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[Johnnycide]

Zhen-Lin wrote...

You must be joking!! "the indoctrination being the most popular"??? We want a good ending, the one with Shepard alive and be able to have a new life and new begginning with his loved ones.

Some of you want a "good" ending, I'm not against it I would actually like that to be an available option for players to choose. Personally I'd be satisfied with an ending along the lines of Bioshock 1 & 2, Red Dead Redemption, or Metal Gear Solid 4. What I really want is an ending that brings closure by answering all the questions I (and I'm sure some other players included) have had for 5 years or less. For example:

Who built the Reapers?

What are the keepers really?

Why did we suddenly decide weapons with unlimited ammo but needed frequent venting was a technological dead end and switch to disposable clips? 

What was the point of Tali's mission to Haestrom?

Also a greater variety of endings would be better, I understand the endings needed to be able to stand alone on ME3, since some people have only played ME3. What I would like to see is separate endings for those who played ME1 and ME2 as well in addition to the ones currently in existence. 

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

The Indoctrination ending is only good if it means something will happen.

If they say, "lol you were indoctrinated, gj that's the real ending" that's...not sufficient.

[Ajwol Semreth]

Rather late to the party, but what's the indoctrination theory?

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

Ajwol Semreth wrote...

Rather late to the party, but what's the indoctrination theory?

That the last ten minutes or so was a halucination brought on by the reapers trying to indoctrinate Shepard, and that only the 'destroy' option was really real.  There's a big thread around somewhere.

[Linus108]

I feel somewhat torn on this. OP you say: they would reward us for figuring out the ending..

Why should the ending be witheld in the first place? If there choice was to end the game vaguely and incoherently, just to release the rest of the end as DLC...

It just seems really cheap.

[Greed1914]

Megachaz wrote...

keginkc wrote...

Dussan2 wrote...

Was there a endgame save like in ME1&2?

Yes, there is. Well, sort of.  New Game Plus save.

There's also something called a "Legend Save" which for me was created (or last updated) some hours before the game's conclusion.  I believe it was created or updated shortly after I arrived on Cronos Station, looking back through my saves.  No idea what that one is for.

I believe it's an autosave that happens right before Cronos.  When the stargazer scene finishes you get transported to a save right before Cronos when you get the "You're a legend for destroying the Reapers (and galactic civilization)!  Buy some DLC!" message.

Yep.  That is it.  Though I love the irony of the debate over whether changing the ending compromises the integrity of the the art, but then it's apparently ok to have the last message from the game say that we should look forward to future DLC. 

[Phydeaux314]

Basically what Gyro said. It's an ad hoc theory, to be sure, but it does fit all the available data and tramples least on what already exists.

[Visserian99]

Ajwol Semreth wrote...

Rather late to the party, but what's the indoctrination theory?

Everything after you get shot at by Harbinger near the end of the game, towards the run to the beam to the Citadel didn't really happen. Instead you were hit, and everything that was happening was the Reapers attempting to indoctrinate you.  Vent Boy/Star Child/Annoying brat's 3 options were the final test of the indoctrination process. Basically synthesis (go down the Saren route), Control (go down the TIM route) or Destroy, with Destroy being the option that frees you from the attempt. The theory is better laid out here. 


 

[ChaosMarky]

Or..

Everything is going according to their plan.. That we were supposed to lose "hope" in the ending and get hurt.. only to be saved by their DLC in the end.. :0

[comrade gando]

I'm sure they expected this kind of reaction from the fans, how couldnt you. I think they have the proper endings on standby in the form of DLC/patch. Question is, why would they do this in the first place? To simulate reaper indoctrination to the player through shepard? To get attention? To prove a point? Idk

Also why photo shop a stock image of some chick and call it tali, I really don't see any logic behind that.

[Rocktel]

The indoctrination is not the most popular version of the alternate endings. And it makes no sense. Some people are just clinging to it because they think it increases their chances of getting a retcon.

[Ajwol Semreth]

 

Visserian99 wrote...

Ajwol Semreth wrote...

Rather late to the party, but what's the indoctrination theory?

Everything after you get shot at by Harbinger near the end of the game, towards the run to the beam to the Citadel didn't really happen. Instead you were hit, and everything that was happening was the Reapers attempting to indoctrinate you.  Vent Boy/Star Child/Annoying brat's 3 options were the final test of the indoctrination process. Basically synthesis (go down the Saren route), Control (go down the TIM route) or Destroy, with Destroy being the option that frees you from the attempt. The theory is better laid out here. 


 

 

Thanks for the info, going to watch the video now?

It's an interesting theory, actually. The only problem with it that I can see is the issue of how the Citadel's arms were opened if everything that happened after the failed charge took place in side Shepard's mind.

Modifié par Ajwol Semreth, 13 mars 2012 - 06:37 .

[t_i_e_]

Take the poll in my sig!!!!

Do you just want DLC? Or an expansion?

[Wattoes]

Asiant wrote...

so after the release, everyone was complaining about the endings, Bioware mainly kept silent, but Mike Gamble kind of hinted at  their plans

then all sorts of speculations regarding the endings came alive, with the indoctrination being the most popular. Then Casey finally tweeted and apparently, he likes the feedback...from the looks of the forums, its nothing but the endings.

I know Im being too optimistic, but what if Bioware wanted us to figure it out all along,as a test alongside with Shepard, then surprise us or congraduate us with the real ending as a reward for figuring the end out.

Thats a terrible idea.  How many people are never going to visit forums or hear about it.  Thats gotta be well over half the playerbase.  They are supposed to be left with a terrible ending.

Plus if this sort of thing comes true, im not gonna be laughing or saying "oh thats clever!".  Im going to say "wow thats stupid, and at the ultimate moment of the series, I stopped caring." 

I planned on destroying the reapers since the first game.  Instead I ran into the green beam because of how ridiculous it sounded and I no longer cared. 

Its not a game or a trick at that point.  It would have been fine if they showed it in a way that left everyone with the impression that its possible he was hallucinating.  Thats not what happened though.

[ChaosMarky]

t_i_e_ wrote...

Take the poll in my sig!!!!

Do you just want DLC? Or an expansion?

I like the sound of an expansion..  Like Awakening for DA:O! I'm willing to pay!! 

[magikbbg]

Who ever said that after mar 15 when world wide distrubution will Be out and the final ending will
Be released is probably right. I said in another post well get some stupid message in the main ui saying "the earth is finally prepared to finish the fight!" and well get some patch to unlock the data and well get to see our ending. Can't imagine I saved that cockroach queen only find out shes gonna help build a death star gun... Back then I hoped she'd come flying in with giant bugs flying in space (Zerg) and help fight.

[Cody211282]

Asiant wrote...
I know Im being too optimistic, but what if Bioware wanted us to figure it out all along,as a test alongside with Shepard, then surprise us or congraduate us with the real ending as a reward for figuring the end out.

Then that's a ****ty thing to do.

Why would you put in an ending to that pisses people off then demand $10 for them to see th real one. If this is true then them saying "The game is complete out of the box without DLC" is bull****.

[balance5050]

Rocktel wrote...

The indoctrination is not the most popular version of the alternate endings. And it makes no sense. Some people are just clinging to it because they think it increases their chances of getting a retcon.

Makes more sense then the endings do 

[balance5050]

Zhen-Lin wrote...

You must be joking!! "the indoctrination being the most popular"??? We want a good ending, the one with Shepard alive and be able to have a new life and new begginning with his loved ones.

The indoctrination theory includes that possiblity.

[Lord Hirudo]

Asiant wrote...

so after the release, everyone was complaining about the endings, Bioware mainly kept silent, but Mike Gamble kind of hinted at  their plans

then all sorts of speculations regarding the endings came alive, with the indoctrination being the most popular. Then Casey finally tweeted and apparently, he likes the feedback...from the looks of the forums, its nothing but the endings.

I know Im being too optimistic, but what if Bioware wanted us to figure it out all along,as a test alongside with Shepard, then surprise us or congraduate us with the real ending as a reward for figuring the end out.

If that's what they're doing, it's an incredibly vile thing to do, and diminishes them as human beings.

[keginkc]

Megachaz wrote...

I believe it's an autosave that happens right before Cronos.  When the stargazer scene finishes you get transported to a save right before Cronos when you get the "You're a legend for destroying the Reapers (and galactic civilization)!  Buy some DLC!" message.

Ahh, okay.  I thought that save took you back to right before London.  I didn't actually leave the Normandy to see where it goes.  That does make sense, because you do get the popup that you mention about being a legend.  And I guess that is the final mission in terms of once you go to cronos the rest of the map is shut down.  So with future DLC you'd have to start at that point and then re-play the final hours of the game.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Asepsis wrote...

Even while I was playing through the first time I couldn't believe that Shepard was even entertaining the idea that she would listen to the reaper AI kid thing. Then all the endings only let us listen to the thing! I can't think of any reason WHY we would trust the reaper Mama. Indoctrination seems like the only thing that makes Shepard's reaction make sense.

Or maybe it was heavy blood loss and the concussion. I dunno.

Agreed.

[revo76]

is anyone tried to play again the game, after finishing and time travelling to Chronos station ? same ending we have ?

[rolson00]

Zhen-Lin wrote...

You must be joking!! "the indoctrination being the most popular"??? We want a good ending, the one with Shepard alive and be able to have a new life and new begginning with his loved ones.

he means that harbringer trying to get shepard under his control while shepard is knocked out, i thoink that if thats the case then your choosen LI in your dream should save you, and if you dont have an LI andererson or vega