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[the red boon]

I've been posting to every indoctrination theory thread telling people that it looks desparate to justify such terrible endings. I'm glad to see there's a threat on it now.

[1490]

the red boon wrote...

I've been posting to every indoctrination theory thread telling people that it looks desparate to justify such terrible endings. I'm glad to see there's a threat on it now.

I still think the writers intended for people to consider it, I just don't think it's "canon."  That's the point of an open-ended story: you interpret whatever you want out of it, and no one ending is definitive.

[Lankist]

I'm not sure how many people are actually taking it that seriously, though I know there are a few. It seems more along the vein of "this is an escape hatch for the writers if they decide that we 'guessed it', wink wink nudge nudge."

[JamesYHT]

i agree, some people think it works because it makes them feel better, some people think it works because they think they are smart....

it won't work in either way:
1.if it's not real...this is a game without ending...
2.if it's real, a lot of things u can not explain....

[Slayer299]

Of course its denial OP, that and out desperate need to grasp at straws for *anything* to explain the horrific endings we got.

[1490]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

1490 wrote...

the red boon wrote...

I've been posting to every indoctrination theory thread telling people that it looks desparate to justify such terrible endings. I'm glad to see there's a threat on it now.

I still think the writers intended for people to consider it, I just don't think it's "canon."  That's the point of an open-ended story: you interpret whatever you want out of it, and no one ending is definitive.

That's the problem though, in my opinion. If the series was going to continue, then so be it. The ending sucks, but Shepard wakes up on Earth and we go on to Mass Effect 4.

This is THE END. I don't want the ending of a trilogy to be left up to my interpretation. That's the ultimate creative cop-out, as far as I'm concerned.

If they do change the ending, it needs to be a DLC, not ME4.  They've stated from the very beginning it would be a trilogy, and that ME3 would be the end to Shepard's story.  Breaking that word and trying to make people buy a whole new game to complete the story would be both greedy and dishonest.

[DadeLeviathan]

Let us go through the stages of grief in peace.

[Liquoid]

The irony is, people who lost the final battle against Harbinger don't buy into the indoctrination theory because it would imply that they got beaten by the game the first time. They're effectively in denial stage in regards to the indoctrination theory.

[shamE12]

You guys really have to think about it, I know I'm not in denial but the indoctrination theory is the only thing that makes any sense of the endings. When you go and look at what people have pointed out it really looks possible for bioware to have planned this whole thing. Risky it may be and it looks like it may have blown up in their face but I think we will start to get some answers within the next days.

[the red boon]

shamE12 wrote...

You guys really have to think about it, I know I'm not in denial but the indoctrination theory is the only thing that makes any sense of the endings. When you go and look at what people have pointed out it really looks possible for bioware to have planned this whole thing. Risky it may be and it looks like it may have blown up in their face but I think we will start to get some answers within the next days.

You know what makes perfect sense that all the endings are almost exactly the same. The game was rushed near the end to get a deadline. They might've had a jar of ideas they were working on but they probably didn't sync well then when the time came they became panicked and went with a catch all ending that could've had some of the older ideas left in it but in the end made no sense.

Modifié par the red boon, 15 mars 2012 - 06:10 .

[Warhawk7137]

Look, I just think that interpretation it makes the most sense, based on what we actually see in the endings. It has nothing to do with what I think BioWare may or may not do in the future. That every time I post something regarding the theory, someone else has to reply by saying "ROFL you're in denial moron!" is getting a bit annoying.

[DukeOfNukes]

Whether it was intentioned or not...I actually kind of hope that BioWare uses it now. Have you wake up and find out that by destroying the Reapers, you destroyed everything in the Sol system...all the fleet you build up, everyone that you brought with you into the system...but you survived onboard the Citadel.

Ok, maybe not THAT idea...but I'm just thinking of an idea that doesn't come off as too sugar coated, without being morose for the sake of being morose. It would give you the chance to feel like your choices had mattered...if in an unexpected way.

[1490]

the red boon wrote...

shamE12 wrote...

You guys really have to think about it, I know I'm not in denial but the indoctrination theory is the only thing that makes any sense of the endings. When you go and look at what people have pointed out it really looks possible for bioware to have planned this whole thing. Risky it may be and it looks like it may have blown up in their face but I think we will start to get some answers within the next days.

You know what makes perfect sense that all the endings are almost exactly the same. The game was rushed near the end to get a deadline. They might've had a jar of ideas they were working on but they probably didn't sync well then when the time came they became panicked and went with a catch all ending that could've had some of the older ideas left in it but in the end made no sense.

I considered that extensively.  That's a very likely proposition, though they would never admit that to the public.

[Doctoglethorpe]

We're the fools because we take the time to examine the ending and look at the facts rather then just accept it for the nightmare it is.

Well, you failed to pass the test. 

Gonna be an awful big "told ya so" moment.  Until then go ahead and wallow in disbelief.  I'm going to happily replay the game now knowing my chocies still matter. 

Its not over yet. 

[Doctoglethorpe]

the red boon wrote...

shamE12 wrote...

You guys really have to think about it, I know I'm not in denial but the indoctrination theory is the only thing that makes any sense of the endings. When you go and look at what people have pointed out it really looks possible for bioware to have planned this whole thing. Risky it may be and it looks like it may have blown up in their face but I think we will start to get some answers within the next days.

You know what makes perfect sense that all the endings are almost exactly the same. The game was rushed near the end to get a deadline. They might've had a jar of ideas they were working on but they probably didn't sync well then when the time came they became panicked and went with a catch all ending that could've had some of the older ideas left in it but in the end made no sense.

You think the ending of a game, especially one like this, is just tacked on at the last minute?  No, its worked on throughout the development process.  In fact its no doubt one of the things they woudl put the most focus on, not the least.  They wouldn't just realize "oh crap its febuary we forgot to do the ending, **** it" thats not how development works in the real world.  When you look at how solid and well crafted the rest of the game is, to take the end at face value would be to witness a sudden knee jerk stop smashing right into a wall where logic gets its brain splatered all over the pavement.  But if you consider it as a dream, a hallucination, you realize how perfectly crafted it feels just like the rest of the game, how perfectly it fits with the recurring nightmares Shepard had.  DDo you not remember those?  You think they we're just for nothing?  That recurring nightmare is one of the most significant parts of the game.

No, everything in the ending, all the holes in logic, all the unrealistic aspects, it all makes sense when you contextualize it as a hallucination.  ALL OF IT.  The trees, the voices, the normandy scene, the star child, the wound, everything.  It all makes perfect sense as a well contructed nightmare trying to trick shepard into giving up.

You guys are giving up by accepting it as reality.  Your failing the test.  Its not real, just open your damn eyes or your going to be indoctrinated.  DON'T DO IT. 

[kankan9000]

Why does the Shepard breathing scene only exist after you choose the red light?

Indoctrination Theory satisfies almost all existing scenes in the game, while those who disagree with IT can barely come up with any solid proof.

[PlumPaul93]

kankan9000 wrote...

Why does the Shepard breathing scene only exist after you choose the red light?

Indoctrination Theory satisfies almost all existing scenes in the game, while those who disagree with IT can barely come up with any solid proof.

[Killer3000ad]

Someone took the blue/green pill.

[beyzend]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

the red boon wrote...

shamE12 wrote...

You guys really have to think about it, I know I'm not in denial but the indoctrination theory is the only thing that makes any sense of the endings. When you go and look at what people have pointed out it really looks possible for bioware to have planned this whole thing. Risky it may be and it looks like it may have blown up in their face but I think we will start to get some answers within the next days.

You know what makes perfect sense that all the endings are almost exactly the same. The game was rushed near the end to get a deadline. They might've had a jar of ideas they were working on but they probably didn't sync well then when the time came they became panicked and went with a catch all ending that could've had some of the older ideas left in it but in the end made no sense.

You think the ending of a game, especially one like this, is just tacked on at the last minute?  No, its worked on throughout the development process.  In fact its no doubt one of the things they woudl put the most focus on, not the least.  They wouldn't just realize "oh crap its febuary we forgot to do the ending, **** it" thats not how development works in the real world.  When you look at how solid and well crafted the rest of the game is, to take the end at face value would be to witness a sudden knee jerk stop smashing right into a wall where logic gets its brain splatered all over the pavement.  But if you consider it as a dream, a hallucination, you realize how perfectly crafted it feels just like the rest of the game, how perfectly it fits with the recurring nightmares Shepard had.  DDo you not remember those?  You think they we're just for nothing?  That recurring nightmare is one of the most significant parts of the game.

No, everything in the ending, all the holes in logic, all the unrealistic aspects, it all makes sense when you contextualize it as a hallucination.  ALL OF IT.  The trees, the voices, the normandy scene, the star child, the wound, everything.  It all makes perfect sense as a well contructed nightmare trying to trick shepard into giving up.

You guys are giving up by accepting it as reality.  Your failing the test.  Its not real, just open your damn eyes or your going to be indoctrinated.  DON'T DO IT. 

I know. LOL.

[CerealWar]

BW said ME3 was the end of Shepard's story. No one said it was the end of the reaper war, or that Shepard had to actually end the reaper war. Still, the stargazer/old man promised us one last story. If that last story only involves Shep taking back Omega or test driving the hammerhead 2.0, I'll be sad.

[Cadence of the Planes]

Liquoid wrote...

The irony is, people who lost the final battle against Harbinger don't buy into the indoctrination theory because it would imply that they got beaten by the game the first time. They're effectively in denial stage in regards to the indoctrination theory.

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