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[coldlogic82]

Look, I want it to be true.  I want this indoctrination crap to be true.  Because even though it would be pretty sick, and even though it would be like telling someone their mother died and here's a picture of her decapitated head and then going, haha, just kidding, wasn't that funny?, I would still buy into it.

In fact, buying into the theory is remarkably tempting for other reasons too.  The ending really feels like it was written by someone completely different than the rest of the series.  It sounds like all the writers died in a horrific secret car accident and and they found the intern with the biggest light saber collection to finish it up.  That's the ONLY reason I'd buy into it.

But I don't buy into it because, sadly, this is pretty much textbook classical denial.  People are getting over the initial shock, and the first thing we do when something that matters to us becomes...  whatever it is, we deny it.  I mean, how many of us, after that ending, waited on the edge of our seats to hear it was a big joke?  How many of us thought it had to be something WE did.  We missed a key conversation, forgot to do something incredibly important, didn't read a PDA in a dark corner that gave us what we needed to avoid this horrific ending?

I appreciate the theory, and sadly, the ending is so poorly written, it's got some traction.  But all the foreshadowing in the entire game, many conversations, many hints dropped here and there, show this is the ending that was intended. 

I think it would be healthier for us all to just accept that. 

Will they change the ending?  Probably not, but maybe.  It's not impossible, especially since it looks like it's starting to affect their pockets.  If there really were a different ending, it would have come out when the prices started dropping, post release date sales plummeted, and even their stock value dropped as much as it initially raised.  You really think the stock holders and execs at EA would be okay with losing that kind of money for a super secret Shepard got indoctrinated stunt?  Putting the game world aside, there's just too many things in the real world that say it's not happening.  I'm not saying you can't hold the line if you don't want (hell, I'm never buying another bioware game again), and maybe that'll change their tune.  But you can hold the line and still accept nothing good is coming to the rescue.  Nothing they all ready intended at least. 

[keginkc]

That's basically what I think. We have the endings. There isn't more. We want there to be. Badly.

[Painaid]

Sorry, but I don't think indoctrination can salvage just how horrible the endings were. They just need to be scrapped wholesale and start over.

[WhiteJoker]

Functionally yes, the indoctrination theory, the dream theory, and whatever other theory you can think are that; people trying to cope with the endings they got and force them into a mold which allows them to in some way conclude that what they got was in some way meaningful compared to the rest of the series.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

I agree with you that it wasn't planned.

They could run with the indoctrination thing though and that would be fine.

I also agree nothing will probably happen and I should probably just accept Mass Effect was a failure, a waste of time, and all of my comrades died or were stranded. And move on. I would have just liked something better and until I'm guaranteed nothing it's easy to believe something silly.

Modifié par PKchu, 13 mars 2012 - 05:43 .

[petipas4141]

youre probably right but this is the only way i can tell myself not to trade in my copy

[NoUserNameHere]

The Indoctrination theory caveat that the 'real' ending is on the spoke is denial.

The theory itself is as valid as anything else thought up amidst this lunacy.

[goofyomnivore]

It is denial. I just tell myself Shepard died when he got hit by the beam, Reapers won. The End.

[turian_rage]

All BioWare has to do is go SURPRISE and give us an epilogue. The whole ending thing really feels like a dream sequence anyways, what with a random paradise for the Normandy to conveniently land on to. Shepard needs to wake up and finish what he started: kicking ass.

[Berkilak]

I admit that it's denial. But I also think that BioWare intentionally planned for the player to question the ending, whether or not in occurred in reality.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

That honestly would have been better, a failed struggle. Shepard doing his best and leaving the galaxy to the next cycle to try and take care of the Reapers. If you're going to kill the essence of the series you might as well do something actually bold or compelling.

Best ending right now is letting yourself get shot by TIM.

[GennadiosMxms]

strive wrote...

It is denial. I just tell myself Shepard died when he got hit by the beam, Reapers won. The End.

Don't be so hard on Shep. All those war assets you accrued must have been for something, right? Maybe the Elcor, Volus, and Rachni fleets we were promised came in and saved the day afther shephard's last breath?

[Where my deeds have lead me]

Not really for me. I looked at the evidence and find that it makes a whole lot of sense. I already accepted the endings before I believed in the indoctrination theory.

[The Angry One]

Your avatar is Joker.
You stole my LI.
Your opinion is invalid.

Modifié par The Angry One, 13 mars 2012 - 06:10 .

[zingro]

I'm not in any denial, I just have an open mind and a big imagination. When dealing with any sci-fi story that delves into space and the unknown, anything is possible.

Dream state theory +1

Just read Solaris and your mind will explode.

Yes, best ending was getting shot by TIM. I waited for a paragon option and it never came lol

[SandTrout]

Yeah, it probably is a classic case of denial. The theory holds water though, and it wouldn't exist and have the following it does if the endings weren't so mindbogglingly stupid.

[ApplesauceBandit]

I prefer denial over the piece of crap that was the ending.

[Reaper of Reapers]

Can anyone provide an explanation with in-game evidence to disprove the theory?

[Turtlicious]

If you believe we are wrong, please give us reasons why?

[Kingthlayer]

I don't think I'm in denial of anything. I thought the ending was a dream the second I woke up and picked up a pistol to shoot some husks with. When I didn't have a bloody pistol in the first place.

So for the record, that's BEFORE the ending that everyone hates.

Guess I was in denial of the awful ending before the ending, maybe I'm the next god kid and my mind are preparing me for the ending before I seen it.

[Lambchopz]

Of course it's denial, but it's still a good theory in most people's eyes.

And in any event, whether they intended this to be the case or not, if they do actually follow through with it, how many people would actually be upset? I think more people would be happy about it.

That's assuming they do that though, which they likely won't. Still, no real harm in hoping and trying.

[magikbbg]

Maybe after it's been released all over the world they'll come and say "now the whole earth is united in the fight against the reaper invasion time to finish what we started!" and thy unlock some hidden files through date checking or an update. ! I wish they added an opiton of destroying all of humanity and the rest Civilizations. Like yellow (abandon hope option).

[raeting]

I strongly doubt it was the original plan. Really rare for an out-of-story dialogue box to lie to the player (Shepard is a legend for defeating the Reapers).

That said, of all the explanations I've read, it is the most interesting. If the ending is unchanged I'd likely pick that as my head canon and assume Shepard blew up the reaper fleet after waking up. Which, if that's the ending ME is over for me, so I don't have to worry about someone retconning it, either. XD