After Thessia it is talking to the asari councillor, talking to liara and swear to do better to everyone. There is none of this in the current ending. Everything blows up, credits roll. 

Yeah, there is no resolution, but there is also no climax...no real building action after Thessia.

In the hero's journey, there's supposed to be a low point - a feeling of hopelessness in the plot - before the rising action occurs, leading to the climax, the triumph, then to the resolution. We have that low point, Thessia, but after that, the action rises up a bit with Cronos Station, but it plateaus after that. There's no epic big fight, and no build to an epic, big, climatic battle. All there is, is you trying to reach the Citadel while dodging Harby. There's no final push, no big rallying moment, no crescendo. There's kind of a fake climax with all the stuff happening in the ending cutscenes, but you don't have anything building up to that moment. It kind of takes you by surprise and makes you think, "That's it?" I think that's why a lot of us feel like the endings are so empty and meaningless. There really was no rising action and climax to the story. It all kind of plateaued after Thessia. Then we hit yet another low point after the ending. It's just so dissatisfying on so many levels.

[Reptilian Rob]

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

I wonder if any (meaningful) statement will come out of Pax.

Bump

Probably not.

[Apathy1989]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Yeah, there is no resolution, but there is also no climax...no real building action after Thessia.

In the hero's journey, there's supposed to be a low point - a feeling of hopelessness in the plot - before the rising action occurs, leading to the climax, the triumph, then to the resolution. We have that low point, Thessia, but after that, the action rises up a bit with Cronos Station, but it plateaus after that. There's no epic big fight, and no build to an epic, big, climatic battle. All there is, is you trying to reach the Citadel while dodging Harby. There's no final push, no big rallying moment, no crescendo. There's kind of a fake climax with all the stuff happening in the ending cutscenes, but you don't have anything building up to that moment. It kind of takes you by surprise and makes you think, "That's it?" I think that's why a lot of us feel like the endings are so empty and meaningless. There really was no rising action and climax to the story. It all kind of plateaued after Thessia. Then we hit yet another low point after the ending. It's just so dissatisfying on so many levels.

I suppose that is true. The cinematic explosion is not enough to provide a climax, we need a boss fight or something. 

I vote harbinger boss fight. 

[SpeedDevil89]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Yeah, there is no resolution, but there is also no climax...no real building action after Thessia.

In
the hero's journey, there's supposed to be a low point - a feeling of
hopelessness in the plot - before the rising action occurs, leading to
the climax, the triumph, then to the resolution. We have that low point,
Thessia, but after that, the action rises up a bit with Cronos Station,
but it plateaus after that. There's no epic big fight, and no build to
an epic, big, climatic battle. All there is, is you trying to reach the
Citadel while dodging Harby. There's no final push, no big rallying
moment, no crescendo. There's kind of a fake climax with all the stuff
happening in the ending cutscenes, but you don't have anything building
up to that moment. It kind of takes you by surprise and makes you think,
"That's it?" I think that's why a lot of us feel like the endings are
so empty and meaningless. There really was no rising action and climax
to the story. It all kind of plateaued after Thessia. Then we hit yet another low point after the ending. It's just so dissatisfying on so many levels.

I won't pretend that I have any clue about storytelling, my mind is too technical to understand or care to understand much about that stuff. What I wanted to say though, was that after Cronos Station there is rising action from the point you leave the FOB, leading to the final push to the reaper beam. I'd say that from that point onwards is where the story progression fails. As for climax, I think the closest thing to it is confrontation with the Illusive Man, or the scenes where you approach your final choice (ever), but then the story ends abruptly.

Now what I said mostly comes from the blog post "All that Matters is the Ending", as best as I understand it and remember (as I said, mind too technical to understand or keep such info )