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[Ibn_Shisha]

Rage starting to simmer down in the afternoon? Just read chobot's comments:

http://www.ign.com/blogs/jess-ign

We are "babsolutly(?) entitled" whiners for having issues with the ending.  Which, in the same post, she admits to not having reached yet.

Modifié par Ibn_Shisha, 02 avril 2012 - 08:29 .

[Sanrei]

I made a mistake by entering into the thread about her blog post... that turned into a ****storm very quickly.

I still haven't read it for myself because I refuse to give her or IGN hits atm. Thankfully other people have quoted her(babsolutely? Must be a typo right? Because the letters are right next to eachother... Haha.).

Modifié par PedEgg, 02 avril 2012 - 09:30 .

[Ibn_Shisha]

PedEgg wrote...

I made a mistake by entering into the thread about her blog post... that turned into a ****storm very quickly.

I still haven't read it for myself because I refuse to give her or IGN hits atm. Thankfully other people have quoted her(babsolutely? Must be a typo right? Because the letters are right next to eachother... Haha.).

If I remember, correctly, no "e" .  babsolutly.  Perhaps she had vodka on the mind?  Not going to bother going back to look, but I think that was it.

[Ibn_Shisha]

The thread I think you are referring to is gone now. I found it on a thread that originally was about feeling sorry for her, lol. Needless to say, that has mostly changed.

[Sanrei]

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

The thread I think you are referring to is gone now. I found it on a thread that originally was about feeling sorry for her, lol. Needless to say, that has mostly changed.

It's about time.

The popular sentiment was: Why do we care about what she says?

Some people were insulting her on various levels, and then you had a handful of people saying that she was right and inciting arguments. It was a mess.

Hopefully that isn't what the thread you found will turn into.

[Madecologist]

I have some good news, well can be seen as good news.

Now as you many know so called game 'journalists' have been having a fun time making fun of us. Heck Destructoid liked ripping into us for days without end on their stream videos, and constant editorials that varied from somewhat harsh (on a good day) to outright offensive.

Well one of them sort of came around.... to be fair he probably was less bad than some of his collegues, but not by much and did have his fair shair of highly offensive comments against the fanbase. But... he.. did 90 degree turn (not a 180, but still a shift).

Comments he made were:

- Yes the Ending was terrible.

- Fan can complain and they can 'ask' for quality.

- Though a studio can choose to not change a ending, nothing stops them from doing it if they do want to. Also pissing off fans too much can be bad for business.

- He does say games are art, but art can be changed and there is no taboo in changing one's own art. It stays art, and art is about expression so really there is no rule that dictates what you can and can not do.

- He admits that at first he thought we were just a bunch of whinners that just wanted a happy ending, but after further investigation realises as a whole we just want a proper ending and that our complaints and requests are mostly reasonable (however, he still mentions he doesn't agree with people that just want a happy ending).

- He also makes a huge point that video games tend to have crappy endings in general and that perhaps video game studios will place serious thoughts in having proper and good quality endings in the future (though he doubts it will have an effect, one can always try).

I think this is important because someone that was clearly oppossed to us and works at a site thet actively insulted us coming around a little and saying we do have legitimate reasons and requests, and that changing the end would not be 'destroying art'. Heck even says perhaps Bioware should do it.

It should be noted he doesn't believe the fans should dictate what the ending should be, it is still Bioware's choice what the endings will be. However, by all means we can ask for a better and proper ending.

I am referring to Jim Sterling and the Jimquisition up on the Escapist Magazine. All in all, I consider his latest video a small step in the right direction and a small victory to us.

Modifié par Madecologist, 02 avril 2012 - 10:20 .

[Sanrei]

Madecologist wrote...

I have some good news, well can be seen as good news.

Now as you many know so called game 'journalists' have been having a fun time making fun of us. Heck Destructoid liked ripping into us for days without end on their stream videos, and constant editorials that varied from somewhat harsh (on a good day) to outright offensive.

Well one of them sort of came around.... to be fair he probably was less bad than some of his collegues, but not by much and did have his fair shair of highly offensive comments against the fanbase. But... he.. did 90 degree turn (not a 180, but still a shift).

Comments he made were:

- Yes the Ending was terrible.

- Fan can complain and they can 'ask' for quality.

- Though a studio can choose to not change a ending, nothing stops them from doing it if they do want to. Also pissing off fans too much can be bad for business.

- He does say games are art, but art can be changed and there is no taboo in changing one's own art. It stays art, and art is about expression so really there is no rule that dictates what you can and can not do.

- He admits that at first he thought we were just a bunch of whinners that just wanted a happy ending, but after further investigation realises as a whole we just want a proper ending and that our complaints and requests are mostly reasonable (however, he still mentions he doesn't agree with people that just want a happy ending).

- He also makes a huge point that video games tend to have crappy endings in general and that perhaps video game studios will place serious thoughts in having proper and good quality endings in the future (though he doubts it will have an effect, one can always try).

I think this is important because someone that was clearly oppossed to us and works at a site thet actively insulted us coming around a little and saying we do have legitimate reasons and requests, and that changing the end would not be 'destroying art'. Heck even says perhaps Bioware should do it.

It should be noted he doesn't believe the fans should dictate what the ending should be, it is still Bioware's choice what the endings will be. However, by all means we can ask for a better and proper ending.

I am referring to Jim Sterling and the Jimquisition up on the Escapist Magazine. All in all, I consider his latest video a small step in the right direction and a small victory to us.

Wow. Jim? Really?

He was one of the last people I expected to ease up on the fans, after seeing him gobbling on a sonic doll in the shower as a way of pantomiming the retake movement.

I would definately count that as a victory.

I do agree with him when it comes to the fans 'writing' the ending. Mass Effect fans made their own story but always within the limits of what Bioware set for Shepard. It's always been this way, it's just that they've always put a lot of care, detail and variety into what kind of person Shepard could be. The corral was shrunk a bit for the third game but by the time the end came around it was practically on a rail.

Telling Bioware, "This is why the ending is bad, fix that and we're good, we trust you to make it right" is a lot different from trying to take control of the story(and to be honest, when I look through the suggested changes thread I see some people getting very detailed in how the game should end which I feel may be counterproductive).

[Sanrei]

You monsters. You can give me a crappy ending and day one DLC, but this?!

All in good fun. Still. Why Bioware? Why?

Modifié par PedEgg, 02 avril 2012 - 11:30 .

[mannyclouds]

 Personally i dont care if i have a choice in the ending wat i want is wat was promised my desisions making an impact, i mean where are my 2k vorcha or my blue suns vets, where are my eclipse mechs or my krogan battalions? Where are the geth primes, Asari comandos, elcor tanks, drell assassins, the volus bombing fleet?

what was the point of  aquiring all these assets and not using them? 

I will be perfectly happy with the iradication ending aslong as i see all these things. And no god child.

[Apathy1989]

Madecologist wrote...

I have some good news, well can be seen as good news.

Now as you many know so called game 'journalists' have been having a fun time making fun of us. Heck Destructoid liked ripping into us for days without end on their stream videos, and constant editorials that varied from somewhat harsh (on a good day) to outright offensive.

Well one of them sort of came around.... to be fair he probably was less bad than some of his collegues, but not by much and did have his fair shair of highly offensive comments against the fanbase. But... he.. did 90 degree turn (not a 180, but still a shift).

Comments he made were:

- Yes the Ending was terrible.

- Fan can complain and they can 'ask' for quality.

- Though a studio can choose to not change a ending, nothing stops them from doing it if they do want to. Also pissing off fans too much can be bad for business.

- He does say games are art, but art can be changed and there is no taboo in changing one's own art. It stays art, and art is about expression so really there is no rule that dictates what you can and can not do.

- He admits that at first he thought we were just a bunch of whinners that just wanted a happy ending, but after further investigation realises as a whole we just want a proper ending and that our complaints and requests are mostly reasonable (however, he still mentions he doesn't agree with people that just want a happy ending).

- He also makes a huge point that video games tend to have crappy endings in general and that perhaps video game studios will place serious thoughts in having proper and good quality endings in the future (though he doubts it will have an effect, one can always try).

I think this is important because someone that was clearly oppossed to us and works at a site thet actively insulted us coming around a little and saying we do have legitimate reasons and requests, and that changing the end would not be 'destroying art'. Heck even says perhaps Bioware should do it.

It should be noted he doesn't believe the fans should dictate what the ending should be, it is still Bioware's choice what the endings will be. However, by all means we can ask for a better and proper ending.

I am referring to Jim Sterling and the Jimquisition up on the Escapist Magazine. All in all, I consider his latest video a small step in the right direction and a small victory to us.

Nice.

I would agree most video game endings are bad. However most video game writing is bad aswell, so you would expect bioware to be above this across the board.

PedEgg wrote...

You monsters. You can give me a crappy ending and day one DLC, but this?!

All in good fun. Still. Why Bioware? Why?

As cool as he is, I don't expect most VAs are kept in any sort of loop. Based on the VAs interviews, you can tell none/few of them actually play Mass Effect.

I'm more surprised that bioware didn't even ask, since he is such a big name and apparently keen on the (fairly minor) role.

[Madecologist]

Still, though true most VA don't actually partake in the product they play a part it. When it comes to sci-fi actors or actors that did any sci-fi they tend to like the fans a lot. They usually really enjoy it. So I am sure he did like his character and liked the attention he got from fans who reconise him for it.

He probably wouldn't have cared much if he was told the truth, but I am pretty sure he would have had a 'well that was lame' moment if he knew the character he protrayed was killed off "off camera" in an in game email. Actors still take their work seriously.

I remember the actor that played Marcus in the TV show B5 was pissed off his character was killed off only to find out that the character he saved in the show had the actress leave the show (thus his character's sacrifice was moot from a meta perspective).

Admittingly this was just a small role Adam had in ME, but still being killed 'off camera' and not even telling them that it was done is kind of an insult to them.

Modifié par Madecologist, 02 avril 2012 - 11:57 .

[petipas4141]

Jim Sterling was a major victory. We're one step closer to finding out the true ending.

[MKantor]

I am extremely impressed by the first post in this thread. That is dedication to a cause.

Modifié par MKantor, 03 avril 2012 - 12:23 .

[Ibn_Shisha]

Keep it at the top people.

[Sanrei]

Hahah, guys, I wasn't being serious(melodramatic mostly). Although later on in the thread someone mentioned they talked to him and he had found out and suggested they could write a letter to Bioware about it.

Anyway, someone found an old Game Informer article with a story on the then upcoming game, Mass Effect 3 and they found some interesting quotes from the article.

[Apathy1989]

PedEgg wrote...

Hahah, guys, I wasn't being serious(melodramatic mostly). Although later on in the thread someone mentioned they talked to him and he had found out and suggested they could write a letter to Bioware about it.

Anyway, someone found an old Game Informer article with a story on the then upcoming game, Mass Effect 3 and they found some interesting quotes from the article.

The amount of quotes counter to what was delivered is depressing to be honest.

[MikeC99]

Arggghhhh! Old timer's disease! Posted this in the wrong thread! here is belonging to be, yes.

http://www.thevine.c...CFeFMpgodP1v6ww

Post from Oz - oldie but still a goodie, reckon.
cheers
MikeC

[MikeC99]

Just got another local (ie Oz) one:

http://www.abc.net.a.../02/3469168.htm

cheers
MikeC

[Raynulf]

Bump.

Yep, that's all. (Expounding upon the mountain of plot holes is not really needed at this point - I'm pretty sure the folks at Bioware are aware of them, and the fact that we noticed).

[Sanrei]

Interesting..


EDIT: I don't speak the language but from what I gather nothing is there that wasn't in Muzyka's blog it was just put in more definite or blunt terms. (Which they should have done from the start but I guess the point of his post was to try to calm people down)

I'm going to sit tight until they make their announcement but my expectations are.. low.

Modifié par PedEgg, 03 avril 2012 - 09:26 .

[sgtReaper117]

Its all here. Please listen BioWare

[Sanrei]

Bump

[Sanrei]

Here's a twitter exchange between Mass Effect and someone questioning about that Latin article.

[Cobra's_back]

bump Excellent

[Yougottawanna]

If you're looking for even more videos, the guy that made the video review of the ending (me) made a video about the indoctrination theory, and it's here: www.youtube.com/watch