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[seph22]

TheKingofRedLions wrote...

Oh hey, another person who calls out a group of people with valid concerns, doesn't attempt to refute those concerns at all, and then - wait for it - is confused.

If you like the ending - good for you. I'm glad someone does.

Don't insult me because you refuse to acknowledge the elephant in the room.

I would love to see these hidden insults, no one is insulting people who disliked the game, i was just voicing my opinion with many others HERE that the ending was good that's all and the fact that i hope they don't change it

[SandTrout]

It was a blatant Deus/Diabolus Ex Machina that broke from the established major themes to give a set of choices unrelated to and previous foreshadowing, are all unnecessarily destructive, almost literally destroyed the universe, provides no closure, introduces numerous plot-holes, and breaks from the relatively 'grounded' ME mythos in exchange for existential space-magic.

Add to this that the accusation that this rage started before we even played the game is completely false, especially since I had been on hiatus from the forums for months before getting the game, and only returned to anywhere except for the Technical Support forum after I finished the game.

It is interesting how those attacking us must lie and insult us.

[mebtru]

1.- Where does that God Kid comes from, we don't get any clue about it
.
2.- The God Kid created synthetic life to ERADICATE advanced civilization so they don't create synthetic life that will eradicate advanced civilizations?!?!?!?

3.-Why Shepard didn't argue. After all the time fighting against the reapers, to preserve everything he knows, just because some "thing" tells him three solutions, so there is no other choice?, didn't the geth and the quarians are working together, or if you didnt saved the Geth, you still will know they didnt attack the quarias until they attacked them (and that behavior was maintained after the reaper upgrade), also EDI....

4.-Why all the Mass Effect relays are destroyed, the Mass relays are the Essence of the Mass effect universe, they are the reason every specie advanced so fast, and no one knows how they really works, how to build one, (even the proteans where able to build one) without them all the civilizations are limited to their plannet. So in the end all the people in the earth will die, or how the devastated earth will support multiple races, wihtout the ability to move out?

5.-Why Joker is running away, and after that why some of the people who was in my squad in the last fight, exit the Normandy unharmed?

6.-Why all the ending are the same just with different colors?

7.-And the most important thing, why everything you did on ME 1,2 wont matter in the end, why we get the same ending no matter if we have 8000 war assets or the minimum, why we didn't get the big final battle where everything you did or you didn't counts?

And there are a lot more inconsitencies with the endings.

[blindchaos]

Speaking as someone who really was disappointed by the endings, I don't want them changed. While I don't like them, and feel that they were were surprisingly lackluster, I just don't think we as consumers should demand changes to cannon.

Picking on the novel that had all the errors is one thing, not liking the endings and losing faith in Bioware, or posting how much you hate them is all fine to me. There is nothing wrong with hating or liking these endings. However, like it or not it exists.

I don't think Video Games stories, or really any stories should be written just to appease the consumer. Then we just get the same stories and formulas used over and over again...justified because it's what the people want.  Some might say that's not a bad thing, after all we are paying money for a game, why should we be forced to experience somehting that we find unpleasant?  Honestly, I think flaws can lead to creative innovations,  I would rather let the creators know I don't care for the endings, and see how they adapt the narative in their later installments, then to demand they drop everything they are doing, and create a happy or more mundane ending.

I'm not saying the endings are good, or that they are undeserving of criticism. However, I think one can hate the endings, complain and make worthwhile posts indicating plot holes and other issues, and ask for a DLC to address those problems. Problems should be worked around, narrative weaknesses should be addressed and recognized not just hastily undone and replaced with a quick fix.

This is just my opinion, and I don't claim that others are wrong to have and voice outrage at the direction the ending took. However, I just don't think gamers should be too quick to demand editorial power over their game's narrative.

Modifié par blindchaos, 13 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[Leafs43]

Anyone who thinks they are "epic" only beat them 5 minutes previous to posting and hasn't let the logic sink in yet to how horrible they actually were.

[kojomon]

mebtru wrote...

2.- The God Kid created synthetic life to ERADICATE advanced civilization so they don't create synthetic life that will eradicate advanced civilizations?!?!?!?

And since synthetic life will apparently always turn on their creators, the synthetics created to eradicate civilization will eventually rebel and...wait what would they do then?

[seph22]

mebtru wrote...

1.- Where does that God Kid comes from, we don't get any clue about it
.
2.- The God Kid created synthetic life to ERADICATE advanced civilization so they don't create synthetic life that will eradicate advanced civilizations?!?!?!?

3.-Why Shepard didn't argue. After all the time fighting against the reapers, to preserve everything he knows, just because some "thing" tells him three solutions, so there is no other choice?, didn't the geth and the quarians are working together, or if you didnt saved the Geth, you still will know they didnt attack the quarias until they attacked them (and that behavior was maintained after the reaper upgrade), also EDI....

4.-Why all the Mass Effect relays are destroyed, the Mass relays are the Essence of the Mass effect universe, they are the reason every specie advanced so fast, and no one knows how they really works, how to build one, (even the proteans where able to build one) without them all the civilizations are limited to their plannet. So in the end all the people in the earth will die, or how the devastated earth will support multiple races, wihtout the ability to move out?

5.-Why Joker is running away, and after that why some of the people who was in my squad in the last fight, exit the Normandy unharmed?

6.-Why all the ending are the same just with different colors?

7.-And the most important thing, why everything you did on ME 1,2 wont matter in the end, why we get the same ending no matter if we have 8000 war assets or the minimum, why we didn't get the big final battle where everything you did or you didn't counts?

And there are a lot more inconsitencies with the endings.

1-No one said he was god........

2-What you call "god" reset advanced civilizations and not wipe them all, they keep organic life at their place (not too advance where they can go wrong and wipe Everything) different is killing everything vs killing whats needed only and sparing the rest

3-He was already bleeding/dying and there was no other options for him, he is stuck he either pick something or die, even shepard got a limit

4-does not matter the "god" said he need to find new solution

5-will look up at that after my second playthrough

6-not the same pay attention.

7-it matters for saving the earth, not enough points earth = burned

[blindchaos]

Leafs43 wrote...

Anyone who thinks they are "epic" only beat them 5 minutes previous to posting and hasn't let the logic sink in yet to how horrible they actually were.

Isn't there a middle ground?  Yes the ending is stupid, yes god kid is random as hell.  However, people have different oppinions, just because the ending is full of holes does not preclude them from being solved in a more organic way, then just pretending the whole thing never happened.

[saturos2]

kojomon wrote...

mebtru wrote...

2.- The God Kid created synthetic life to ERADICATE advanced civilization so they don't create synthetic life that will eradicate advanced civilizations?!?!?!?

And since synthetic life will apparently always turn on their creators, the synthetics created to eradicate civilization will eventually rebel and...wait what would they do then?

kill the citadel lol

[aDuck]

AdrynBliss wrote...

yeah..no.
People seems to be under the misconception that the relays blew even if you chose red, and the sol relay going up destroyed earth.
If that happend and every thing in the sol system was wiped out then why is shep still alive?
The fact is the relays did not blow, the red lines on the galaxy map was just showing the energy spreading through the relays, not blowing them up. undeniable evidence being sheps still alive.
Earth is in one peice, the normandy can be found with its distress beacon and last known location and shep is alive. It is actually a happy ending.
The ****ing about the ending comes from people not able to see the obvious. faith in humanity -1
Though personally I am holding on to the believe that there's some loop hole that means edi and the geth suvived.

Uhh...

2:03

Yes, the relays blow up.  Thus invalidating all points.  Also means that the geth die, mainly because the kid says it in the first minute of the video...
Probably should watch the ending again a little more carefully before posting

[The JoeMan]

Am I the only one that giggles a little everytime someone says "happy ending"?

[seph22]

blindchaos wrote...

Speaking as someone who really was disappointed by the endings, I don't want them changed. While I don't like them, and feel that they were were surprisingly lackluster, I just don't think we as consumers should demand changes to cannon.

Picking on the novel that had all the errors is one thing, not liking the endings and losing faith in Bioware, or posting how much you hate them is all fine to me. There is nothing wrong with hating or liking these endings. However, like it or not it exists.

I don't think Video Games stories, or really any stories should be written just to appease the consumer. Then we just get the same stories and formulas used over and over again...justified because it's what the people want.  Some might say that's not a bad thing, after all we are paying money for a game, why should we be forced to experience somehting that we find unpleasant?  Honestly, I think flaws can lead to creative innovations,  I would rather let the creators know I don't care for the endings, and see how they adapt the narative in their later installments, then to demand they drop everything they are doing, and create a happy or more mundane ending.

I'm not saying the endings are good, or that they are undeserving of criticism. However, I think one can hate the endings, complain and make worthwhile posts indicating plot holes and other issues, and ask for a DLC to address those problems. Problems should be worked around, narrative weaknesses should be addressed and recognized not just hastily undone and replaced with a quick fix.

This is just my opinion, and I don't claim that others are wrong to have and voice outrage at the direction the ending took. However, I just don't think gamers should be too quick to demand editorial power over their game's narrative.

Thank you sir,that what i was trying to say great minds think alike

Modifié par seph22, 13 mars 2012 - 07:24 .

[Leafs43]

blindchaos wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

Anyone who thinks they are "epic" only beat them 5 minutes previous to posting and hasn't let the logic sink in yet to how horrible they actually were.

Isn't there a middle ground?  Yes the ending is stupid, yes god kid is random as hell.  However, people have different oppinions, just because the ending is full of holes does not preclude them from being solved in a more organic way, then just pretending the whole thing never happened.

Not really because the endings are filled with so many illogical plot holes that no matter how you try and put them into context don't make sense which leaves no room for middle ground.


For example, take Liara and Garrus on your final mission.  They magically appear on the Normandy.

Modifié par Leafs43, 13 mars 2012 - 07:26 .

[Caz Neerg]

I only have one thing left to say to those attacking the perfectly reasonable request for additional ending content:

I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions.

[saturos2]

seph22 wrote...

mebtru wrote...

1.- Where does that God Kid comes from, we don't get any clue about it
.
2.- The God Kid created synthetic life to ERADICATE advanced civilization so they don't create synthetic life that will eradicate advanced civilizations?!?!?!?

3.-Why Shepard didn't argue. After all the time fighting against the reapers, to preserve everything he knows, just because some "thing" tells him three solutions, so there is no other choice?, didn't the geth and the quarians are working together, or if you didnt saved the Geth, you still will know they didnt attack the quarias until they attacked them (and that behavior was maintained after the reaper upgrade), also EDI....

4.-Why all the Mass Effect relays are destroyed, the Mass relays are the Essence of the Mass effect universe, they are the reason every specie advanced so fast, and no one knows how they really works, how to build one, (even the proteans where able to build one) without them all the civilizations are limited to their plannet. So in the end all the people in the earth will die, or how the devastated earth will support multiple races, wihtout the ability to move out?

5.-Why Joker is running away, and after that why some of the people who was in my squad in the last fight, exit the Normandy unharmed?

6.-Why all the ending are the same just with different colors?

7.-And the most important thing, why everything you did on ME 1,2 wont matter in the end, why we get the same ending no matter if we have 8000 war assets or the minimum, why we didn't get the big final battle where everything you did or you didn't counts?

And there are a lot more inconsitencies with the endings.

1-No one said he was god........

2-What you call "god" reset advanced civilizations and not wipe them all, they keep organic life at their place (not too advance where they can go wrong and wipe Everything) different is killing everything vs killing whats needed only and sparing the rest

3-He was already bleeding/dying and there was no other options for him, he is stuck he either pick something or die, even shepard got a limit

4-does not matter the "god" said he need to find new solution

5-will look up at that after my second playthrough

6-not the same pay attention.

7-it matters for saving the earth, not enough points earth = burned

1- it sue does act like one by deciding the fate of coutless live over eons
2-its a paradox that ruins the reapers.
3-hell, i'd even argue with that thing if i was dying and then destroy it.
4-that doesnt mean that the new soultion solves anything, if anything they all just mask the problems.
5-there is no explanation for it, i looked.
6- they are all the same in essance, only in 2 the reapers fly away.
7-woopty doo, no matter what i did in ME 1 or 2 i get a color swap ending where earth can either burn or not.

Modifié par saturos2, 13 mars 2012 - 07:31 .

[ramdog7]

seph22 wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

seph22 wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

No, the endings are awful and both a logical and emotional disconnect from the rest of the trilogy.

Nevermind the fact that they invalidate EVERY SINGLE CHOICE made across all three games.

War assets want to talk with you, if you did everything wrong in ME1/ME2 you wont get enough support and the earth will be burned, what you did in me1/me2 matters you saved the earth

Unsurprisingly, you miss my point.

How does curing the Genophage or saving Wrex matter after the endings?

Answer: it doesn't. In the best ending, Wrex is still stranded on Earth, seperated from his people, who are very likely to continue with their foolish was absent his leadership.

I could go on, but I imagine you would simplt miss the point agian.

They can expand upon that in DLC which is hinted at after you finish the game where that data box pops, my problem is with people who want to change the ending and want to force another ending that the writers didn't want to write.

Plus knowning that wrex is stuck at earth is not the end of the world, his people will move on and carry on, having babies etc knowning their planet was "fixed" is good enough, unless you want a cheesy 5second camera span at wrex planet where kids are running with laughs then moving to another area and so

Point was to focus at shepard struggle and sacrfice the most (which i got from the ending) the mass effect universe is not over, shepard trilogy is (unless a DLC is coming)

1. The relys were destory it would take years for Wrex to reach tuchanka
2. Eva said that if Wrex wasnt the leader all the clans would be fighting over females,territory and would go to war with the Turians and the Salarians.
3. Its not about Happy ending its about and ending that makes sense
4. respond back to all the argument not just some unless you dont have the balls to man up to your Topic bro

[aDuck]

seph22 wrote...
7-it matters for saving the earth, not enough points earth = burned

Hopefully I can say this enough times to be heard...

*AHEM*
The mass relays get blown up when the crucible is activated , thus destroying the Sol system.  Earth is destroyed no matter what.

2:03
This link again

Modifié par aDuck, 13 mars 2012 - 07:44 .

[saturos2]

ramdog7 wrote...

seph22 wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

seph22 wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

No, the endings are awful and both a logical and emotional disconnect from the rest of the trilogy.

Nevermind the fact that they invalidate EVERY SINGLE CHOICE made across all three games.

War assets want to talk with you, if you did everything wrong in ME1/ME2 you wont get enough support and the earth will be burned, what you did in me1/me2 matters you saved the earth

Unsurprisingly, you miss my point.

How does curing the Genophage or saving Wrex matter after the endings?

Answer: it doesn't. In the best ending, Wrex is still stranded on Earth, seperated from his people, who are very likely to continue with their foolish was absent his leadership.

I could go on, but I imagine you would simplt miss the point agian.

They can expand upon that in DLC which is hinted at after you finish the game where that data box pops, my problem is with people who want to change the ending and want to force another ending that the writers didn't want to write.

Plus knowning that wrex is stuck at earth is not the end of the world, his people will move on and carry on, having babies etc knowning their planet was "fixed" is good enough, unless you want a cheesy 5second camera span at wrex planet where kids are running with laughs then moving to another area and so

Point was to focus at shepard struggle and sacrfice the most (which i got from the ending) the mass effect universe is not over, shepard trilogy is (unless a DLC is coming)

3. Its not about Happy ending its about and ending that makes sense

[balance5050]

The Angry One wrote...

Why are you so happy with the fact that Shepard became Saren?

Did you like Saren? Did you think he was right? If you did, fair enough. But I'm curious.

I'm sure some peeps liked becoming the illusive man as well, gotta love the indoctrinated.

[blindchaos]

Caz Neerg wrote...

I only have one thing left to say to those attacking the perfectly reasonable request for additional ending content:

I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions.

LOL,

I want to appologize if I see like I am attacking the request, as I am not actually arguing against additional content, I think post ending DLC will be absolutly vital, and would love to see one where I can reunite with my crew.  I just don't want a DLC that is litteraly a replacement ending, meaning an extra choice, to undo all others.  I would prefer a mission or some actual content that would adress the plot holes rather then ignorign them as if they never happened.

[ramdog7]

seph22 wrote...

blindchaos wrote...

Speaking as someone who really was disappointed by the endings, I don't want them changed. While I don't like them, and feel that they were were surprisingly lackluster, I just don't think we as consumers should demand changes to cannon.

Picking on the novel that had all the errors is one thing, not liking the endings and losing faith in Bioware, or posting how much you hate them is all fine to me. There is nothing wrong with hating or liking these endings. However, like it or not it exists.

I don't think Video Games stories, or really any stories should be written just to appease the consumer. Then we just get the same stories and formulas used over and over again...justified because it's what the people want.  Some might say that's not a bad thing, after all we are paying money for a game, why should we be forced to experience somehting that we find unpleasant?  Honestly, I think flaws can lead to creative innovations,  I would rather let the creators know I don't care for the endings, and see how they adapt the narative in their later installments, then to demand they drop everything they are doing, and create a happy or more mundane ending.

I'm not saying the endings are good, or that they are undeserving of criticism. However, I think one can hate the endings, complain and make worthwhile posts indicating plot holes and other issues, and ask for a DLC to address those problems. Problems should be worked around, narrative weaknesses should be addressed and recognized not just hastily undone and replaced with a quick fix.

This is just my opinion, and I don't claim that others are wrong to have and voice outrage at the direction the ending took. However, I just don't think gamers should be too quick to demand editorial power over their game's narrative.

Thank you sir,that what i was trying to say great minds think alike

The diffrence between a book and Mass Effect is that we decide ,by our choices, how the story ends.
we invested countless hours of playthrough to see how our choice shape the story after all, bioware told us so.

[t_i_e_]

This thread totally ties in to my poll right now!

TAKE MY POLL:
social.bioware.com/112421/polls/29412/

God I love screaming that. lol

Sounds like you guys might be for the 'Don't bother' vote of my poll.

Modifié par t_i_e_, 13 mars 2012 - 07:33 .

[DaneWolf]

What I was dissopointed of is that the ending left me with more questions than answers!!! I don't wnat questions when finishing an AWESOME trilogy!!! I want the answers!!! But hey! Who knows?? Maybe they are comming? After all... Bioware would not throw this epic saga out the window and say... THIS is the end. It's an end of an Era in ME... Yes... But not the end of the universe.

[s.nebulous]

So an artist/writer cannot add new contend after reviewing player feedback? Then think of it like Mass Effect 3 the director’s cut. I have not beaten the game yet, so I cannot give an honest opinion of the endings. I just find it interesting that some people believe Bioware ought to draw a line in the sand.

[The_Former]

I want an actual ending! I paid for Mass Effect 3, the epic conclusion to the Mass Effect trilogy; not a cliff hanger screaming "BUY OUR DLC TO GET THE REAL ENDING!" which is just a greedy move on Bioware's part. Still going to boycotte Bioware and EA unless it's a free DLC. Bioware made a deal with the devil and it's time for them to pay their dues.

Also Seph you're indoctrinated.

Modifié par The_Former, 13 mars 2012 - 07:35 .