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#1502
Posté 04 mai 2012 - 05:08
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Oh my this has been down for far too long.
#1503
Posté 04 mai 2012 - 09:29
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PedEgg wrote...
Oh my this has been down for far too long.
I guess Sky really is the glue that holds the thread together
#1504
Posté 05 mai 2012 - 01:24
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Well, I'll try to keep the pieces all in one place for when she gets back, lol.
#1506
Posté 05 mai 2012 - 05:59
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I try! I need to post this in a bunch more places so it gets more traffic. But the forums as a whole are dying down a bit, too. So there is that.unoriginalname1133 wrote...
PedEgg wrote...
Oh my this has been down for far too long.
I guess Sky really is the glue that holds the thread together
I'm now packing up getting ready to move out of my house, so I'll probably only be on in the evenings. Google docs has also decided to start being a butt, so I'm in the process of editing the Word version of the OP so that I make sure it's got everything in it. That Google Docs issue gave me such a headache yesterday...I was unable to access my term paper, and I had to re-write half of it. <_< *Le sigh* But it's all good. Luckily my prof was understanding...good thing he's the person who has taught me all I know about human error. XD
PedEgg! Hold down the fort! Lol.
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Posté 05 mai 2012 - 06:28
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I'm so confused right now, lol.CDRSkyShepard wrote...
I try! I need to post this in a bunch more places so it gets more traffic. But the forums as a whole are dying down a bit, too. So there is that.unoriginalname1133 wrote...
PedEgg wrote...
Oh my this has been down for far too long.
I guess Sky really is the glue that holds the thread together
I'm now packing up getting ready to move out of my house, so I'll probably only be on in the evenings. Google docs has also decided to start being a butt, so I'm in the process of editing the Word version of the OP so that I make sure it's got everything in it. That Google Docs issue gave me such a headache yesterday...I was unable to access my term paper, and I had to re-write half of it. <_< *Le sigh* But it's all good. Luckily my prof was understanding...good thing he's the person who has taught me all I know about human error. XD
PedEgg! Hold down the fort! Lol.
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Posté 05 mai 2012 - 08:09
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Wry?Reptilian Rob wrote...
I'm so confused right now, lol.
#1509
Posté 06 mai 2012 - 12:05
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Hmmm, this thread isn't on page 1, this is a problem.
Problem-solving bump
Problem-solving bump
#1510
Posté 06 mai 2012 - 12:09
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Can't believe I missed this. Thanks for the bump.
#1511
Posté 06 mai 2012 - 05:57
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Found this, not sure if it's on the list yet.
http://social.biowar...96/blog/211763/
I wrote a long comment on it which I pasted below.
The problem is there are two kinds of genre and they both get Lumped under Science Fiction(SciFi). The first one is of course SciFi which Mass Effect series was right up until the end. In SciFi it is basically a Socratic exercise where everything must maintain internal logical consistency and the laws of nature/physics are the same few a few clearly defined differences. In the case of ME it was the addition of Ezzo element which allowed for the Mass Effect and all the tech that naturally flowed from the ability to manipulate gravity fields.
The other genre which gets lumped into SciFi is Science Fantasy(SciFa). This is a world of "Space Magic" where anything can happen and everything is just accepted with a hand wave. The original Star Wars movies are classic examples of SciFa. There is no attempt to explain how hyperdrive works, how the Death star can blow up a planet or what type of energy those beams are, cause they are not lasers. Heck even Luke's reaction to the Force when training with Yoda is that it's impossible because it makes no logical sense. Or what the lightsaber is and how it works. And so on with a ton of other things.
If you try to bring up any of these comments a lot of fans of SW would likely say "Who cares it's not real." and in this case they would be correct. In Science Fantasy where anything can happen, like a giant space worm that lives in an asteroid, the technology is there simply to propel the story forward. Hyperdrive to get them around, Lightsabers for futuristic sword fights, and Force for Futuristic space wizards. The details don't really matter in SciFa anymore then they do in Lord of the Rings where it's like how do the rings work, why does it matter if a human without male parts stabs a Nazgul, how does Souramon create a whole new race of Uriki out of mud, and so on. None of these questions matter because it's FANTASY where anything can happen and the excuse "It's magic" is completely acceptable.
There is an old writer's saying "The difference between writing Fiction and Non-Fiction is Fiction has to sound believable." This is met to express how real life can sometimes seem unbelievable but also goes to the heart of the problem with SciFi vs SciFa. There is a difference between Fiction and Fantasy which applies to all writing. When people go to the Fantasy section they know they are about to be submerged into a world of magic were the laws a physics and the real world need not apply. Where as someone going to the fiction section knows they are getting a story that is not real but it exist in a world similar to our own where the same rules apply.
However thanks in part to the SciFi and SciFa genres being new when stories involving space and futuristic tech starting coming out they were obviously works of fiction but didn't fit in the existing genres so the new one of SciFi was created. It has stayed pretty much stayed as one in the mindset of pop culture as those outside the genres don't really care and those within often overlap in their interest.
However this unclear divide is often the source of much debate between those who like SciFi and those who like SciFa. They don't agree on what makes good Science Fiction where you have some saying the details of the world matter, others say they don't matter cause it's not real, and so on. A lot of the comments made would the exact same if you heard fans of the Fiction and Fantasy genres arguing if they were all lumped under Fiction but we don't because it's clearly defined they are different and so both sides agree to do their own thing. SciFa fans often reference how they don't like curtain SciFi because it is too technical and not enough action. While SciFi fans often talk about SciFa as being boring action with lots of Space magic.
That is not to say that one group won't like anything in the other group's genre. Most people like stories from multiple genres even though they tend to have a favorite genre. In the case of SciFi vs SciFa though this ends up muddying the waters even more. As even a lot of writers don't know the difference an ultimate fall flat on their face by putting in elements that clearly don't belong. The most famous I think is George Lucus trying to add SciFi into SciFa by explaining what the force was as bacteria. It would be like Tolkin trying to explain with know physics how any of the magical things that existed in his world would work in our world.
The reverse can happen to as SciFa elements get thrown into a SciFi story. In most cases when this happens fans can overlook it if the element is small and not universe altering, they accept it as something slightly out of place but not worthy of further attention. However when these items are major universe altering introductions in a world based on laws and physics like our own the fans are right to demand details on just how exactly this item works. Because they are involved in a Science FICTION story and not a Science FANTASY story.
This is where the ending of ME3 falls flat on it's face as it's jump genres right at the end. It would be like going to a Romantic Comedy and at the end finding it out it was a Horror movie when Jason shows up and kills everyone. The studio and director can claim artistic integrity all they want but when they market the film as Romantic Comedy and then have a gory death for everyone at the end they shouldn't be surprised that people come out of the movie feeling bad and pissed that they were mislead.
EDIT: I think this describes the SciFi vs SciFa pretty well. http://en.wikipedia....Science_fantasy
http://social.biowar...96/blog/211763/
I wrote a long comment on it which I pasted below.
If or anyone thinks exploding Mass Relays is "good" SCIENCE Fiction and yes, I understand it is fiction so, there is a good amount of leeway given to "space magic" such as oh, "Mass Effect fields" it still has to be explained and follow rules of physics, even made up ones.
The problem is there are two kinds of genre and they both get Lumped under Science Fiction(SciFi). The first one is of course SciFi which Mass Effect series was right up until the end. In SciFi it is basically a Socratic exercise where everything must maintain internal logical consistency and the laws of nature/physics are the same few a few clearly defined differences. In the case of ME it was the addition of Ezzo element which allowed for the Mass Effect and all the tech that naturally flowed from the ability to manipulate gravity fields.
The other genre which gets lumped into SciFi is Science Fantasy(SciFa). This is a world of "Space Magic" where anything can happen and everything is just accepted with a hand wave. The original Star Wars movies are classic examples of SciFa. There is no attempt to explain how hyperdrive works, how the Death star can blow up a planet or what type of energy those beams are, cause they are not lasers. Heck even Luke's reaction to the Force when training with Yoda is that it's impossible because it makes no logical sense. Or what the lightsaber is and how it works. And so on with a ton of other things.
If you try to bring up any of these comments a lot of fans of SW would likely say "Who cares it's not real." and in this case they would be correct. In Science Fantasy where anything can happen, like a giant space worm that lives in an asteroid, the technology is there simply to propel the story forward. Hyperdrive to get them around, Lightsabers for futuristic sword fights, and Force for Futuristic space wizards. The details don't really matter in SciFa anymore then they do in Lord of the Rings where it's like how do the rings work, why does it matter if a human without male parts stabs a Nazgul, how does Souramon create a whole new race of Uriki out of mud, and so on. None of these questions matter because it's FANTASY where anything can happen and the excuse "It's magic" is completely acceptable.
There is an old writer's saying "The difference between writing Fiction and Non-Fiction is Fiction has to sound believable." This is met to express how real life can sometimes seem unbelievable but also goes to the heart of the problem with SciFi vs SciFa. There is a difference between Fiction and Fantasy which applies to all writing. When people go to the Fantasy section they know they are about to be submerged into a world of magic were the laws a physics and the real world need not apply. Where as someone going to the fiction section knows they are getting a story that is not real but it exist in a world similar to our own where the same rules apply.
However thanks in part to the SciFi and SciFa genres being new when stories involving space and futuristic tech starting coming out they were obviously works of fiction but didn't fit in the existing genres so the new one of SciFi was created. It has stayed pretty much stayed as one in the mindset of pop culture as those outside the genres don't really care and those within often overlap in their interest.
However this unclear divide is often the source of much debate between those who like SciFi and those who like SciFa. They don't agree on what makes good Science Fiction where you have some saying the details of the world matter, others say they don't matter cause it's not real, and so on. A lot of the comments made would the exact same if you heard fans of the Fiction and Fantasy genres arguing if they were all lumped under Fiction but we don't because it's clearly defined they are different and so both sides agree to do their own thing. SciFa fans often reference how they don't like curtain SciFi because it is too technical and not enough action. While SciFi fans often talk about SciFa as being boring action with lots of Space magic.
That is not to say that one group won't like anything in the other group's genre. Most people like stories from multiple genres even though they tend to have a favorite genre. In the case of SciFi vs SciFa though this ends up muddying the waters even more. As even a lot of writers don't know the difference an ultimate fall flat on their face by putting in elements that clearly don't belong. The most famous I think is George Lucus trying to add SciFi into SciFa by explaining what the force was as bacteria. It would be like Tolkin trying to explain with know physics how any of the magical things that existed in his world would work in our world.
The reverse can happen to as SciFa elements get thrown into a SciFi story. In most cases when this happens fans can overlook it if the element is small and not universe altering, they accept it as something slightly out of place but not worthy of further attention. However when these items are major universe altering introductions in a world based on laws and physics like our own the fans are right to demand details on just how exactly this item works. Because they are involved in a Science FICTION story and not a Science FANTASY story.
This is where the ending of ME3 falls flat on it's face as it's jump genres right at the end. It would be like going to a Romantic Comedy and at the end finding it out it was a Horror movie when Jason shows up and kills everyone. The studio and director can claim artistic integrity all they want but when they market the film as Romantic Comedy and then have a gory death for everyone at the end they shouldn't be surprised that people come out of the movie feeling bad and pissed that they were mislead.
EDIT: I think this describes the SciFi vs SciFa pretty well. http://en.wikipedia....Science_fantasy
Modifié par Spyre2001, 06 mai 2012 - 06:01 .
#1513
Posté 07 mai 2012 - 02:25
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Not on the first page? This will never do...
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 04:47
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#1516
Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:53
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Looks like someone wants to start up a letter/postcard campaign.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 06:40
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AH Spyre! BIG texts! XD Lol...I'll read it once I finish moving tomorrow.
The OP needs to be updated in a big way, but don't you fear, folks! I will have THE WHOLE MONTH OF MAY to do so before my actual in-class summer classes start (I'm taking one online now). There is so much going on in the Retake movement right now and I'm failing to keep you apprised! *Slaps self*
There is Operation Letter Tsunami, details in the link PedEgg has so generously provided. Not mentioned there but also a great idea: Send in a POV letter for your Shepard. Someone else is sending in art with their Shepard being happy with her LI at the end. Be creative, and don't hesitate to send multiple letters! Our goal is to have them sent out on the 11th and 12th.
ALSO. Holdtheline just released its FIRST EVER Podcast! This is very exciting, and Mike has done such an awesome job getting it all together in very little time. I absolutely loved listening to it while I was packing and even though it went *slightly* off-topic at times, it's such a pleasure to listen to. Krista (kihten) is such a sweetheart, I *luff* her. She can do whatever she wants. (That joke will be more meaningful once you listen to the podcast. Lol!)
Best part? I'm confirmed for at least two, probably three of the currently scheduled Podcasts, so stay tuned! This Podcast series is gonna go places, folks.
I hope you all are well, and thank you for holding down the fort while I've been so busy!
The OP needs to be updated in a big way, but don't you fear, folks! I will have THE WHOLE MONTH OF MAY to do so before my actual in-class summer classes start (I'm taking one online now). There is so much going on in the Retake movement right now and I'm failing to keep you apprised! *Slaps self*
There is Operation Letter Tsunami, details in the link PedEgg has so generously provided. Not mentioned there but also a great idea: Send in a POV letter for your Shepard. Someone else is sending in art with their Shepard being happy with her LI at the end. Be creative, and don't hesitate to send multiple letters! Our goal is to have them sent out on the 11th and 12th.
ALSO. Holdtheline just released its FIRST EVER Podcast! This is very exciting, and Mike has done such an awesome job getting it all together in very little time. I absolutely loved listening to it while I was packing and even though it went *slightly* off-topic at times, it's such a pleasure to listen to. Krista (kihten) is such a sweetheart, I *luff* her. She can do whatever she wants. (That joke will be more meaningful once you listen to the podcast. Lol!)
Best part? I'm confirmed for at least two, probably three of the currently scheduled Podcasts, so stay tuned! This Podcast series is gonna go places, folks.
I hope you all are well, and thank you for holding down the fort while I've been so busy!
#1518
Posté 08 mai 2012 - 10:32
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Woo! I'll definitely take some time to listen to the Podcasts! Bump!
#1519
Posté 08 mai 2012 - 10:35
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Great job sky and pedegg! Keep the info out there =)
#1521
Posté 10 mai 2012 - 05:15
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Another bump! Trying to think about what to send. Maybe I can draw something. And a letter too.
#1523
Posté 11 mai 2012 - 02:16
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DONE moving...for now. ^-^ Rest assured I will be working furiously to make up for lost time over the past week. It'll feel good to work on stuff again, running around gets tiresome. I hope all is well with everyone!
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Posté 11 mai 2012 - 02:28
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CDRSkyShepard wrote...
DONE moving...for now. ^-^ Rest assured I will be working furiously to make up for lost time over the past week. It'll feel good to work on stuff again, running around gets tiresome. I hope all is well with everyone!
Welcome back!
